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    Dear Tee,

    Even if you are referring to the hurt that predates the relationship, she said it herself that the hurt that made her prostitute herself was my parents’ opinion and the break up itself. Cause there were other situations where she could have prostituted herself but she didn’t because she knows it is wrong and she was not hurting in those periods. Such as when her own manager wanted her to sleep with him to save her job, she refused to do it because she was emotionally healthy then and she knew it was wrong.

    In the end, all the hurt that she has endured all her life factored into her decision to prostitute herself but it was our break up and what my parents said that put her in a weak, mentally unstable position where she could not think straight nor form proper decisions. That is how I understand it. Cause she could have prostituted herself in other situations but she didn’t.

    She said that I ruined her self-esteem, and that is why she wants validation from me. She specifically said that. Despite how many times I clarified the situation, it still offends her because she is too blinded by the emotion to understand my clarification.

    You are right about everything else that you said about her. But how do I fix that? Even therapy doesn’t gurantee 100% chance at fixing that kind of behavior, not to mention how expensive it would be by the time she is healed.

    She also told me when she confessed her cheating that most of the fights that she caused last year were excuses to leave me cause of her internal conflict so that she doesn’t have to deal with the guilt of proving my parents right. But the fact that she still loves me makes her want to get back together with me, and my dumbass self keeps forgiving her too.

    Even if only she can help herself, wasn’t there anything I could have done to help her in the process of healing?

    I just thought that if she was craving attention from men, then having all my attention would be good enough. If she wanted the feeling of being loved and cared for, I thought I could provide that feeling. I thought I could make her feel worthy and validated, but I was not aware that she was still holding on to things that I had already explained and corrected.

    I know that calling her names added fuel to the fire, but I didn’t expect educating her to behave properly would also act as fuel.

    “You don’t understand her, Paradoxy. She is not stupid or foolish.” I already stated that I said stupid because I could not think of any other term to describe her behavior. I am not saying that she is actually stupid. And I said I understand her because I am able to accurately describe how she is feeling. There are countless arguments where she told me that I don’t understand her, and then I proceed to describe exactly how she is feeling, to which she admits that my description is correct. So do I still not understand her? I was already aware of a degree of the internal conflict because she already told me that she was looking for excuses to leave me but also wanted to be with me. I was just naive enough to believe I could be the solution to her internal conflict.

    I think I am actually insane because insanity is when you do the same thing and expect a different outcome, and by going through this same cycle a 100 times, maybe I have gone insane in the end.

    I told her at the very beginning of our relationship how clingy I am and how attached I become to the person I love the most. I guess it came back to bite me in the ass. Should have seen the red flags when she was dry and cold and behaving weird in the first couple days of our relationship. Everyone told me not to date her when I showed them what she was doing but my stupid self continued to love her.

    We just had another two day argument yesterday where she made false accusations again regarding the same things we have already discussed and it hit my ego cause of how she is incorrectly describing what happened. Eventually I corrected her but it was still another 2 day argument that still drained me. I wish I could just block her or something but she still has my belongings such as laptop, mouse and a lot of money which she cannot return as she is not financially stable right now and her work requires her to have my laptop as she cannot afford her own. I really hoped that she would be the person I would end up marrying. Now all the dreams I had with her are crushed.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
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    Dear Anita,

    Where did you see me indicating that I love to hate her? If she was as perfect as can be, there would not be any hate to direct in the first place.

    Paradoxy.

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    Ok Tee, you may be right, maybe it is due to her external conditioning, I just categorize all of it as stupidity cause I couldn’t think of any other term to describe it at the time.

    “B is not stupid, she is hurting in some way.” She said that she was hurt by the break up, she was hurt by my parents’ views on the women today due to the horrible experiences they have come across. But that was just a misunderstanding, because they are not saying that she is a gold digger and etc, they are saying that she COULD be and I asked her if she had any ulterior motives to dating me since there were some signs that were a little similar to a gold digger like when she told me she and her friend were planning to date a med student since they make a lot of money and I am coincidentally a med student. Besides, her own aunt is a gold digger because she married multiple men for their wealth, status etc so what is going to stop B from becoming a gold digger especially since her aunt heavily influences her? So would being hurt by what my parents said be considered a valid reason to prostitute herself?

    ” If my assumption is correct, she didn’t go to prostitute herself because she was stupid, but (bizarre as it may sound) because she wanted to feel loved, to feel good about herself.” That is precisely correct. She said she felt more loved by other men than with me cause of the stereotype my parents had of women in general in the modern world. I just call it stupid because how can I pour out so much love but she is still too blind to see the difference between the love I poured into her and the love other man poured into her. I said it was stupid cause how can she ignore my pure love for her but love the fake love that other men had for her. Even as someone who has being studying psychology for years, it is still hard for me to wrap my mind around her ungratefulness.

    “She told you she wasn’t thinking, and you believed her, but the more likely explanation is that she actually liked these guys’ attention, because she herself admitted that she felt good being with men who desired her.” That is difficult to tell because these men are like 60 or 70 years old, even her guy friend is married and close to his death (I think he has pancreatic cancer but I don’t remember exactly). But maybe you are right, maybe she has the subconscious desire for men’s attention that even she is not aware of. I just thought my love could fix those issues, those flaws in her.

    “That’s why I would like to suggest to you to re-evaluate your stance that she is stupid and oblivious. And start thinking of her as someone hurting inside. Someone with unmet emotional needs. Perhaps even someone like you, even though she is displaying a very different behavior than you.” Fine, I could start seeing her like that. And then what? How do I fix it? How do I correct this subconscious desire in her? I thought I could fix it if I loved her right, but that didn’t work. I thought that my desire for her would have enough effect on her to not appreciate other men’s desire for her.  Would a therapist help? She doesn’t have that kind of money right now so that will have to wait.

    “You said you loved her and tried to help her heal (I am the only person who took on the role of helping her heal). But telling her that she is stupid, dumb, brick wall etc isn’t love and isn’t conducive to healing.” Helping her heal and calling her stupid and dumb happened in totally different situations. Like I told Anita, I only entered the verbally abusive phase after fighting for HOURS, or DAYS, or WEEKS, nonstop to the point that I feel helpless and energy drained. I am able to accurately describe how she feels and she knows that I am the only person who understands her so well, but that doesn’t mean I do not have a limit to how much foolishness I can tolerate. I am the one who keeps trying to simplify her argument so that she does not misunderstand easily. I am the one who breaks down the situations into bullet points so that she understands where she went wrong. I am the one who showed her how a real boyfriend should treat her. I respected her throughout most of the relationship until those severe moments when I ran out of patience for her bs. Like I am human. I have a limit to how much foolishness/stubbornness I can take. I have a limit to my patience. I cannot be calm 24/7 when she gives me the stupidest excuses of her behavior. Like come on, how can you expect me to not get angry when she sleeps with another man and then blames me for it? It is so draining to have an argument with her cause of how stubborn she is. It is very unfair that I get judged for the times that I was verbally abusive when it is very obvious how wrong her behavior is. But I will still consider what you have said, but I think I need to cut ties with her cause she comes back telling me how hurt she is and etc that I am detaching when it is so obvious that I am detaching cause of the numerous amount of times that she has hurt me.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    So basically, you are saying that I am indeed verbally abusive. But I want to understand, is it still verbally abusive if the things that are said are actually true? And it is not like she felt any remorse over her decisions/actions. Would calling her a brick wall be considered verbally abusive, when she is actually behaving like a brick wall by not listening to me or give me a chance to explain myself or by not keeping an open mind when I try to correct her misunderstanding? Even you probably thought of me as a brick wall when I appeared to be too stubborn to listen to your advice even though I was listening to your advice.

    Keep in mind that the only time I crossed the line with my namecalling was recently when she pissed me off worse than ever before, but the usual namecalling were minor terms such as stupid or brick wall etc, each used in situations where they accurately describe her behavior. Even if it sounds like an insult, the purpose of the use of those terms were to describe her behavior, except recently when I crossed the line with the namecalling.

    “I wanted to ask you a long time ago, but didn’t: since you met B, if you add all the time you and her were together vs apart, were you apart longer than you were together?” No we were together longer than we were apart. Because every time we broke up, I just chose to forgive her when she apologized.

    “Also, who initiated a breakup every time a breakup took place? In the early part of our relationship, the break ups started with her, when she broke up over reasons such as having feelings for another man or the age difference being an issue or other people’s opinions regarding our relationship or other false accusations/misunderstandings such as me not responding to her calls due to me being asleep etc. I started initiating break ups in more severe cases like finding out that she spent time naked in a towel with another man (her ex which I was unaware of at the time), when she was disrespecting my parents, when she was too stubborn to listen to me when I tried to correct her misunderstandings etc (she was draining too much energy from me when I try to correct her). I have caused fights three times, which I am willing to take responsibility for due to my rash decisions and my own forgetfulness even though the situation only became an issue as a result of her misunderstanding. I have already told you about what happened in those three fights where I was the problem. But all the other fights started with her, but she says that she started the arguments cause of the way I made her feel. An example would be when she believed that my parents were calling her a gold digger and manipulator, which offended her, but in reality I was just telling her about the experiences they had with women from this side of the world. The annoying thing is that it was already explained, clarified to the point where she already apologized for her misunderstanding, but every time we have a fight, she goes right back to her assumptions proving that she never accepted any of the explanations I had for her misunderstandings. Another example would be when she got offended by me when I could not give 15 minutes of my time for her cause I was preparing for exams, which made her feel neglected and unwanted, but I had already told her that if it was something that was planned, I could have changed my schedule to give her my attention cause I can’t just immediately change up my plans just for her because dealing with Med is a pain, and despite the fact that I tried to resolve the issue, she crossed the line when she said I would rather be with my gamer friends than with her, which rubbed me wrong and I initiated the break up then, but she reinforced my decision to break up with her by doing all the extra things which I informed you about already.

    “When you called her names, how did she react?” She was obviously hurt, but every time I called her names, they were terms such as brick wall or stupid or dumb, which are normal terms used to describe an individual’s behavior. If she called me those terms, I wouldn’t mind at all if she was telling the truth about my decisions/actions being stupid and etc. I always speak the truth, even if it is the harsh truth. I’ve been working on decreasing my verbal abusiveness and it was considerably reduced until she crossed the line in our arguments. Even in the fight where I called her a whore and etc, I only called her those names because she called me a moron first and when I asked her to prove that I am a moron, she couldn’t but I had proof that she was a whore because she was paid to sleep with that man in January.

    “You didn’t mention that she called you names.” Well she used to call me “a piece of sh*t” but she stopped calling me that when I told her not to use that name since there was no evidence of me behaving like a “piece of sh*t”. But recently she called me a moron in one of our arguments but when I asked her to prove that I am a moron, she couldn’t do that either. I mean I understand that she is just angry but at least let the anger by justified. At least be fair in your anger bruh. At least be angry with me if I deserved it. If I honestly did something wrong, I would gladly accept my mistake and apologize for it. But all she does is make these false accusations and when I ask her to prove it, she doesn’t have any evidence. Like how is that even fair to me? Whenever I am angry with her, I always pointed out exactly and precisely what bothered me and why what she did was wrong. But in her case, she is just angry cause of her OWN MISUNDERSTANDING. HOW IS THAT FAIR BRUH? How is it fair for her to be angry over her OWN misunderstanding and she doesn’t even let me correct the misunderstanding. Why should I put up with that???? I am more than willing to take responsibility for my mistake but at least be fair when judging me.

    “If you got into a relationship with any of the “worse than B” women, what would you call them..?” Trust me when I say this, if I were to date the women who were actually worse than B, there wouldn’t even be time for namecalling. That relationship would have ended instantly. But even if there is time for namecalling, I would be fair. If they cheated on me, I would call them a cheater or a whore or something of that level. If they did something incredibly stupid like wasting a thousand dollars, obviously I would call them out for their actions and say they were stupid for wasting the money. I used to say that I was in love with B despite her flaws, but now the flaws are like porcupine spines piercing me every time I try to hug her.

    “The answer: yes, you verbally abused B, and repeatedly. Fine, you are right, my verbal abusiveness was harsh, but how else did you expect me to react when you are trying to explain the same point for DAYS or even WEEKS and she just REFUSES to listen. I do not INSTANTLY go straight to being verbally abusive. I go there after HOURS or DAYS or WEEKS of CONTINUOUS ARGUING over the SAME STUPID ISSUE and I reach that point of being verbally abusive when I RUN OUT OF PATIENCE. She is the only person that I wanted to correct. The only person I wanted to understand. I don’t care about anyone else, my parents, family, friend etc. SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HER MISTAKES SO SHE CAN CORRECT THEM BECAUSE I WANTED TO LOVE HER WITHOUT HER CAUSING ME MORE PAIN. Honestly Anita, how do you expect me to react when she sleeps with another man and then blames me for it? Like how? How would YOU react if your OWN PARTNER slept with another woman and then BLAMES YOU for it, saying that it is YOUR FAULT for making them feel abandoned, YOUR FAULT for making them sleep with another woman? Maybe you would have handled the situation better than me, but please understand the amount of anger that I was feeling in this situation and other similar situations. All I have been doing is pouring out love to her. The only wrong thing I did was my verbal abusiveness which ONLY OCCURS WHEN WE ARE FIGHTING FOR HOURS OR DAYS OR WEEKS NON STOP. Some people just forget all the good things that someone has done when they do something bad one time.

    “If a spouse is unfaithful, the Bible teaches that they can ask God for forgiveness, and He will forgive them“- not that B is a spouse, but nonetheless, she can ask God to forgive her. She already indicates that she regrets her actions and I am sure God has forgiven her, and I have forgiven her too, but how can I forget the things she did, knowing that it was her own decision and not 100% forced decision. I want to forgive Anita, I want to fix this. I want to pour out my love to her again. I don’t like calling her names. I wish I didn’t get as angry as I did but it is so difficult when she keeps testing my patience. If the situation was actually my fault, I would gladly accept it. So why is it so difficult for her to take full responsibility for her mistakes? She claims to take responsibility for her mistakes only to try to justify her mistakes the next day. Just like what Tee said, how can I continue to date a 5 year old who is incapable of making proper decisions,  living in a 22 year old girl’s body?

    I repeat, I know that I am verbally abusive and I regret my actions but I only entered that state due to the helplessness I feel when she is too stubborn to be deal with, when she refuses to listen to me or even give me a chance to correct her. I just feel so helpless when I am forced to just shut up and listen to her false accusations when she doesn’t even have proof of these accusations other than her own misunderstandings. Please understand the anger I felt in that moment, which caused me to be verbally abusive.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Roberta,

    There are libraries here and etc but I don’t think I will have any luck there. Besides I need to heal from my last relationship and focus on my priorities which is med right now.

    As for B’s case, I am just naive enough to believe that people can change, naive enough to hold on to hope that doesn’t even exist. I was never given a chance when I desperately wanted one, and I don’t want anyone else to go through that. I know I gave B a lot of chances already, but even the Bible indicates that I should forgive an infinite number of times. However, I guess even the Bible doesn’t want me to be taken advantage of.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    Yea you are right that I should not be dating someone who behaves like she is 5, I just believed that she is only behaving like a 5 year old because no one guided her properly and so I thought I could guide her to behave like a grown woman, but I guess I was wrong.

    “But you should know that when two people get married, they vow to be there for each other in sickness and in health.” Yes that is what we are SUPPOSED to do, but I have not found a single unmarried woman yet who takes that vow seriously. The woman here believes that they will only behave like a wife when they become a wife but they expect men to behave like husbands when they are not even husbands yet. I do admit that men here are horrible too but so are the women. I have not found any female who takes the marriage vow seriously other than B, so far. But maybe I will. My naiveness is probably making me blind since B is my first gf. Most of the women here want men to treat them like queens but they don’t give anything else in return except maybe sex but I am not interested in sex.

    “You said she has finally taken full responsibility for her actions – what exactly did she say?” She said that she will deal with the consequences of her actions, and she has stopped blaming me, but maybe she is still blaming me in her mind and she just chose not to say it directly to me. Maybe she still believes that all of this is my fault but she is not expressing it, so I won’t know. But despite agreeing to the terms, she does occasionally text me saying that she misses me and everything but she stops when I tell her to stop.

    “But you keep trying to make her understand.” I just held out on hope. Finding excuses to convince myself that she would change. But some people cannot change until something really really bad happens. Maybe she didn’t have the motivation to change her ways in the past cause the arguments prior to January were not as complicated as it is now. But now that she knows that I am serious about the break up, maybe she will change.

    “She too seems incapable of understanding.” No she seems to be capable of understanding, she just chooses to ignore the understanding. Like she knows exactly what I am trying to say but her emotions cause her to overthink unnecessarily and misunderstand things too easily. My father is INCAPABLE of understanding. Like it is very obvious that I am wasting my time trying to explain things to him, but to B, she will eventually understand things but it just takes a while for her brain to register.

    “How are these other girls worse than B? Because I have a hard time imagining bigger disrespect than cheating on you and then blaming you for it.” I have told you a few stories already about some women here. But I can give you more stories. There is a girl here who is dating three men at the same time, and none of them know each other. Each man treats her well but as soon as one man leaves for work or something, she has the next man come over. And another thing is that she ensures that she does no service other than sex for the main bf. So far as to make sure that she cooked something for herself and ate it right before her bf came over. She has her man literally starving whenever he comes over or he brings food for her himself.

    The men here are no better either but I noticed that it is actually a cycle. Either a man or woman gets cheated on, and then they proceed to become a cheater in their next relationship and then whoever they cheated on becomes the next cheater and the cycle continues.

    There was another girl, who was dating a rich chinese dude. Whenever he invited her to dinner or something, she would bring her real man claiming that he was just a friend or she would have him buy gifts for her, which she either kept for herself or gave to her real man. Eventually the chinese guy figured it out and he left but still, the audacity of the girl to cheat RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM is crazy.

    “But you concluded – incorrectly – that none of those girls were interested in you” Tee, my first online relationship ended cause of my parents, but when we got back together for a few weeks, she told me she didn’t want to date at all, only for me to find her dating another guy. Then she proceeded to ghost me after finding out the guy was interested in another girl. Even if the first break up was my parents’ fault, she still chose to dump me after we had gotten back together, so doesn’t that mean she was no longer interested in me?

    My second online girlfriend dumped me, went on a date with another guy, then got back together with me. Doesn’t that prove that she was not really interested in me but was actually using/manipulating me?

    My third online girlfriend was fine, but she also ghosted me cause of her parents without informing me of her circumstances first. She could have at least ended it properly so I don’t go waiting for her in vain. Fine, let us assume that her parents completely prevented her from coming in contact with me, but if she really cared, she would have found some kind of way to give me one last goodbye message, like through school computer or through her friends or something. FINE, let us assume she could not do any of that either. I SEARCHED FOR HER EVERYWHERE UNTIL I FINALLY FOUND HER. She could have informed me about her circumstances WHEN I CAME BACK FOR HER! All she said was that her parents forced her to stop contacting me and we proceeded with our relationship but if the circumstances were actually that bad she could have told me that our relationship would not work or at least tell me whether I should wait for her if her parents get involved again. She did none of that, she left me abandoned on my own birthday.

    So tell me, were these girls actually interested in me? Am I incorrectly assuming here? Only the third online gf can be given SOME benefit of doubt even if the evidence is against her. But do you actually think they wanted me? I have girls in my own class telling other people that I am useless and does nothing despite all the work that I have done. Even the female “friends” that I talk to have shown that the only reason why they talk to me is cause of my guy friend who is the common friend between us. They don’t even want to get to know me. Not that I am interested in them but they don’t even want to know who I am. THEY EVEN GET MY NAME WRONG COUNTLESS TIMES DESPITE ME CORRECTING THEM BRUH.

    Maybe I am in fact the issue. Cause there is a saying that in a class, if one student fails, then it is the student’s fault for failing, but if EVERYONE fails, then it’s the teacher’s fault for not teaching properly. In the same way, if everyone thinks that I am not worth their time, maybe I am in fact not worth their time. Maybe it is my attitude too, maybe it is my stubbornness, maybe it is the fact that I am the dumbest in my class. I’ve been insulted and treated like trash so many times that I am now too afraid to even talk to people so I reserve myself and do not talk more than necessary. I have made a fool of myself in front of people so many times that I am pretty sure they all see me as some insignificant idiot.

    So based on all this, I don’t think there is any normal, decent girl who will be willing to give me a chance.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Roberta,

    I just wanted to respect her wishes, and in the moment I felt that private matters should remain private. Besides this is not the first fight/break up we have had so I just assumed that we might just get back together later and I didn’t want to let my friend know that this constant break up and getting back together was a cycle, cause then I would look bad too. But in that weak moment, I told him what I was going through.

    I wish I could find an uncomplicated person like you said, but from the looks of it, most of these girls here are worse than B. I’ve seen how these girls behave, literally no respect for their partners. These girls make B look like she is a perfect angel from heaven. I am not saying that all women are this horrible. I am just saying what I have observed so far and the real life incidents that a lot of people have told me.

    Besides, the girls who are actually worth it, won’t even give me a chance. So I am just stuck with my fate.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    “This idea that she was a puppet of her aunt’s is a false one” I still think there was a degree of manipulation though because she continued to date Al cause there was no negative emotion or anything making her vulnerable at the time, but in my case, the heartbreak made her vulnerable to the manipulation. I think B still made her own decision but it was heavily influenced by her aunt. You cannot compare Al’s situation with this one because Al’s situation happened in the country where most of her family is and there was always someone who will care for her (her dad at least) but in the incident in January, B was in a whole different country where the only family available to her was her aunt, who had the responsibility of getting her plane tickets and providing her a home and food etc. So knowing that there was no one else to turn to other than her aunt would probably be a factor in her decision to obey her aunt. Besides, she also told me that she did not want to tell her dad or anyone else because she felt embarrassed by what was happening because she had been telling people that the money came from the aunt but later she found out the money came from a man who wanted to sleep with her. Her pride got in the way of her decision making. But yes, I have told her that she had the power to say no to her aunt cause her aunt wouldn’t be able to force her into doing anything so in the end it was her own decision to go with the man but the Aunt set up the whole ordeal and influenced her decision making. And she said that she started to like the guy because he did not discriminate her like my parents and I did (which was a misunderstanding that I corrected after like a 100 arguments).

    “You should certainly not date a 5-year old…” Yea, I was naive enough to believe that if I loved her enough, I could teach her to act like a mature woman.

     “She gets the attention, but she also returns the attention” She didn’t go to the guy and start sexting him. The guy came to her to sext and she just entertained the things he said. The concert and her plan to visit her guy friend were always planned cause she had already informed me about being invited by her girlfriends to go the concert and the guy friend was visiting from Spain after several years and it was the first time in a while he came to visit. I had no problem with her going to these places, the real problem was how she would behave at these places. And she proved me fears to be correct. Based on the videos she recorded, it doesn’t seem like she was actively trying to make herself visible, and in the case of her hugging the guy and wearing the bikini, I see pure stupidity cause the pictures she took indicate that she is oblivious to the fact that the guy friend’s friend has his arm around her back ending near the breast region while the bikini incident occurred at around 6 am where she assumed everyone would be asleep, but obviously not cause her guy friend was awake. I also noticed that the outfit that she chose to wear are extremely short, cut jeans while everyone else including the females were wearing long, more modest clothing. I pointed out all of these things and she acknowledged that she was not thinking when she did all of this and apologized for it but idk if I should even consider her apology. The way that she behaves just shows how stupid and oblivious she is. She doesn’t even appear to be intentionally doing it, she is just operating on literally three brain cells, so it is hard to assume that she is craving the attention, she is just an extrovert that likes to party and enjoy life etc.

    Going to the concert and going to the resort were pre-planned things but she had told me that she did not feel like going but our fight as well as pressure from her friends probably convinced her to go to clear her mind from the fighting we were having. She definitely did not tell me the details of her plans though because I was only told that she was going to the concert and visit the friend, which I was fine with but she did not tell me about the things she were going to do at the resort (maybe she was not aware of what her friend’s plans were but idk).

    “If it were for herself, she wouldn’t have put it on social media.” That is exactly what I told her but she said that her status were only available for her girlfriends and me (but she accidentally made it available for my guy friend as well) and she took down the pictures after I told her.

    “She is trying to make a fool of you, Paradoxy.” Tee, if she is trying to fool me, she definitely deserves an oscar award cause that is how perfect her innocent acting is. The fact that she brought her bikini with her proves that she already had planned that she would be going to the beach and etc but the recordings she have shows how oblivious she is to everything around her. If that obliviousness is actually fake, then that girl deserves an oscar for her performance cause that is how convincing it is.

    “Please look up the term “the abuse cycle”: it is when the abuser is trying to convince their victim to stay in the relationship, by promising they would change and claiming they didn’t mean what they said, and that they are sorry” Doesn’t that make me an abuser too? Because I have called her names in anger and apologized to her later, only to repeat it the next time she pissed me off. The only difference is that I did not just call her random insults (except recently with the use of the term bitch, whore (which I already explained), garbage, trash etc), I made sure to use terms that literally described how she was behaving, such as brick wall, stupid, dumb, fool etc.

    “The victim agrees and the relationship gets better for a short while, but then the abuse starts again. The abuser never really changes. All those are empty promises.” Should I take her back just to see if this is true? If she does the same thing again, at least we know that her promises are in fact empty. Sounds stupid but just asking.

    “You have been trying to explain to her why her behavior is hurting you, why it is wrong, but she doesn’t even want to hear it.” She refuses to listen because she is blinded by her emotions. It is like how anger can blind certain people and prevent them from seeing things from a different perspective. Besides, she does apologize for her behavior, only to repeat the same thing again the next day. She told me she did that because she only thought of certain things to say after taking some time to think about what was said in the argument. So she is saying that in the moment, she understood what I was saying, but then when she had time to actually process what was said, she came up with thoughts that countered the things I said, which therefore restarted the argument.

    “She only admits that she did the deed (e.g. sleep with someone for money). But she is blaming you for it.” Fair point. But isn’t admitting the mistake similar to taking responsibility for the mistake?

    “So she actually asked you to lie. And you didn’t oblige.” Yes I know that but isn’t it still wrong since I already agreed to lie for her?

    “And she is still accusing you for the fact that she cheated and prostituted herself. She took no responsibility for it – she is blaming either you or her aunt. But she herself took no responsibility.” Well she takes the blame one moment and then shares the blame with me and her aunt. So it’s like she is taking 50% of the blame and giving 30% to her aunt and 20% to me and my parents. But today she has taken full responsibility for her actions and promised to not bother me anymore but claims to have trust in God that I will come back to her…. I finally told my guy friend the details of what was happening and he suggested that I break up with her and wait and see if she really does change and I should only take her back if the change is visible. So she and I have come to the agreement that we are now broken up and we will no longer talk about the relationship but she is welcome to ask for my help for her work or whenever she needs it.

    I just can’t imagine any other girl caring for me the same way B cared for me. Like which girl would help dealing with dandrives in someone’s hair? Wouldn’t most girls be disgusted by it and not even bother to help? But she willingly offered to help in putting the treatment into my hair and clearing the dandrives by hand. She even cleaned my room in secret because I don’t let her do it cause it just feels wrong. It is just weird because it feels like no other woman would take care of me the way she took care of me. What if I am actually throwing away the perfect person for me because I am blinded by her mistakes? Or maybe I am being naive and stupid because she is my first real girlfriend after all.

    My attraction for her has nothing to do with her stubbornness. I definitely do not want someone who is too high on their horse to acknowledge what is right and what is wrong. Yes I want someone who understands me but I definitely do not want someone who literally drains all the energy out of me before they finally understand me.

    I just wished that she was the right person because I always thought that I would marry the first girl I ever truly fell in love with. Now I feel contaminated by my experience with her and I don’t think any girl would want the remains of what was left by another girl. Now I am back to my sad lonely life.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Roberta,

    Yes she made a demand which I AGREED TO. The fact that I agreed with her demand makes my decision not to comply sound like I lied to her. So the technicality of the issue makes me look like I betrayed her and lied to her. I am not beating myself up because I told the truth to my friend. I am beating myself up because I had AGREED to her that I wouldn’t tell anyone but I still told my friend.

    Is it really manipulation if you already know you are being manipulated but you still choose to go along with it? B was being manipulated by her aunt into sleeping with the man, but she was aware that it would be wrong to sleep with the man but she still did it. So does the fact that she was being manipulated justify her actions?

    In the story of the Boy who cried wolf, if the people had just given him the benefit of doubt despite knowing he is probably lying, he would have probably survived, but in the end who had to experience the loss? The boy and his parents. Just in case I am wrong. Just in case she really did change. As naive as I am, I really wish I could take that chance.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    I asked B recently why she did what she did and she told me that when we broke up, she was heart broken and felt abandoned and in that moment, she felt that the only person who cared for her was her aunt. So she decided to just do what her aunt told her to do, because she was under the impression that only her aunt cared for her. So heart break just became a catalyst for what happened, and her aunt was waiting for the opportunity like a predator waiting to pounce on their prey and B fell right into her trap.

    But despite that, it is still bs like you said cause she went with the man 3 times out of which she slept with him twice, with multiple opportunites where she could have gotten herself out of the situation, but she did not take those opportunities because she thought that she would get in trouble with her aunt as she is in a whole different country with no other place to stay. She is also claiming to take responsibility while also blaming me for my role in what happened.

    Nobody forced her to stay with me, but she said she felt the need for my validation. Like some psychological validation that she was worth it. Similar to how some girls who are popular with men gets their pride hurt when they find a man not interested in them, so they annoy the guy until they receive his validation.

    She may be 24, but I am starting to think that she is a child trapped in an adult’s body. Its like her brain resets every 5 minutes and everything I tell her just goes over the head. You can literally feel the words going in one ear and her processing it for a second and then leaving the other ear. Like she just threw common sense out the window and she has not even realized it. Thats how dumb it has become. And I think she is behaving like a 5 year old because she did not get the love she deserved from her own parents and family members. The lack of proper guidance prevents her from knowing how to act in certain situations, therefore resulting in the current drama. So can you really be mad at a 5 year old? I know I sound like I am making excuses but I would like to view the situation from as many angles as possible.

    And she said that she was not aware that the money was coming from the man until the man came to get her. But she could have rejected the man and told him that she would pay him back. It is not like the man could rape her cause then he would have no other option but to kill her, which he cannot do cause too many people are involved in the situation. But even if she got raped, I would have been able to forgive her cause then it would be against her consent, and therefore she would not have a choice. But the reality is that she did have a choice, she just chose wrong. And I don’t see her craving men’s attention, she just naturally gets the attention cause that is how physically attractive she is, so I don’t see any craving. She is fine with staying at home minding her own business if that is all she had to do. But she did say that all her dress ups were for herself  (including the bikini outfit), which I think is bs cause no woman dresses up in a fancy outfit just for themself. And another excuse she had for the bikini incident is that she was in her bikini early morning when everyone was asleep, which is so stupid cause she is literally at a resort, she cannot possibly assume that everyone would be asleep. This level of stupidity makes me wonder whether she is actually 24 or actually 5.

    She also said that she said all those things about me ruining her life and etc cause she misunderstood and she was just angry and she asked me to forgive her for what she said in anger, so should I? It still doesn’t change the fact that she felt that way cause of me, despite the fact that I have explained myself countless times.

    “She has wounds and self-esteem issues that predate you, but instead of admitting it and taking responsibility for it, she found someone to blame: you.” The funny thing is that she admits her mistake one moment, and then blames me again, then goes back to apologizing for her mistake and then comes right back to blaming me again. It is a continuous cycle of her apologizing and blaming me. I think she just wants me to be blamed for my role in causing her mistake, even if she takes responsibility for actually doing the mistake. So she takes responsibility over her actions AND blames me for causing her to do these actions.

    Regarding my attitude towards women, you clearly did not read what I said the last time we had this conversaion. I see women as persons that should be respected and loved and cared for and treated like queens. I have no other attitude towards women. What I do have is a stereotype that was created by observing real life situations of some women’s behavior to their own partner, not just something my father taught me. My father AND mother just supported the stereotype by advising me that cruel women existed, and most of them are women that are heavily influenced by modern society. It wouldn’t make sense if a woman was hurt by me simply saying that there are a lot of gold diggers out there. It would only make sense for the woman to be hurt if I said “You are a gold digger” because that is a direct insult. But of course there are the type who overthink too much and misunderstand what I am saying. We live in a society where divorce over stupid reasons is normalized; A society where men are constantly afraid of who they marry due to the possibility of losing half their wealth. Besides, can it really be considered misogynistic if there is actual evidence that proves the misogynistic theories to be true?

    I do see what you are saying and I totally agree with you, and I have already made the final decision but it is just difficult to cut off the part of me that still cares.

    “She is falsely accusing you of lying and wanting to cheat on her” B accused me of lying because I told her that I did not tell my friend that we were fighting, but I actually did tell him. But that doesn’t change the fact that her behavior and her lying is 1000x worse than my one lie. I also think that she came to the conclusion of the possibility of me cheating cause of that one interaction with my crush from high school which I forgot to tell her about, which she assumes to be a lie too. But like I said, she claims to have said what she said in anger, just like I have called her rude names in anger too, so should I really not forgive her for her false accusations?

    I believe that she did not want me to tell my friend that we broke up because she knows that my friend will ask for the reason behind the break up and she doesn’t want my friend to know what she did. So the reason behind the break up is the horrible embarrassing secret that she wanted to hide, and not the break up itself.

    I am pretty sure she is well aware of how stupid her accusations are. But in her moment of anger, she forgot all the things she did and only focused on what I did. So she knows that she has a log in her eye, she just chose to ignore it.

    I know that she is a guilt-tripper and manipulator, but it is like she doesn’t even realize she is doing it. It is like a 5 year old crying and throwing tantrums and pouting and showing glassy eyes to get what the child wants, and you just feel so sorry for the child that you just feel the temptation to give in to what the child wants. I think I actually just spoiled her by forgiving her so many times already.

    Everything else you said is true. I will just have to work on fixing it. There is a saying, that you should not go to the market when you are hungry because you will just buy the wrong things. Maybe I just picked the wrong person out of my own desperation for a friend.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I appreciate all the advice you gave me. I am sorry if I sound like a spoiled brat, that was not my intention. You did open my eyes to certain things, and helped me organize my thoughts to be more confident in my decision. I wish you the best in life too. Thank you.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You are suggesting that the truth/logic can be manipulated and that is very true, but not all truths/logic can be manipulated and deceive us. No one can manipulate certain things such as the fact that 2+2 =4 or the procedure to handle or fix a piece of machinery etc. I am speaking from watching my father do it. I know that my father is a stubborn man who doesn’t factor in emotions to his decisions, but so far his decisions have been proven to be beneficial for everyone, even if it utilizes manipulated logic. That is why he is held in high regard by everyone he has interacted with, even his own boss. He was the one who figured out that my aunt was cheating on my uncle, with the small amount of interaction he had with her. He has been the one correcting a lot of people’s stupid decisions before they cause more problems. Everything you have said is true in general terms, but I have to speak on the specific terms as it relates to my father. He just cannot understand emotions, which is why he considers it in low regard and prefers to stick to just pure logic which is why he is stubborn and refuses to acknowledge he is wrong in his decisions regarding situations that involve emotions.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    I have already agreed with what you have said Tee, every child deserves to be loved and cared for and me lacking those feelings made me seek the same comfort in other people.

    B told me that my parents and I ruined her life, that she entertained the other men and slept with the guy cause she liked the feeling of not being discriminated against. I had already told her that whether I date/marry her or not is not dependent on what my parents believe, but I did tell her my parents’ general opinion on women, to which she was offended, which was why she broke up in January, leading to everything else. Everyday it is feeling more and more like I am the real problem. Maybe it is me after all. She had told me not to tell my only other close friend that we broke up, but in a weak emotional moment, I told him that we were fighting. She found out and she told me that I lied to her and made her look like a fool. She also said that if I am able to hide her from my parents for two years, then I can also hide a “bitch” from her too (implying that I would cheat).

    She said that out of all the fights that we had, the only major one was the one where she cheated, and the one now. That all our other fights were minor and we only broke up now cause of me not being able to forgive.

    The times when I was the problem were 3 times, the first one where one of my crushes from high school (who is a family friend so we still talk) asked me about how college life was and whether I cook and stuff and I told her that I cook simple meals like pasta and noodles and she told me that I should cook for her one day. I obviously declined that offer. B saw those messages and couple days later asked me about what I would do if a female asked me to cook for her. And my stupid self completely forgot about the conversation with the girl as I had decided to keep her out of my life by deleting everything related to her (including that conversation). B took offense to that and assumed I was lying and the guilt over the misunderstanding made me suggest a break up, which further infuriated her. Though we did not actually break up then, the tension indicated that we were extremely close to breaking up.

    The second time was when she asked me what my type was and I described the type of woman my parents wanted me to marry instead of the type of woman that I wanted, and she was offended because the type of woman that my parents wanted was nothing like her (she still holds on to what I said then despite clearing the misunderstanding). She cried for the night and the guilt from hearing her cry made me want to leave her to remove myself out of her life so that she is not burdened by nor feel pain cause of me, which further infuriated her. We did not break up here either but the tension was still high because I had still made the decision to break up.

    The third time was last night regarding my friend, who I told that B and I are fighting, despite her telling me not to tell anyone. And she said I made her look like a fool and that a liar like me can easily cheat on her, despite the fact that she was the one who actually cheated.

    The fact that she said that I ruined her life, that I would cheat (despite how loyal I was to her), the fact that she liked how she felt with other men unlike me, all hurt me. Each day she would come back saying that those things were only said out of her anger, which I understood cause in my anger I had called her names, but these names included terms like selfish, narrow minded, brick wall (cause she is stubborn and refuses to listen when I explain) but then recently when she crossed the line too far, in my anger I said that she was a whore (because she was paid to have sex with the man in January), and I also used terms such as bitch as well. This is the first time I went that far in my name calling but I said it out of anger too and I regret calling her those things.

    I also had given an example in one of our arguments that if she had crumbled paper in one hand and a clean plain paper on the other, which one would she use to write on, but she assumed that I was implying that she is flawed cause of the men she has slept with (despite telling her that I had forgiven her for her past, but I cannot forgive the one where she slept with another man while supposedly being in love with me. The correct meaning of the example I was trying to point out was to show that I would rather choose someone with less trauma (because she would also cause less trauma), who causes less problems, less arguments, less wrinkles as I write our story instead of someone who has a lot of trauma (which would make her cause more trauma), who causes more problems, more arguments, more wrinkles. But she was offended and hated me for using that example.

    Now she is saying that she is only embarrassing herself because she is the only one trying in this relationship and that I am stubborn and refuses to acknowledge that she is trying to change. She said that we broke up over a small reason cause I was always planning to leave her. That is false because when we broke up, we were already fighting about me not being able to give her some time out of my day cause of my studying for exams and when I finally gave her the time, she said that I would rather spend time with my gaming than with her, which pissed me off because she just showed that she was blind to everything that I have been doing for her and I felt there is no point in us having this relationship if that is what she thought of me. Though this would have been one of our normal break ups, the things she did after the break up convinced me to make it permanent: her going to a concert with her girlfriends right after the break up to party (which she knows I am not a fan of cause she gets hit on by men a lot, which is exactly what happened at the concert by a music artist), her going to a resort several hours away to be with her guy friend, hugging her guy friend and his friend too close, her wearing a bikini/revealing outfit (while with her guy friend) and posting it despite knowing that I hated it, going to the beach in another revealing outfit, combined with more arguments with her constantly blaming me for breaking up with her over a “stupid reason”, despite telling her about her mistakes. Each argument was so draining for me that it kept reinforcing my decision to not date her again. She also kept accusing me and my parents of being racists and ruining her life and self esteem etc by discriminating against her cause of her skin tone despite explaining to her countless times that the race is not the issue, it is the influence of the modern society because wicked women exists in all races. Fighting with her is mentally and emotionally draining but a part of me still cares about her. I know that I am an asshole but I thought I tried my best….

    All of this just kept feeding my core belief that everyone would be better off without me, and that I am better off being alone.

    You said that her compulsion cannot change unless she truly heals and transforms, which I told her and she asked me why I had to break up, why not just give space to each other until she is fully healed, which means she wants us to remain a couple in public but she would not bother me until she is fully healed, after which I could give her another chance to prove her worth. I told her that we are still breaking up but what she said recreated the doubt in my heart whether to give her another chance or not.

    My inner child wants her, doesn’t that mean that what my inner child wants is not always necessarily what it needs or necessarily right? So how do I differentiate between what is good for it and what is bad for it?

    Thank you for the video suggestion, I will look into it.

    Paradoxy.

     

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    The inconsistencies occur because the lifestyle I grew up in is more complex than the lifestyle that you guys grew up knowing. I grew up in a village with farmers and traditions and religious devotions and family politics. I am trying my best to simplify the issues that I experience for the readers to understand better, but there are a lot of underlying factors that affect the situation which would be too complex for me to explain cause it is something you experience, not something you just know. I am able to argue back against the advice given because I have already considered the different outcomes before asking the questions, and I expected solutions that I have not already thought of but I keep getting answers that I am already aware of. I know that my parents are cancerous to me, but I have already mentally and emotionally cut myself off of them, but do not disrespect them because I am wise enough to realize that though their methods are just horrible, their intentions were still good. Listing out all of the specifics leading to this realization is too complicated to just write down, you have to experience it to actually understand it. In the same way, a lot of other things that you and the others have stated have already been considered, but there is always an underlying obstacle because due to a lifestyle difference, certain obstacles are harder to get over. It is like the different species of sharks around the world. They may all be sharks but you cannot treat every shark the same way, as there are differences in behavior and etc. A Nurse shark would not be as aggressive as a great white shark.

    I know what Godwin-the-child wants. He wants compassion, friends, to be cared for by someone. He wants to make music, play the piano, build machines, play videogames, watch animes etc. I have just decided to shut him up for now so I can focus on med and then give him some freedom after med so he doesn’t affect my chances in becoming a doctor.

    I appreciate the advice you have given anita, but life is way more complex for certain people due to underlying factors that affect every decision. The factors that affected you will not be the same factors that affect me, and therefore the solutions you suggest won’t work in certain situations. I make my decisions by considering all these factors first. That is why I came here because despite knowing that what B did was wrong and she does not deserve forgiveness from me, I have to consider all the factors that helped create her situation and also think about what I would do in her situation while also considering B’s past which would have had some form of influence in her poor decision making as well as her emotions then. A lot of people make rash stupid decisions that make you wonder how in the world they were stupid enough to do certain things but you do not know what that person experienced in that moment, the thoughts that they underwent in that one simple moment, unless you actually experience it yourself. The complexity of the situation made me want a third person’s perspective before I made my decision. In fact you might need her side of the story too because my perspective of things may cloud your judgement cause you can only see the situation from my point of view.

    I apologize if I sound like a stubborn brat to you.

    Paradoxy

    ParadoxMusic
    Participant

    Dear Roberta,

    I am not saying that amazing women like you don’t exist. It is just that unfortunately, most of the young women today are being influenced by all the wrong people on social media today and peer pressure and etc, which leads them to follow the wrong path, and most of them are rebellious too so their parents can’t control them. These types of women continue to rise. It is very rare to find amazing women like you and I am disappointed in your husband for not realizing what he lost, but I appreciate you for sharing your experience.

    Paradoxy

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