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June 13, 2024 at 10:56 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433817ParadoxMusicParticipant
Dear Tee,
Your hypothetical story is possible, but I find it very difficult to believe that level of extremity.
“How did he push you towards the breakup? You were breaking up all the time anyway.” I am referring to the times when he told B that I could be cheating without her knowing and the time when he fed her with more false information, which made her believe that we were breaking up cause I was cheating instead of breaking up over her cheating.
“If he waited for you to stop caring completely, he could be waiting a lifetime” Hell no, he knows that I was planning on blocking her entirely once I got my money.
“At this point you are her creditor, not her boyfriend. It could be a strictly business relationship. But itâs much more than business, at least to you⌔ Obviously I haven’t been allowed to move on yet cause she keeps calling me once in a while and tells me stuff like to take her to the atm, and I ask her if she would give me my money if I take her there and she says it depends on how much she has on her acc, so I walk her to the atm in the hopes of getting the money, only to find she barely has money. Every time she calls me, I take the call in the hopes of getting my money and she is leading me in circles with that trick.
“What wedge did he hammer between you and B? How is he responsible for your breakup?” Like I stated earlier, he told B that I could be cheating and another time he told her that I was interested in other girls and checking them out when he knows that is absolute bs, and stuff like that convinced B that the breakup was caused by my cheating instead of her cheating.
“Because she might be lying about half of it⌔ Even with the screenshots? The texts sound exactly like how he would behave.
“Besides, you too trust her rather than him, even if youâve known her and her antics for almost 2 years.” No, I trust neither of them, but this kind of behavior was to be expected from him. He even broke up with his long distance gf cause he wanted to be sexually satisfied by other women instead of waiting for the girl who actually loved him.
“Well, he might⌠but you can ask him about this whole thing. Unless you want to keep accusing him without knowing the full story.” I asked another guy friend for his opinion and he said not to confront him cause it might ruin the friendship and it’s best to just keep my guard up around him.
” And since youâre not going to take the case to the court, you might as well start accepting the possibility that sheâll never return your money.” So even if I play it safe, I wont get my money?
“Your conversations donât really have to end in a fight â if you learn how to stop being triggered by a narcissist. If you educate yourself. If you decide to stop allowing her to abuse you.” Yes I am working on that now. Teaching myself acceptance.
“It seems you still want to enable her.” I dont want to enable her, but it feels like i need to in order to get my money. Yk, to deal with a narcissist u gotta feed their ego until they are satisfied enough to stop bothering you.
Yeah I am working on learning how to deal with a narcissist. Hope it works.
Paradoxy
June 12, 2024 at 12:08 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433774ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“So in their June 4 conversation, he told her he would have wanted to get to know her (like from the moment he met her), if you werenât his friend? If so, at least he respected the fact that you are his friend. But really, if he was attracted to her, what should have he done? Certainly not admit it to you, since that would have been even worse for everyone.” Yes he told her that if I was not his friend, he would have wanted to get to know her. Sure u could say he respected me. But at the same time, I’ve known this dude for years. This dude is casually sleeping with multiple women, and I have a feeling he only sees B as a sexually object too. Idk. But if he was attracted to her, he should not have made a move at all (especially after telling him what kind of person she is) cause how can he come tell me that I deserve better and she is not the right person and all that stuff but the next moment he is showing interest in her? He should not have been trying to screw us up from behind my back in the first place. If he wanted to make a move, he should have expressed his interest after B and I had settled everything since our break up, instead of trying to push us toward the break up. He can’t be saying B is cruel and narcissistic and etc and then the next day you find him dating her. Now I can’t trust him if I were to have another gf in the future.
“Still, you canât forbid him to be attracted to her, and now even to make a move.” Yes I get that, but at least wait for us to settle things between her so I can stop caring completely, because he knows that she owes me money, and he couldn’t wait? I would understand maintaining friendship with her but making an actual move on her???? Of course it will leave a bad taste in my mouth with the way he went about it.
“Well, she already went behind his back and told you about it â which he asked her not to. And theyâve communicated in the past too, itâs not like this was their first conversation. So there might have been an exchange between them, which youâre not aware of. And she seems like a girl who is flirty in general, so why wouldnât she be with him too.” Maybe, but its not enough to call him a victim, because he still knowingly hammered the wedge that was already placed between us and then he made a move behind my back.
“In any case, I think she could hardly wait to tell this to you, and to start pitting you and your friend against each other.” Eh, she told me to not do anything about it or confront him about it… so how is she pitting us against each other?
“So if she told him her version of the story (filled with lies), he might have started seeing her in a different light, and trusting her, and seeing her as a victim⌠So who knows what preceded that message of his, where he started hitting on her.” Could be. But the screenshots indicated that he texted her first regarding her modeling, and then proceeded to make the move. Besides she was constantly blocking and unblocking him anyway since we were fighting so often. But like I said, you could be right. But to be dumb enough to trust a girl who u have known for 2 years but barely interacted with, over a guy who has been with u for 4+ years and you literally live together and do everything together is just insane.
“Unless you talk to your friend⌠and find out what he has to say, rather than trusting her (a proven liar) on her word.” He could lie too. What then? Its not like he would show me his chat.
“Itâs not like she is trying hard to save up, so she can repay you. On the contrary, she is spending on herself, e.g. now she has enrolled a trading class. BTW is it to become a broker?” Yeah she doesn’t know how to save money, which is why I am becoming increasingly annoyed cause there is nothing I can actually do to force her to save money. Can’t even call the cops because her roommate is a cop and she is also one of the worst cheaters u could find. And yes she is trying to become a broker to make more money.
“Good luck with that, Paradoxy. Because the chance is 0%. Zero. Nada. Your attempts are futile. Itâs like going to the snake and expecting not to be bitten.”
đđLol ig u r right.“But still, going for more, trying to convince her that you are a good person after all, hoping that she would see it, hoping that she would changeâŚ.” Thats the thing, I am not going for more. She is coming to me. And I have no choice but to take it cause each call could be a call to say that she has my money ready. I am aware of the foolishness that is going on, but its not like I can block her. I have to just sit here and let her hit my pride and ego and everything and tank it as much as I can. And yeah she is trying to lure me back into a relationship too, but it ain’t working.
Paradoxy
June 11, 2024 at 11:35 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433738ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“Your guy friend told you this? Or he said it to her in their conversation (of which she sent you the screenshots)?” He said it to her.
“Their conversation happened on June 4, almost 3 months after you split up. So you canât blame him.” Yes, but his behavior shows that maybe he was interested in her from the beginning. Maybe that is why he did the stuff he did the previous times we fought. He may have made his move now but saying that he would have wanted to get to know her if I didn’t exist means he was interested in her even while I was dating her.
“If I were you, I would speak with him. I wouldnât respect the narcissistâs plea for secrecy, because it damages the victims. And now both of you (you and your guy friend) are her victims.” Um how is he a victim? He made the move first. He messaged her first. She just didn’t want me telling him that she told me the truth, especially after he told her not to tell me.
“So she told him off? Refused his advances? (at least in the part of the conversation that she you let you see)?” Yes, the screenshots were in continuation so less manipulation. Though the photoshopping could be a possibility, I dont have any means of confirming it.
“Well at least she paid you once. But the delay tactics is in place, as I thought.” Well I did see her bank statement and she only has around 60$ so I wouldn’t push it away as a tactic. Besides the amount she owe is too large for me to ignore, I need the money to get a new laptop for school purposes.
“Dear Paradoxy â youâre expecting respect and understanding from a narcissist? Unfortunately, thatâs something youâll never get⌔ I know I might never get it, but I still wanted to try. Just maybe. Just maybe she might stop being the way she is, even if it is 0.00001%.
“He is not the main person to be angry at⌠“ Still had the audacity to do the things he did. At least show me some respect instead of trying to do things behind my back. Now I can’t trust his ass with anything. I can’t trust him if I were to fall in love again. I can’t trust him to have my back.
Paradoxy
June 8, 2024 at 8:24 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433606ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“She sent it to you? When is the conversation between the two of them dated?” Yes, she sent it, and the conversation occurred on June 4th.
“I wouldnât be surprised if she flirted with your friend too.” She sent the full conversation, which includes her response to him, and there was no flirting.
“BTW if he really wants to pursue her, in spite of everything you told him about her, well good luck, heâll have to learn his lesson the hard way.” The guy said “Everyone’s interactions with people are unique and different. It might not be the same for us.” Basically he thinks that he will have a different/better experience with her than me ig.
“You need to control the physical expression of your anger, even if you feel anger inside.” Yeah it is under control rn, idk about when I see him, but rn it is under control. I am teaching myself acceptance. To accept the way life is and just move on and not let it affect me.
“Have you talked to him about her allegations (that he was hitting on her)?” Nope, he specifically told her not to tell me, and B requested that I not tell him that she told me. So I am just going to stay silent and see what happens. Based on the response B gave, he might not try it again, but if he does, ig we will see.
“Yeah, narcissists are like that⌠and if you call them out, theyâll accuse you right back â that you are a narcissist. Has she done that?” Yep, she has. Her lack of listening and other behaviors are why I call her a brick wall, cause nothing I say gets into her head.
“What do you need to understand? Has she started repaying your laptop, or she is still finding excuses to delay it?” I don’t need to understand. I am just trying to respect her by listening to her and make her feel understood so that she may give the mutual respect for me and actually listen to me as well. I know it is stupid but I am working on improving myself by teaching myself to be more understanding. She is showing signs of planning to delay the payment but I am not in Jamaica yet so we will see once I get back.
“Are you still caught in a conflict with her, with arguments, mutual accusations, insults, things like that?” We barely talk, but when we do, it ends up in a fight. After all, I have to maintain contact with her so I can get my money back. Besides that fight happened after she showed me the evidence with my guy friend. And though I didn’t say she seduced him or flirted with him, I told her that she probably made him feel too comfortable, which made him want to say the things he said. Besides, she had been posting her modeling pictures on her status too so I am not amazed he got intrigued.
“Because if not, then your ongoing conflict is just a smokescreen, which she uses to justify her defiance and her refusal to give you back your money.” Could be. She paid me once, but it will probably take another 8-9 months before she can completely pay me back. Now she is telling me she started attending trading class and etc so she need the money for that. I am going to see what happens when I get back to college.
“A boxing bag might be a good idea â a safe way to physically express anger without hurting anybody⌔ Yeah lol I was thinking about a punching bag too, I am probably going to find one and use it when I get time. But my anger is very controlled rn, but it might burst when I see him, so idk. We will see.
Paradoxy
June 5, 2024 at 3:22 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433517ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“Oh wow! A faithful friend he is⌠And how did you find out? From B?”Â
Got screenshots of their conversation on Instagram, but honestly don’t know who to trust anymore. The amount of anger that I have boiling inside me makes me want to break him, but I made a promise to his mother to keep him safe. So now I have to walk around with more anger and hate in my heart, while pretending to be good friends with him.Already called B out for being a narcissist a while back, but that argument didn’t go anywhere. She is just too stubborn. I am here trying my best to stay calm and understanding and she just pushes all the wrong buttons. And then I burst when I couldn’t handle her disrespect and I started being verbal abusive to her when she crossed the line with her disrespect. I tolerate insults toward me but don’t expect me to stay calm if she starts insulting my parents, and I fell right into her trap: she now says I am the one who didn’t change and that she was the one who had to put up with my verbal abuse.
“Perhaps you want to peak into one of those videos that I mentioned above. I think youâd recognize B very easily⌔ Even if I watched those videos and identified B as a narcissist, I still have to put up with her until I get my money back. I have to endure whatever she throws at me, because all of this could be an act to pressure me into just cutting ties with her entirely, which would mean I won’t get my money back.
June 3, 2024 at 7:25 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433413ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Sorry I definitely didn’t see any update on the post.
“Well, she said she always noticed when you felt upset” The key word is “looked” so she mainly saw the physical aspect, and just generalized the feeling.
“Since she is claiming she would notice your upset â which is not a physical, but an emotional state â she is indeed gaslighting you. Besides, she told you that you humiliated them when she learned about your suicide attempt. Thatâs how emotionally âsupportiveâ and âtuned inâ she was.” Yea I know, that is why I got really riled up by her comment.
“Sure, because in their eyes, only physical issues and illnesses are worth complaining about. And since you are still young and healthy, why indeed would you complain about a single thing? You must be an idiot if you do (says your father).” Precisely.
“Thatâs what you believe about yourself: that something is fundamentally wrong with you. And thatâs what all children (and later adults) who were emotionally abused believe about themselves. Until they start healing and reverting those damaging core beliefs.” I honestly don’t know anymore. Last night I found out that my guy best friend just hit on my ex, behind my back, going far enough to tell her not to tell me. Basically, he was interested in her from the beginning. Despite all the things I told him about her. Lol. Then my ex proceeded with more insults. Telling me that every girl that rejected me dodged a bullet lol. Telling me that I am unlovable and etc. I don’t know anymore. To fight back I started insulting her too. But idk, I was never good at a verbal battle.
“But you, Paradoxy, donât want to accept it: you fell for their false view of you: that you are an idiot. That you are not good enough. You fell for that false identity. In other words, you accepted a lie.” Can’t seem to fight the feeling that maybe…. just maybe…. people are actually better off without me.
“Donât break a birdâs wings and then tell it to fly.
Donât break a heart and then tell it to love.
Donât break a soul and then tell it to be happy.”Â
I am all of the above at this point lol.
Paradoxy
May 27, 2024 at 12:18 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433184ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“So anyway, your mother was never too caring or empathic, quite the contrary, but now she is claiming that she was. Which is gaslighting.” The thing is that she was caring regarding the physical aspect. She noticed when I was tired, she noticed when I was sleep deprived, she saw how weak I looked from days I went without eating to focus on studying while I was in college, but she never saw my emotional and mental health deteriorating. I don’t blame her though but the audacity to say that she noticed whenever I was unwell is just pissing me off. She is not gaslighting because she did care for me regarding the physical aspect but failed in the emotional and mental aspect.
“Also, your father taught you that when you have an issue, to suck it up and be a man. So he wasnât really welcoming vulnerability.” My father also sucks up his own problems. He has all kinds of body pains: back pain, neck pain, leg pain etc. But he never actively complained about his pain. He will still wake up at 5 am and get ready and go to work out under the hot sun until 5-8pm. So compared to that, I would sound weak and pathetic compared to how much he is enduring for the entire family. So basically, in their eyes, nothing of my issues are worth me complaining about.
“You were shaped to be that way⌠by your parentsâ conditioning. I hope you can start seeing that?” Yes I see that but I also realized that my parents are right about me being an idiot. For example, yesterday the battery for the car ran out of charge, so I had to jumpstart the car by connecting the battery to another car battery. I got the battery and managed to jumpstart the car, and then I packed up everything, but my dumbass self turned off the car’s engine. So I had to get the equipment again and jumpstart the vehicle again. This just shows how careless I was, and I had to just stand there and take it when my father called me absent-minded and etc. So technically my parents were right about me being an idiot. So now what? Can’t really say that my parents are wrong about me now….
Paradoxy
May 25, 2024 at 5:41 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433094ParadoxMusicParticipantI am sorry for the way I am…..
May 24, 2024 at 12:03 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433075ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“Thatâs true, but you said you lost money because the guy wasnât really doing his job but went partying (the guy we hired chose to party instead of focusing on the trading). So that doesnât belong to the normal risk of trading. How do you even know he was partying instead of watching whatâs going on on the markets?” We can’t actually point out that he was partying and stuff instead of focusing on trading since we don’t know if the failed trading correlates with the partying. What we do know is that it was his birthday month and he had been posting pictures of himself at various parties and with different women throughout the entire month, but only B knows the details. But like I said, we can’t call him out for partying.
“Has that brought any success? Have you earned anything?” Nope, the second guy just simply scammed us entirely. But since both of these guys were introduced to me by B, it would be reasonable for me to assume that she has poor evaluation skills, since she trusted them too easily. But besides that, she has promised to return the money that I lost in the investment, not sure if I can trust it but we will see.
“You still managed to fall for the kind of girl he was warning you about.” I fell for her because I didn’t want to be controlled by my parents’ stereotypes about women and I didn’t want to fall under their indoctrination. I believed that B was the exception and believed that she would prove my parents wrong. But obviously I learnt my lesson.
“So either you need more education and basically following your fatherâs instructions about whom to marry (light skinned girl, preferably from your religious/ethnic community). Or you need something else?” Not sure, I really don’t want to follow my parents’ instructions. I don’t want arranged marriage but at the rate things are going, I am starting to think arranged marriage might be the safest option. But I really don’t want that. I don’t want a loveless marriage. I don’t want a relationship where we are loving each other for the sake of the children and our parents. I don’t want the person to love me because they have to. I want them to want to love me. But at the same time, it considerably reduces the chances of breaking up/divorce. All I can do is trust in God and hope he has a plan for me.
My father was not feeling well yesterday, and I didn’t ask him if he was ok cause I thought it was the usual tiredness from his work since he is an engineer, besides me caring for him might actually end up biting me back in the form of more criticism or something. My mom was infuriated by me “not caring” and started lecturing me that I should be more caring and stuff and how she always cared about me whenever I looked upset. BULLSHIT. Forgive my language but she probably asked once or twice or thrice at most, and that too after I started Med. Nobody cared during all those years that I suffered. Nobody noticed the pain I was going through when I found out about my ex cheating on me, and now she tries to say she always noticed whenever I was unhappy and that she cared about how I felt? I felt the urge to blurt out these thoughts to her but I changed my mind cause if I open my mouth once, they will force me to open up about my issues and then go right back to criticizing me and etc. It is much easier for me to just say ok and move on. But it is the audacity that pisses me off.
I really think that I am an idiot ngl, cause I think I am starting to have an infatuation for the girl that inspired me to make the song, the song that my ex was pissed about and accused me of cheating on her. But because I am aware of how stupid it is, I don’t think I will pursue it. Maybe the infatuation is a result of my heart searching for a rebound cause of the breakup. My ex had accused me of detaching from her after I found out what happened in January. I had denied it when I was having the argument with her cause I knew that I really wanted to find a way to love her again despite the betrayal but it was difficult cause I was disgusted by what B did, but now that I know that I am infatuated with the girl that inspired the song, I am starting to think that maybe I started detaching subconsciously after I found out about her cheating. At any rate, I don’t plan to do anything regarding the infatuation cause I know it is probably my own heart manipulating me, but do you think I should act on it if the infatuation lasts for a year or two? Does it mean the infatuation is based on real feelings and not my own manipulation?
Maybe I didn’t learn my lesson after all….. Why are emotions and hormones so hard to control? Pain in my ass I swear.
Paradoxy
May 23, 2024 at 9:14 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #433036ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“She didnât force you into it, but you went for it because of her: because you used up all your savings to pay for her upkeep. So you needed the extra money. And she convinced you to try trading.” Right… but she didn’t actually manipulate me into try trading though… She introduced trading to me, and she suggested that we start trading and because I’ve always wanted to make some money by working or something while in college, I agreed to her suggestion to see how far it would get.
“So it wasnât a professional broker, but some guy she found? And he didnât bear any responsibility for losing your money?” It was as professional as we could find. The guy has a lot of persons financing his trading and he has been relatively successful, but yeah, the guy is a pain: he refuses to take responsibility for losing the money cause “trading is a very risky investment and it has ups and downs which we cannot control” and then we just stopped working with him and started saving again to try out other trading groups.
“Donât underestimate the influence your father had on you and forming your beliefs. What he put you through was indoctrination, and it left its traces (just think of being forced to sit with the adults at 5 years old, listening to their âwisdomâ, instead of being allowed to play).” Oh trust me when I say this, my father’s beliefs do not control me, they have just made me aware and more cautious. They ended up being right about B and so I will respect their beliefs, but I am still going to do my own thing, based on my own evaluation. I will not allow their opinion/judgment to cloud my own. I will still acknowledge their beliefs and consider it in various situations, but the final decision will be mine alone.
“Yesterday I came across an article about gaslighting, and was amazed to see that it describes almost to the tee the tactics used by B” Thank you. I will come back to this whenever I feel like someone is gaslighting me. I will learn from my mistake.
Paradoxy
May 21, 2024 at 5:17 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #432879ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“I needed to take a break from this thread and trying to convince you of things (about B) that are so obvious to me, and I believe to any outside observer, but not to you unfortunately.” Yes, I understand. I just don’t like the idea of making claims without proper evidence even if the reasoning is valid.
“It saddens me that after more than 150 posts that weâve exchanged, and you knowing that she was lying to you, hiding important things from you, and falsely accusing you â you still choose to trust her word.” I am not choosing to trust her word, I am just giving her the benefit of doubt in certain things that does not have a lot of evidence. It doesn’t affect my decision to never return to her.
“If she felt crucified, it means she felt harshly judged and condemned for her actions. And this means she wasnât fine at all with doing what you told her to do, i.e. with your expectations and limitations. On the contrary, she felt crucified by them.” Ok fine, I can’t argue with that. She never actively expressed it directly to me so it never came across to me.
“And you will enter the next relationship with the same false belief that women are dumb and need to be educated â which wonât lead to happiness either.” I understand the point you are trying to make, but I definitely am not under the belief that women are dumb and need to be educated. Maybe a little dramatic and a pain in my bottom rn but not dumb. I just thought B was dumb cause of the lack of guidance she had received as well as how her decisions lacked common sense. But I understand your point. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
Paradoxy
May 14, 2024 at 6:30 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #432641ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“So she likes to party and dance without a bra. Nice. And then you say she doesnât like when men view her as a sexual object?” Yea I know how stupid it sounds, but yea that is the gist of it. That is why I said she can be very stupid sometimes. But she does wear a bra though, it is just that certain outfits only work without a bra so she adjusts the clothing so that she doesn’t have to wear a bra but it wouldn’t look like she is not wearing one.
“Okay, so she is dancing in a tight skirt with a high leg cut and a top without bra. But thatâs not at all sexually enticing. It is innocent. And she has no intention to be viewed as a sex object. None at all.” Apparently so. That is precisely how dumb she is.
“Read the above. A girl dancing and partying without a bra is not seeking sexual attention from men. According to you.” That’s the thing, she is just a very stupid hypocrite. I have to literally spell things like this out for her in order for her to understand. She minimizes the issue and pushes it off like it is not a big deal, saying that people won’t sexualize her like that since she is technically not wearing a revealing outfit.
“Well, even if you prefer not to assume certain things, it doesnât mean they didnât happen. Thatâs a part of self-delusion: not wanting to see things that might hurt us. And she was a pro at making excuses for herself, and appearing to be innocent and oblivious, while continuing to do whatever she wants. And you fell for it.” Maybe I did fall for it, cause a part of me still finds it difficult to wrap my mind around how stupid she is. But I would still like to give her the benefit of doubt in case our assumptions are wrong, even if her actions prove otherwise. Maybe it is the naive part of me that makes me want to give her the benefit of doubt, but giving it to her won’t change the fact that she and I are done, so it doesn’t matter.
“Btw is she still living in the same house with her ex?” Yes she is living in the same house but the ex moved out now and a new female housemate has joined her and this new girl is always bringing different men into the house (to sleep with her I assume).
Paradoxy
May 12, 2024 at 3:11 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #432602ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“So B is someone who likes to party, and those parties are the kind where girls (including B) dance practically naked, in a bikini/thongs, while men are staring at them and lusting after them.” You are partially correct. B does like to party, but these parties are not always the kind where girls dance practically naked. Some girls wear revealing outfits though, but most of them don’t. Most of them just wear outfits that are “sexy” even without revealing much skin, but it highlights certain parts of their body, but knowing how filthy men are, they are bound to look. But there are parties where girls wear very revealing outfits. Look up the Jamaican carnival. It is a parade where the women wear extremely revealing outfits and men go for the parade just to stare at women. And then there will be a concert after the parade where the women would be dancing very sexually, entertaining the men there. B suggested that we go together for the carnival but like I told you, being in such environments makes me extremely uncomfortable and I hate it so I obviously told her that we can’t go. She appeared okay with my decision though.
“So B doesnât mind that kind of environment, where she is looked at as a sexual object, a piece of meat. I am sure thatâs how her rich old guy âfriendâ viewed her too.” No, she does mind. She usually goes to parties that are more formal and wear more appropriate outfits, but that is not going to stop men from being filthy assholes. And no, her rich friend doesn’t seem to view her in that manner, based on what I know about him….
“And indeed, they took a photo together by the pool at 6 am, after one of such parties. Surely, they didnât all wake up early to go for a refreshing swim. But they stayed up all night, doing who knows what.” It is possible, but B said that there was no party the previous night, and she said that she went to the pool by herself before everyone woke up but she didn’t know her friend had also woken up. I would prefer not to assume that she was up doing all kinds of wrong things.
“Yes, she is fully clothed except when she is partying â thatâs when she is practically naked.” No, she is fully clothed even at parties, but her choice of outfit is more like thin to an extent, or the skirt has a very long cut. Idk how to describe it. It is like those outfits girls would wear that have an opening to stick their leg out. Or another outfit would be a top and jeans but the top is short so you can see her stomach clearly. And most of her outfits require her to wear no bra as well. So that also annoys me.
“She is also fully clothed except when her ex is taking out her braids â thatâs when she is naked, wrapped only in a towel. And yes, she lives under the same roof with her ex, so thatâs when she is not fully clothed either.” No, She is clothed but her choice of clothing at home is like “booty shorts” and thin shirts with no bra. Sometimes she wears long pants though and she claims to be careful with her choice of outfits. Every time I come over to her place, I tell her to wear something more appropriate when she is outside of her room but she keeps saying that there is nobody home so she is fine. But then one day she made the same excuse and I warned her that her housemates could come back any second and she pushed off my remark like it would never happen, only for her ex to return home and she had to run back to her room to change. The issue with her ex was just a coincidence according to her, cause it was supposed to be the female housemate who was supposed to remove her braids.
“She didnât? She didnât prostitute herself for money? She doesnât go to pool parties where she is dancing half-naked in front or rich old tourists? She didnât let you finance her for an entire year? She didnât take your laptop and doesnât intend to return it any time soon? She didnât convince you to invest in some shady financial schemes, and then used the little that you earned for her own expenses?” You have the wrong understanding of things. She only prostituted herself one time, and she claims to have had no choice because her aunt had set up the whole ordeal. She did go to pool parties but that was before we started dating and she didn’t dance sexually in front of men in that manner, I believe she has too much self respect to be doing those things and they were circumstances where she had control of herself and was not forced to do anything. I financed her because she had lost her job because she refused to prostitute herself, so as her bf, I felt I should help her in the time of need, and she could just pay me back when she gets a stable job, cause I never thought of us as two different people, cause I always aimed to marry her in the future so whatever I invested in her right now, would be beneficial for both of us in the future when she has a stable job and we are married. She didn’t TAKE my laptop, I offered to buy her a laptop cause she needed one for work and she couldn’t return the laptop because she needed it for work. That was before I found out about what happened in January, but because I made the promise to her, I decided to let her have the laptop and she can just pay me back later when she has earned the money. Taking the laptop back by force would be counterproductive because she would lose her job and I am not that cruel. So I have decided to sell the laptop to her and she has started paying me back in installments. And yes she convinced me to invest in trading, and it partially worked. We made a profit of 600 dollars with the initial investment, but the guy we hired chose to party instead of focusing on the trading and so he lost all the money and we went right back to square one. We entered the investment knowing the risks, so she didn’t force me into it. I needed a passive source of income because I can’t work when I have to handle the workload from med.
“You see her as some innocent angel, who is 100000 times better than other women.” Lol she may not be an innocent angel but she is definitely one of the better girls from what I have seen.
“Because in one post, you describe her sexually enticing dancing/partying habits, where she willingly goes to those parties and dances provocatively in front of men. But then in the very next post you claim that she always dressed modestly and that itâs not her fault that men lust after her.” I think you misunderstood, I was speaking about the women in general about the sexual dancing and partying. Not B specifically. B does party, but she is aware of what she is doing, based on all the recordings that I secretly watched, it would appear that she never entertained any man in the sexual manner at these parties. She did dance, but not to entertain men sexually and she is fully clothed, but these clothes highly certain parts of her body like her thigh or waist or breast etc.
“As I said, you are deluding yourself big time. You would need to decide: do you want to keep deluding yourself, or you want to finally see the truth?” How am I deluding myself? It is not like I am going to take her back. I have already received all my clothes back. I just need to get the money for my laptop and then we will be done forever.
Paradoxy
May 11, 2024 at 5:37 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #432588ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“What you have described is a very promiscuous culture, and so I looked up prostitution in the Caribbeans. And to my dismay, I have learned that the Caribbeans are amongst the top destinations for sex tourism, and that a lot of older men go there to have fun with young girls (and young boys), who are often only in their teenage years.” Not sure about that but I won’t be amazed if it is true. From what I have heard, men go to Asian countries in search for a wife, Caribbean and other similar countries in search for a fling, and modernized countries for gf/bf relationship. That is what I have heard.
“It seems that poverty there is widespread, and so prostitution became normalized, as a way to earn money. Which is how Bâs aunt views prostitution â as a source of income â and perhaps even B was socialized into that mindset.” But a lot of third world countries have a lot of poverty though, so what exactly would drive prostitution to rise to such a large level?
“It is all enabled by corrupt police officers, so there is no way for it to be sanctioned.” Coincidentally, the girl who has 3 different boyfriends is actually working as a cop…
“After learning all that, I understood that prostitution is widespread in the Caribbeans, and it is a way for poor women to earn income. And thatâs why you probably saw examples of women sleeping with multiple men, or having one âmainâ boyfriend, and other men on the side.” I am not too sure if prostitution can be compared to cheating…. cause they still keep them around like partners instead of leaving it as a fling after they get what they want. As far as I know, the women are actually maintaining a relationship with them, not just money.
“So itâs not that the women in the Caribbeans are promiscuous for fun. They are promiscuous because thatâs the culture they are socialized into. Same as B was socialized into it, having her aunt as her role model and her âpimpâ.” Not going to lie, but I am having a hard time believing that prostitution is part of the culture….
“The aunt upholds the belief that men should be used to get rich and ensure a good life.” The last thing I heard about her is that she is getting baptized and changing her life etc but I don’t believe it and I don’t plan to forgive her for what she did. Maybe God will, but I can’t.
“And even this selfish attitude (the attitude of a gold digger) could be the logical reaction to the sad truth that women are used by men for sex” Yeah I am pretty sure men just decided that it is better to use women for sex by giving them money instead of being used by women and have their money taken from them.
“So a âsmartâ woman (in her view) would then turn this into her own advantage and âoutsmartâ the man, and at least get herself out of poverty.” Exactly, which is why I said this is a cycle: One person gets used, and they decide to use others so they won’t get used themself, then the others who get used decide to do the same thing because they also don’t want to be used again. It is just a continuous cycle of hurt.
“I am curious what are your thoughts on this? Iâve made these observations based on a few internet articles, so I am not claiming anything, since I donât know the real conditions there. But anyway, let me know your thoughts?” I find it very difficult to believe that prostitution is part of their culture, cause all this gold digging and etc I learned from the American culture, while my parents learned about it from Black culture. But I guess everyone has different reasons/motivations to doing all these immoral activities. I also noticed that a lot of black families are single parented, so growing up in that kind of household could play a factor, idk. But even then, most people are aware of morality. Even B. She grew up surrounded by these immoral activities but she said that these activities were disgusting to her and she will never follow that path. But like I said, she had COUNTLESS opportunities to use men for money and etc, but she didn’t. She is extremely beautiful and a lot of men are attracted to her, to the point of even blackmailing her job if she doesn’t sleep with him, but she still didn’t do it. So she is aware of these morals. She knows it is wrong, and it doesn’t seem like she wanted to take advantage of others. But idk, maybe I am just making up excuses for her. But based on all the time that I spent with her, I think she just lacked good parenting where her parents didn’t advice her well enough.
I even talked to my cousin last night and she is 17 and even she has a poor understanding of society and life etc. She doesn’t even know why stealing is wrong. She just knows that stealing is wrong, but not why it is wrong. And I am confused as to how this kind of mindset even came around. What made them stop questioning things? What made them stop trying to understand? What made them think like robots, never wondering why certain things are wrong and why certain things are bad?
Paradoxy
May 10, 2024 at 11:32 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #432551ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“The way you phrase it sounds like an undeniable truth. You truly believe that the majority of women (or at least the majority of women in âthe modernized worldâ) are immoral. And then you tell me you are not a misogynist? Lol.” Lol don’t worry, I rephrased it to satisfy you.
“Speaking of the âmodernized worldâ, do you mean the entire Western society? Are there countries that donât belong to the modernized world, where you believe women are more moral?” Unfortunately I do not have a list, but the modernized world is in reference to countries that are heavily influenced by the crazy role models that young people listen to on social media platforms like Instagram and tiktok etc. It refers to the countries with societies where certain moral values have been twisted/manipulated and blind people follow them without realizing it is a trap.
“Does it mean you participate in such online groups, where men share their experiences of women?” I do come across men sharing their horrible experiences (as well as females sharing their experiences with men) on platforms like Instagram and Youtube etc. But other than that, my classmates and other seniors here all have stories to tell of their experiences.
“What do you mean by that? Youâre saying that a woman can be a good and kind person, but be selfish when it comes to her romantic relationship. In what sense is she selfish?” Selfish as in they enter the relationship expecting to be served instead of serving each other as partners and like the stories I told you weeks ago, they have some form of ulterior motive to their relationship, like financial gain or citizenship or etc. I am not saying men are not selfish either cause I have met quite a lot of as*holes in college, like a guy living on hall looking to have a sex based relationship with women and to my utmost amazement, women are willing to entertain him and the stories the guy told me has me out of breath due to the amount of disappointment that I feel towards him and the women he enjoyed himself with. So ig I cannot really blame women for being the way they are since they probably encountered some men who treated them wrong. I think it is an endless cycle of hurting each other: when a guy gets heartbroken for the first time, he teaches himself to be numb and then he breaks a girl’s heart, and then the girl breaks another guy’s heart and the cycle continues.
“Okay, this sounds like B. She would go partying with other men (e.g. the rich Spanish guy and his friend) and then felt âcrucifiedâ by you when you objected. She was definitely selfish, had no consideration for your feelings.” True, but you have to also acknowledge that she did all those things AFTER the break up, not while in the relationship.
“Okay, this sounds like B. She would go partying with other men (e.g. the rich Spanish guy and his friend) and then felt âcrucifiedâ by you when you objected. She was definitely selfish, had no consideration for your feelings.” You are partially correct. I am an introvert and she has asked me to go to parties with her but I always disliked it cause it makes me very uncomfortable going to such places since the people at these parties are not people you actually want to be around. For example, you would see a lot of females in revealing outfits teasing men or dancing sexually (such as shaking their asses at men) and behaviors like that really make my skin crawl and I cannot be in those kinds of environments. But B respected me and did not go to any parties or anything while in relationship with me and she would always ask me first before making her decisions. And even when she went to the party after the break up, she had received permission from me to go to her girl’s night out prior to the break up, and permission to go to the resort, prior to the break up. The only thing I didn’t account for was the way she would behave at the parties. Like I said, I am fine with her going to parties and resorts and enjoying herself, but she has to know how to act at these places. I should not be seeing her wearing revealing outfits like very thin bikinis/thongs and enjoying herself while other men are staring at her enticingly, especially since she is a very beautiful/sexy woman.
“And another is when the girlfriend is behaving inappropriately, flirting with other men, and then calling her boyfriend a control freak. I guess she was falsely accusing you of being a control freak, when she in fact was behaving inappropriately with other men.” B didn’t call me a control freak or anything similar to that though. I was referring to other women that I have come across who told me about how their boyfriends are control freaks for not letting them party and etc.
“What were your expectations on B, for which she called you a bigot?” She didn’t call me a bigot though. I was talking about the other women that I have talked to. Not B specifically. B was fine with doing as she was told (idk if she held any hatred in her hurt but she never expressed any hate towards me for being “controlling”). B usually asks me about my opinion before making decisions but Ig sometimes she just never took my advice to heart and now she has to pay for it. It was the other women that live on hall near me who told me their stories. Cause I always asked the men and women here for their advice because this was my first relationship and so they have told me a lot of stories about their relationship experiences. Their stories convinced me to be less controlling by giving B the freedom to make her own decision while keeping it clear what I expected from her. Guess she didn’t fully understand cause she crossed the line I told her not to cross.
 “I agree with that. If the woman expects from the man to always pay, thatâs not fair. Itâs nice when the guy is a cavalier and offers to pay, but itâs not something the woman should expect and resent if the guy doesnât offer.” Exactly, I agree with that, but I also came across a lot of stories that made me realize that the person who should be paying for the date is the one who suggested the date in the first place, which is usually the man. So then that would be fair, cause it was the man’s idea to go on the date and so he should take full responsibility for it and be willing to pay for the whole date instead of doing 50/50. But even if it was the women’s idea to have the date, I still feel like the man should show the courtesy of offering to pay, as it is a sign of respect and love towards the woman.
“So I guess you were afraid that her wearing revealing outfits will get her in trouble? And so you tried to control what she is wearing, so she would be safe (among other things)? But she saw it as you trying to control her, right?” You are partially correct. I did want to protect her from men cause I know how wicked men can be and the best course of action would be to wearing outfits that does not attract too much attention, cause it is much easier to change the outfit than change every man she comes across. But the part you got wrong is that she never saw it as controlling… or as far as I know, she never expressed that she felt like I was controlling her. But despite that, she still managed to get herself in the position of being sold off for sex to a man. So that just shows that I have no choice but to protect her at all costs since she was not wise enough to realize what she was getting herself into.
“As you have described her, she is someone who likes wearing revealing outfits, and actually likes male attention (e.g. she responded to sexting, initiated by your class mate).” Ehhhhh not exactly. She is always fully clothed (except when she is at home… where her ex also lives) but she looks very sexually appealing in every outfit she wears no matter how fully clothed she is. So at that point, I can’t do anything regarding her clothes.
“And your mistake was to try to âregulateâ her instead of letting her go.” Maybe it is due to my fantasy mindset… you know like those movies where you see men changing their behavior for women and women changing their behavior for men due to their power of love and etc. I just thought that maybe B could change too if I loved her enough.
“Or if we canât tolerate their behavior, and they are not willing to change, we should let them go.” But she looked like she was changing though. From my perspective, it looked like she was improving herself and changing her ways.
“I would also like to say that in some countries men believe that a provocatively dressed woman âasked for itâ, if she gets sexually assaulted. And thatâs very wrong, because regardless of how a woman is dressed, it shouldnât be a reason to get sexually attacked or harassed.” Yea I am aware of those men. But I think they have some point though. It is wrong to say that the women deserved to be harrassed for their choice of clothing, but technically, they would have been safer if they had chosen a better set of clothing. Cause like I said, it is much easier to change your outfit than change the nature of every single person you come across. I am not saying I support those men though, so don’t get me wrong. I just think that in this cruel world, you cannot expect others to be kind towards you so the only thing you can do is to protect yourself by adapting to the situation.
“I very much disagree with the idea that women should dress modestly, so not to âenticeâ men. Itâs the menâs responsibility to control their urges, not womenâs. Because if we take this to an extreme, it can lead to forcing women to cover up head to toe, which is a severe oppression.” I completely understand. I wish the world was a much better place too but there is nothing I can do if B were to get raped or something by these cruel men that exists today. Everyone has to do what they can to protect themselves cause that is how horrible society truly is.
“So anyway, when you say you tried to âprotectâ her by dictating the type of clothes she was wearing, thatâs not really the way to treat a woman. If you canât accept her clothing style, you shouldnât be with her. Simple as that. Everything else is a form of control.” Yea sure, I gave her the freedom to do whatever she wanted and she ended up being a victim to her own aunt’s manipulation and got sold off for sex. Even if I were to leave her, don’t expect me to not grieve if something bad were to happen to her.
“As far as I know, there are a lot of examples where women are paid less for exactly the same job as men. There was a survey in which they asked women and men about their job interviews, and it turned out that women typically accept the salary they are offered, whereas men tend to bargain with the employer to get a higher salary.” Well I can only speak for the experiences I have come across and in those experiences, women were being paid less due to the lower quality of work. But there could be companies and other people who take advantage of the gender inequality though.
“Who is even comparing male and female soccer teams (or any other sports)?” A lot of women are foolish enough to make stupid comparisons like that lol. There was an Australian women’s football team where the women thought they could play better than men but they ended up losing to 15 year old boys with 12-0 score. And in another case, a women’s football team decided to play against retired male soccer players to prove that women are better than men but they also ended up losing too.
“But a woman might be a good manager, or a good prime minister, or hold any leading position. Of course, provided that she has the necessary skills and talents. Excluding the woman, or paying her less, just because she is a woman â that would be inequality.” Of course. Everyone deserves equal opportunity to prove their skills. That is real feminism, cause it ensures that everyone is treated fairly, but the entitled feminists take advantage of genuine feminists who are fighting sincerely and use it to promote their own agenda and that is why female inequality still exists today. There are a lot of feminists today that think men are useless and that they can run the world without men, but they always end up forgetting that most of the things that they have used on a daily basis are things made and maintained by men.
“Well, you have some pretty strong views of women, and you did say you grew up in an old-fashioned family, so I thought Iâd better check⌔ Lol alright fine fine, I understand your intentions but I also hope you understand mine too.
Paradoxy
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