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Inky
Thank you, your reply made me relax and cry 😉
It’s so reassuring to know I am not being silly and this can be pretty normal, so thank you for that.
I said to my husband if I was in a dark room I know I’d cope, so it must be I am embarrassed to show myself panicking. I might just throw a blanket over my head haha!
Thank you I shall try those tools you’ve suggested. I ordered an oil diffuser yesterday and tonight I am going to go and buy some lavender oil to see if it will help calm me.
Thank you
Julie
LibbyParticipantHI Anita
Sorry for the delay in responding to you.
I did raise it with her but not until 2 weeks ago. No I didn’t tell her I didn’t think her suggestions were very helpful but I made it clear I was very afraid that belly breathing and positive thinking were not going to help me as it’s a real phobia for me now.
I agree, I am too hard on myself. I will start reading my inner child book and see if that can help me.
Thank you again for replying to me.
Julie
LibbyParticipantBrilliant. Thank you VJ I shall contact them.
My therapist has suggested EFT and we did a session on it to help me face my anxiety driving my kids to school but she hasn’t since taught me how to use it daily for every day anxiety.
Thank you.
Julie
LibbyParticipantThank you Peter, that actually sounded really interesting.
I wonder how I might do some kind of inner cleansing myself. Any advice appreciated? I do believe I am all clogged up inside with negative energy and it needs flushing out of me. I feel flat, low and worried every day and I just want to feel better.
Thanks again
Julie
LibbyParticipantThank you Anita
Yes I am ok with no contact, it hurts me more when they contact me, because it’s never pleasant. My mother wants to be in my life and the childrens but it’s on her terms, as and when she can see us. She hasn’t helped me once through my chronic ill health and I am learning to accept that and let go of the resentment and hurt I feel that she has yet again abandoned me again. I am now learning to let her see us on my terms, so when she says she wants to visit us on a certain day if I don’t feel well that day I will say no assertively and no longer feel I can’t say no. It has to be right for me.
I have seen 3 therapists the last 4 years. The first was awful, the second one was great but very expensive, this lady I am seeing now does know her stuff. She also has had PTSD but I don’t think she truly gets agoraphobia if I am honest. I am going to give it another session or two then assess how I feel.
My therapist actually said that, I need to treat myself as 2 people, I have a scared inner child which is the anxious part of me and she said that part of me is adult as I am a good parent to my children. She said because I have been abandoned and hurt all my life it’s why I struggle to not be this scared little child, my childhood was also full of trauma and I felt afraid growing up. Then my brother attacked my husband and me a year later it then brought to light this anxiety disorder that I’d had inside me all my life but it was more subtle before, now it is so intense. I did overcome things but a year ago I became ill physically and it all came flooding back hence the agoraphobia again. I worry about my health constantly and think negatively. My poor head and brain hurt and I am exhausted making my chronic fatigue much worse.
I bought a book on healing the Inner Child, I am yet to start it. I am wondering if I’d be better off giving myself my own therapy because I feel my therapist really doesn’t get how hard I find going out. Yesterday when I asked how I’d face my blood test in 2 weeks she said to do imaginable exposure and belly breathing. I asked how I’d do appointments again one day and she gave the same advice, yet I have this huge mental block and fear of the doctors surgery since I had the panic attack in an appointment last year. My fear is I won’t ever go back and face these places. I told her I had to do a fear hierarchy and then work through it physically, not just imagining situations I am afraid of. I then said the tougher ones like the doctors I could break down into smaller tasks to reach the goal of doing an appointment. I could walk up to the doctors building and stand by the door, the next time walk in a pick up a leaflet, the time after pick up my prescription, then maybe sit in the waiting room while my husband goes to his appointment….. She agreed they were good ideas but I feel it’s all coming from me. There is more to healing agoraphobia and now phobias than belly breathing and imaginable exposure.
Sorry, just therapy has definitely been frustrating the last few weeks. She did my anxiety and depression tests in July when I started seeing her, she said she would do them regular to keep an eye on my mood incase therapy was making me feel worse. She never did them again until I asked her to yesterday. My depression score was very low in July, it’s now crept up, my anxiety has lessened abit but my mood has dipped which I knew it had. I am not one for depression but I feel the therapy has made me feel worse about things. I know therapy isn’t easy and you often feel like quitting so I guess I should stick with it. I cannot put myself through starting again with someone else, dragging up my past, talking about that day with my brother again, it’s too painful to keep going through it. I think this lady is my last chance then I will work hard ont hings myself. I seem to know more than her at times and she has said I seem so knowledgeable on anxiety, she asks me often how I know certain things. I had to give my son therapy myself after the NHS let him down, and everything I taught him helped as he is now in school thriving. I know it’s in me to do it but I am stuck in a rut right now and feeling so down on myself. I beat myself up daily that I should be more active and exercising, out walking but I can’t due to my ill health. I feel I should be taking the children to all their appointments but I’m not which makes me a terrible mother I rely on my husband… I am so hard on myself and it’s getting me nowhere. I need a blood test just for an MOT to check a few things and I am worrying about my health a year on and want it doing for peace of mind, but my fear I will have a huge panic attack or faint infront of the GP terrifies me. He has said he will come to my house but I still can’t bring myself to do it. I need my hubby with me and right now he can’t get any time off work to be with me for it so until he can I can’t face it, but in the meantime it’s hanging over me. I have already put it off a month lol! I worry more about my health not having it done, yet am terrified to do it after what happened during a blood test last year.
Sorry to go of course there, my poor head is full of worries right now.
Thank you for your kind replies.
Julie
LibbyParticipantLovely words, thank you for sharing them with me Peter. I fully understood. I do feel like a prisoner for what my family did to me.
Thank you
Julie
LibbyParticipantHello Anita
I have very little contact with my sisters and mother. Only recently has there been some contact as it was my birthday and my daughters within a week of eachother and my mother and sister turned up to bring us gifts. My younger sister blanked our birthdays which is fine but she did contact me a week after my birthday to ask for my Grans address to send her a birthday card (my grans birthday is the same day as my daughters) which I completely ignored. I just feel sad that she still tries to hurt me in her own subtle ways. OTher than that there is no contact with family, I have cut myself off. Removed myself off Facebook and any other social media they were following me on.
Yes, I hate all the labels she has given me. I just need to treat PTSD as anxiety, it all comes under the same umbrella it’s just that mine has been caused by a traumatic event when my brother terrified me then my family bullied me for 2 years after.
I feel lost. I had therapy today and have come away from it crying and feeling worse about myself. Today she listened and let me get out how I am feeling. I told her since therapy my anxiety and mood has got worse and I seem to have lost all hope of overcoming my anxiety and agoraphobia this time. She said therapy can do that early on as you discuss your traumas. I talked to her today about how awful my agoraphobia is and that I am avoiding a blood test I really need to get done as I have been ill a long time. I need an eye test as I am having some issues with my eyes but that instinct I used to have when I overcame agoraphobia in 2013 just isnt there. This time it’s like that inner voice of confidence has gone. I couldn’t walk into a doctors surgery now, I have a huge brick wall I just can’t get over this time. She just said I had to do imaginable exposures at home of the things i fear, belly breathing exercises and EFT. It’s making me wonder if this will help at all. I know from last time it was acceptance, real exposure work doing a fear hierarchy that helped me. This time I have so much fear I am struggling to even work on that right now and I told her this. I am wondering if therapy isn’t for me as will she even help and can i afford to throw £40 a week away to be told to belly breathe and do imaginable exposure? She is good in that she’s explained to me now about the amydalada and how the fear part of us takes over in our brain and the rational part of us goes offline, so she knows her stuff and it’s helped early on but now the last 3 sessions I have felt bad about myself for struggling and today she only gave me those tips and little else.
Sorry for it being a long reply.
Thank you
Julie
LibbyParticipantThank you Anita
I agree, no way can I allow my mum to see my children alone.
I think it will come to the point that I have to cut all contact. I cannot allow her to make my children hurt and feel sad. She comes around and they love her visit but then she walks away again and they ask why their Nan is with their cousins daily, why she goes to the zoo with them, why she does trips with them and spends time with them yet saw my children once in the summer holidays last year and then only visit as I begged her to as my children were upset. I won’t allow that anymore.
I just know she will just blame it on me, as she always does. She will say when I was ill with my physical ill health these 6 months I went ‘funny’ with her, when infact i just went distant because she rejected me and hasnt’ been anywhere for me or my son. Maybe I am just going by my standards but if one of my children were ill physically plus had a suicidal son being bullied I’d be there for them night or day, I’d walk over hot coals to get to them. My mother has been nowhere for me. She is a poor excuse for a mother. If she treated my siblings the same it would be easier to accept but she babysits for my sister all week and even weekends to give her a break. She sees my other sister and brother and their children every day. She knows I have been ill and has never even rang to ask about my results. So in recent weeks when she asked to visit I said no, for my own sanity and put myself before my children wanting to see their Nan, it’s about time I did that.
Another thing that hurts in all of this is that since my brother attacked my 4 years ago and I cut all contact with him (I have no contact with my brother, no sure if you realised that) my sisters sided with him and resented me. My sister invited me to her wedding last summer and I didn’t go, which hurt me but I could not go as I hadn’t spoken to family in 2 years. The day my sisters turned their backs on me I lost my niece and nephews and that has destroyed me. I loved them so much and I have lost them all. My sisters came to me last year and said they wanted me in their lives and were sorry so I agree to be civil and I did it for the kids to see their cousins again but things haven’t worked out, my sisters also know I have been very poorly and not once asked if i am ok, or even messaged me. So things haven’t changed with them either. I am sure they resent me and think I am a terrible auntie to their children but it’s extremely difficult to be an auntie to your niece and nephews when their parents have treated you so badly. I cry alot about that as I miss my nice and nephews and I get upset my children don’t have cousins in their lives. I do find that something i struggle with as I fear their children will resent me and think I am a terrible auntie. My sisters live doors from eachother and their children are best friends and both very involved aunties. It hurts me they took that away from me and now our relationships are so destroyed that I can’t be the auntie I want to be. My friends tell me my sisters are toxic and you have to stay away from them to protect yourself, the poor children are innocent and know you love them. When I do see them I smoother them with cuddles and tell them I love them. They are bwtween the ages of 10 and 3. I miss them but it’s just too hard to be in their lives with their mothers being the way they are towards me. Even my own mother has commented how terrible my sisters treat me which really is funny coming from her 😉
Thank you for your kind reply.
Julie
LibbyParticipantAnita
I forgot to say. I’d never let my mum see my children without me around because last year she asked if she could have my sons over for a sleepover. I agreed on the basis that she respected mine and my husbands wishes and didn’t let my brother visit while she had my children over. She agreed but the following morning my son text me begging me to hurry and pick him up because my mum had my brother at the house. When I collected them I refused to enter the house and she shook her head at me angry that i wouldn’t come in. She didn’t speak to me for 2 weeks angry that I was upset my brother was there and i wouldn’t enter, making him feel uncomfortable. I told her she went against my wishes and should not have had my brother near my children. This is a ‘man’ (I struggle to call him that) who attacked my husband unprovoked infront of my children out of the blue and had to be arrested and taken away from our home. A year later after he swore he had gone for help with his mental illness, he chased me in his car and told my mother when he got hold of me he was going to kill me (and he meant it). My mother knew he wanted to kill me and she never called me to warn me to go somewhere safe. I saw him in my car and he chased me, I ran into a police station where he followed me in, attempted to assault me and a police officer and was arrested and thrown into a cell for the night. So she knew full well why he wasn’t allowed near my children. She took great pleasure in telling me that the boys were fine when my brother was at the house, in her words ‘they were laughing and joking with him so I think it’s just you and your husband turning them against him as they were fine when you weren’t here’. Little did she know my sons were texting me to pick them up quickly. I spoke to my boys and they were upset saying their grandmother had lied as they just said hello to him to be polite and were too scared to chat to him.
She takes great pleasure in doing things like that to ease my brothers guilt as he is apparently wracked with guilt that he hurt my children and is scared to see them as he thinks they hate him. So she wants to ease his guilt, but in the process hurt me and rub in my face that my children love my brother, which is simply untrue. My poor children are terrified of him and it’s why i cut him out of our lives.
Sorry for the whole chapter and verse, but I haven’t ever opened up about that. She can never see my children without me as I don’t trust her.
LibbyParticipantThank you Anita for your kind reply.
Exactly, I am being realistic. I no longer crave the mother we all have this idea of in our mind, I accept my mother just isn’t that way, it hurts but it is what it is. It doesn’t mean I like how she behaves.
My son sees me tired, this isn’t something that just happens due to me seeing my mum. The day he saw me feeling poorly, I was just so exhausted and weak. I must have looked terrible for him to be upset my mother doesn’t’ support me lol! Bless him. I drove them to school, I cooked and cleaned. I behave as normal but yes on a crash day I look drained. It does upset the children when I am in a crash but they understand it’s part of my illness and they are wonderful human beings and will do a few chores to give me a hand after school which I reward them for with pocket money.
I have learnt to listen to my body. For too long during my ill health I have allowed my mother to visit then paid for it for days after with sheer exhaustion and anxiety. All because the emotions of it drained me and triggered a CFS crash. CFS crashes hit from too much physical exertion or emotional. I have learnt to listen to my body and become mindful of those that drain my energy, and those that uplift it. My mother is an energy drainer, as are all my family and that was why I walked away from them. Then when I became unwell with my thyroid and CFS I had to listen to my body even more and recently noticed just how ill seeing my mother makes me feel.
You’re exactly right. My mum is on pins around me, it even pains her to ask ‘so how are you feeling?’ it takes her ages to ask me when she sees me. She is on pins, she senses how cold and civil I am, she hates what we have become but like you say she is not taking a look at her behaviour and changing it and that is why i am only civil now and polite. I am always polite, never do I tell her how I feel because that is wasted energy. Last October after she said to my children ‘you know where i live’ I sat her down and coldly, I showed no emotion but told her straight that she is either in my childrens lives or she is out. I won’t have someone treating them as an option. She should treat them equally as she does her other grandchildren. I also said ‘i have given up on us, I accept that you don’t want to be my mum, but I won’t have you hurting my children’. She sat there open mouthed shocked at how to the point I was. I also said at the end of the conversation ‘I am not showing any emotion mum because I accept you and I and how you feel about me, but I am making sure you don’t hurt my children. See this as a chance to change and be the grandmother i know you can be to the others, but with my 3 and if nothing changes and i become more and more distant just remember this conversation because I won’t ever sit here and tell you how I feel again because we have been here to many times mum and nothing ever changes so this is my last time saying all of this’. Well she came to visit 3 days later after that, she took us to a local tea room for cake and tea, it was nice. I hoped she had wised up and realised but no since then nothing has changed, if anything things got worse because weeks later my health issues began and my son became unwell due to the bullying in school. She walked away from us and only visit I’d say 3 times between November and January. The day she said ‘you know I would if I could’ when I told her about my son and how I wished I had a mother who cared and wanted to support me, well we died that day. Things have never ever been this bad and now it is just we are civil and when she comes to visit she is so nervous around me. I think it is because she knows I won’t ever talk again about how bad things are but she is not willing to remember that talk and change. SHe knows exactly why we are where we are, and it’s all her own doing. It’s her choice.
I will talk to my children, I kind of have told them how I am hurt by my mum and they are all hurt she hasn’t been there for my son and for me. They are all at ages where they are little adults and very aware. I never bad mouth her to them, I am not like that but they are very aware that I do not have a good relationship with my mum purely due to her never visiting and they’ve witnessed my mum not being around during my ill health.
Things are good in my life, I am improving, on medication for my thyroid now and I am so happy and blessed. I just find it hard to see my mum just for my childrens sakes when really by seeing her she walks away and makes no effort again. I think for me it’s more the pain that she didn’t support me through these last 6 months. I could really have done with some support seeing my son go through that hell, and it caused me to feel so unwell seeing him like that. Not having a mum around was tough, although i am used to it, during tough times it still hits me hard that my mother isn’t around like she should be. It makes me stronger though. It is what it is, and I have a clear conscience that I did all I could to make my mum realise how she behaves is wrong. As I always say, you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Thanks again for your lovely support.
Julie
LibbyParticipantThank you Inky.
I would move in a heartbeat but my children are very settled with great friends, if they were younger then I would move for sure but now they are all older, one son is going through his GCSE’s as of next year,s o it’s just not an option. I also have my 12 year old son to think of, he has just come through horrific anxiety and is now so happy, great friends…. I would not uproot him as it would make things worse for him just when things have calmed.
I have discussed moving with the children and none of them were happy about it, 2 even cried so I am not going to hurt my children to move away from my mum but in an ideal world I’d not live by her or any of my family as I find it very uncomfortable. Luckily the children are a 15 minute drive away from them and don’t bump into them so we also like you live in a happy little universe just the 5 of us. Of course it hurts when someone is so close by, my husband says he would rather be 10,000 miles away because then it hurts less that they make no effort to see you. He is right but I just can’t risk hurting my children further because of my mothers mistakes. I’d rather stay where we are than hurt my children.
Thank you for your kind words. You are right, it’s just not do able.
Julie
LibbyParticipantThank you all for your kind advice, it has been really helpful.
My son is 11. He was bullied from October last year until June this year. It has since stopped but since then he has struggled with a low mood, low self esteem, always says he is ugly/fat, panic attacks and fears when he is out of the house that someone will beat him up. The bullying has stopped now in high school and he is doing really well but all these things have continued. We are intouch wiht school very closely and there are no bullying issues but his panic attacks effect him mostly in school. I wish it would stop for him, the bullying hast stopped but all these issues have left a deep impression and not left him, my poor boy. He has had an assessment at the childrens mental health team and he was honest and even spoke to them alone and told them it all began after the bullying and also since I cut out members of my family he has missed his aunties and cousins. Which tears me apart because my siblings were violent and toxic and I had to cut them out for our families sake. Now I worry I did wrong by him because for 3 years it’s just been the 5 of us (hubby, his siblings and I) and I worry I have let him down. My brother was violent and hit my husband and a year later chased after me, police involved both times and he was diagnosed with a serious mental health illness. My GP and friends all said I did the right thing cutting him out but as a result my mum and sisters cut me out because they said I was being unfair, my brother was ill and I should have given him a third chance. I could not risk that. After he attacked me I became agoraphobic for a while, I am now fine and go out. I still have some anxiety issues but I am happy. I cope with them.
Have i let my son down?
LibbyParticipantThank you Nene – Very true, I need to focus on those that do love me and help me in life. I appreciate your kind reply. Thank you.
Anita- Firstly I just wanted to say no I don’t ever talk to my children about how bad my mum treats me. My children are fairly grown up, my eldest is 13 and he has obviously noticed that his grandmother doesn’t visit, he is aware she is with my sister and her grandchildren daily. None of this comes from me telling him, it’s just a known fact in the family. My children were aware of what my brother did as they saw it with their own eyes and they noticed from that day that I had no family anymore, it’s a really difficult thing to hide from them. I had to explain to them that my family felt the need to support my brother through his ill health and as a result we didn’t see much of them. My eldest resents my family alot for doing that but it’s not me that’s planted that seed, I hope that all makes sense. My middle child is 11 and he has asked why he doesn’t see much of family as he misses them and I find that really tough, he misses my family alot. That is why last month when my mum turned up late on the day she promised a visit my children got upset and asked her why she never visits. They have noticed it, and were asking me often why. Maybe I do come across as sad about my situation with my mother but again that’s pretty hard at times to hide.
I don’t really reach out to her but yes if she calls I answer the phone, maybe I need to stop that as it only upsets me that she doesn’t offer me any support and I need to stop telling her about the tough times I have been through recently in hope she will be the mother I want.
Thank you for your replies.
LibbyParticipantThank you all so much.
I have gone back to cBT. It never cured me bit yes it helped.
I have anxiety that manifests as scary thoughts of what if I left this world and that kind if scary thoughts. … but they’re under control now. That was when at my worst 2 years ago. My thoughts were very intrusive and terrifying. Now its more a general unease, panic attacks in shops or socially. Health anxiety where I panic at every sensation that I am ill. Urgh, it’s exhausting for sure.
I am setting small goals to hit each day. It’s a great way to push myself but at my pace. I do yoga daily and I eat well.
Thanks again everyone.
Julie
LibbyParticipantTHank you Saiisha
I am looking up the books you recommended on Amazon UK now. Are they spiritual books too?
Ju
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