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Sorry Anita, I meant “if you prefer”, not “if you before” in my last message to you (near the end). Can’t edit this post anymore.
MidnightParticipantDear sarah,
I really understand how you are feeling and can imagine the strain this is putting on you.
I can respond to you in your thread if you elaborate there.Just a quick note on what you said about the example from parents: my parents have a very loving and supportive relationship, what I said about my dad was meant to describe his attitude towards me, not my mom. But the fact that you interpreted it this way must hold some meaning for you and relate to your parents.
MidnightParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much for your reply and your offer to share your experience and thoughts. This really means a lot to me as I have never before spoken to someone who has gone through this thing and knows what it’s like, especially someone who has learned how to deal with it.
So yes, I would love to hear more from you.
I have a few questions if you don’t mind:
– What kind of therapy gave the best results for you? Was it classic Freudian or CBT?
– How do you practice Mindfulness? I find that if I succeed in relaxing and being in the moment, it is usually only after I have reached some sort of calm in my thoughts and not really before. If I am “spiking” and feeling very anxious and lost in these thoughts, Mindfulness usually doesn’t help that much. Or maybe I haven’t tried hard enough or often enough. What kind of method do you use? I sometimes use self-hypnosis and relaxation apps, I don’t really take the time to meditate.
– How can I be sure I really have ROCD? It is probably the most tormenting thought of all. That maybe it’s not really “just in my head”, maybe I’m ignoring my true voice and needs… very scary thought.
I hope that’s not too much for you to answer all at once, please don’t feel obligated to answer right away or in length, I wouldn’t want to take too much of your time. And if you before just telling your thoughts or story in no particular order that’s fine as well:)
Again thank you so much for your response.
MidnightParticipantThank you John for your insights (wasn’t your name Sammy earlier?).
I do wonder why you mentioned the smothering love in your text. Do you see what I’m describing as a form of that? I am curious.
Personally I don’t see it that way because I feel detached and unattached to my partner whenever I am having these doubts.I was really touched by your confidence in my love for my partner and what you said after that about giving more love. It really is what I want to do, but these thoughts stand in my way as I am left wondering if he “deserves” to be loved by me and too often judge him unworthy.
Maybe it is I am not sure deep down that I deserve to be loved or something like that, but if that’s the case I don’t know where it’s coming from as I have had a happy childhood with loving parents. Maybe my father did not express his love as much as my mother but I don’t remember having had doubts about his love towards me growing up.
Again thank you for your input and attention, I really appreciate it.
September 15, 2016 at 3:54 am in reply to: Overthinking is destroying my relationship and myself #115237MidnightParticipantHi sarahk,
It might not be helpful or reassuring to you to think you might be suffering from something like that, as it is to me. Also I am not saying you are – I am not a professional and don’t know you so I really can’t tell. I was only suggesting that in case you find it interesting to look into that, but of course it doesn’t necessarily apply to you.
I do encourage you to try and speak to a therapist in any case, because it appears to me that you are stuck in a thought pattern which is making your life difficult and speaking to a professional can really help with that. It absolutely does not mean you are crazy or helpless or have any kind of disorder.
I see it as simply shortening the amount of time you spend stuck in a pattern, because your issues might resolve themselves eventually, but it will probably take you longer to get to that point then it would take if you saw someone. And in the meantime you are not feeling too good so it’s just too bad to go through that all by yourself.
This is how I see it anyway.MidnightParticipantWhat did you mean by “Are you confusing love with attachment and need.”?
It was scary for me to read that because I immediately thought you wrote this because it sounded to you from what I wrote that I don’t really love my partner, I only need him. It is one of my biggest fears and maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but this is how I read it.
Which goes to show the way my mind reacts to this subject altogether which seems unhealthy to me. I seem to give more value to others’ opinions even when they don’t know me or my partner at all as I’m always scared of how I am perceived and how my partner is perceived in relation to me.
MidnightParticipantHi Sammy,
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply.
You are right when you ask “will it have to be the perfect baby”. I do worry that when I have a child I will be constantly worried about his or her imperfections and comparing to other children, the way I do with my partner. Or I will find she/he perfect as it will be my child, and keep thinking my partner is the imperfect one and worry about the kind of contributions he will have in our child’s life and mind. I cannot picture a future in which I will just accept both my partner and my child as they are and not worry about that so much. A part of it is worrying about what other people might think and how they perceive me partner and I, do they think he’s right for me? Good enough for me? Or maybe they wonder what I am doing with him?
I think the way I think about all of this is not normal. It doesn’t sound to me the way other people think about their partners and family.
I know a lot of people go through breakups after the love “high” is over, like you described. I somehow feel what’s going on with me is different. It is a bit like that but not really the same.I think that because I believe what you described is usually true when people discover after the “In love” feelings go away, that their partner is actually not that supportive or emotionally available, that they don’t see life together the same way, that they don’t agree about a lot of things or have bad communication and so on.
This is not how it is with me and my partner and it wasn’t really the case in my previous relationships either, also I often had these worries right from the start and not only after a few years or months as you described.I see what you mean about the label but I actually disagree, the thoughts are so consuming that the only thing that sometimes helps is to tell myself I might have ROCD – that is the only way for me to get some distance with them and see them as something that is going on in my head rather than the reality.
So I don’t see it as a label which makes me an ill person or whatever – I see it more as putting a name on something that is so scary and awful that I hate to think it is actually some sort of an inner voice I have to listen to. Because this inner voice always leads me to breakups and living on my own, which is not how I want my life to be (although sometimes it does seem tempting).- This reply was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by Midnight.
September 15, 2016 at 2:26 am in reply to: Overthinking is destroying my relationship and myself #115230MidnightParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you, I have started a new topic and added my text there and elaborated a bit more, it would be great if you could respond to me there, if you have time and energy of course:)
I do feel from what I’ve read here by sarahk that she might be suffering from ROCD, it is still not a very recognized and researched aspect of OCD but it is starting to be.
So sarahk, maybe it is something you could look into, just read about it or speak to a therapist about this, it has helped me tremendously to realize I was suffering from this because I could then look at this from a distance and tell myself this was all in my head and I didn’t have to engage with these thoughts so much. It can really help to put a name to what’s troubling you.
Good luck.
September 14, 2016 at 3:37 pm in reply to: Overthinking is destroying my relationship and myself #115178MidnightParticipantHi sarahk,
I have suffered all my adult life from similar issues in every long relationship I’ve had (sometimes even in short ones).
I have looked for answers online and in therapy, and I believe I might be suffering from Relationship OCD (ROCD).
It sounds like it might be something you could identify with as well if you look it up.With me it was either about the relationship not “feeling” right (for example, with one of my ex’s it was mainly about the fact that I’ve never felt “in love” with him and I took it as a sign that it wasn’t meant to be), or the person having a flaw or some flaws I felt I couldn’t live with (I’m not talking about serious flaws like being abusive or irresponsible or anything like that). These thoughts get worse and worse until I break up the relationship and then I feel relief, until the next relationship where the pattern repeats itself.
The problem with this is it is so vicious, I am never sure if my relationship really is “wrong” or if I really have such an issue. I’ve never suffered from other OCD type symptoms. I always have this doubt – what if I just never found the right person for me? What if I just keep making the wrong choices and I actually need a completely different type of person to the one I usually choose? It really is an awful feeling as it is keeping you away from the one person you’re supposed to be closest to and ruining every bit of positive feeling between you, and in your life in general as a result.
So I can really relate to what you are feeling.
I must say this is hell on earth and it is definitely the worst thing I have ever had to deal with, and I went through some stuff that other people might consider tough. They were nothing compared to this hell that you can’t even share with anyone. Because who will I talk to? I don’t want my friends and family to know I have such thoughts about my partner…If anyone has any insights or advice, I would love to hear.
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