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Hi Sally,
I think that committing to a relationship that involves upending your life after knowing someone for a short period of time (in my mind the relationship has be 1.5 years or more in order to consider it having longevity) is premature.My two cents.
Mark
MarkParticipantHi Bernadette,
You admit that you are self destructive in this relationship. You also point to a reason why you have stayed in such a poor relationship, i.e. fear of being alone, fear of not being worthy enough.You are asking what to do. Re-read what you said in the first sentence. What would you advise anyone else who wrote what you wrote?
What would you say to someone who has suffered a five year up-and-down relationship with no self esteem?
I am sorry for your pain. The answer is in the mirror.
Mark
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MarkParticipantSean,
The only thing I can add to all this other wisdom is that I view relationships as self selecting, i.e. if it does not work out then there is a reason why it should not. 15 months is around the time when reality sets in and the “honeymoon” phase ends. You highlighted a couple of reasons why she is not “the one” from her lifestyle, a life of no real responsibility. Yes it is a big leap into your life so no wonder she bailed. She has no one to answer to except to herself.I believe people fool themselves. They/we live on thinking how we “should” be happy with certain things and in reality we are not. So she probably did not know herself that she really did not want this life until something clicked for her.
My guess even if she does change her mind, she won’t change her stripes as a woman who is beholden to no one, who does what she wants, when she wants to. If you do marry her I am not confident that you will keep her.
If you move on then I would recommend examine why you decided to choose her for a life mate, do some self examination for we each play a part in what we attract in our lives.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantHi Pete.
I would start with the Loving Kindness Meditation (you can find YouTube versions as well as other ones online). This way you can think of someone that you love in your live and capture that feeling in your heart. You can move on to other people in your life as well with yourself.Another idea is to have a gratitude journal with the focus on what you like about yourself.
Be diligent with your mediation and gratitudes on a daily basis.
You also may want to consider therapy.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantHi Ally,
You have already noted that comparing yourself brings on unhappiness. If I was in your position, I would focus on keeping a gratitude journal. What is good in your life every day?Keep your bubbly nurtured. Be around people that uplift you. Focus on your own joy and co-create that joy with others. Be in service to those who are less fortunate. Share your bubbly and happy demeanor.
Let me know if this makes sense and do-able for you.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantAnnette,
I am sorry I was not clear when I referred to that popular book, “Eat, Pray, Love” where the author went off around the world (eat=Italy, pray=India, love=Bali) to find herself after her divorce. My point was that you may need to take off on your own to find yourself as well. Some go around the world, some go on a silent retreat, some go out to the middle of the desert on a Vision Quest, or some just get help from a therapist. Meditation is certainly a great way to do that as well. I do not think it is the only way and it can be combined with other things that will help you find out who you are, what you want, and where you want to go in your life.I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.
My “ah ha” experience in my marriage was that I went through a personal growth seminar series (www.wings-seminars.com) which woke me up to myself. I never laughed so much, cried so much or hugged so much in my entire life. I had the most intimacy in my life and it was with a bunch of strangers (men and women). I realized I wanted THAT in my marriage. It turned out that my wife did not and it took two years of counseling for us to come to that conclusion.
It was a very hard decision to seek a divorce but I knew I could not fully live and become the person that I kept suppressed if I stayed married. I could not be the role model of how to take charge of my own happiness for my children.
I still am seeking a life partner and in the meantime I have developed intimate friendships (spiritual, emotional) that I treasure and have enriched my life.
I wish you well on your journey.
Mark
MarkParticipantPocotouro,
It sounds like you were not totally emotionally honest with yourself or your gf when you got involved with her. You were/are still committed to your ex when you jumped into dating.You owe your gf the respect of honesty. You are already hurting your gf by not being totally emotionally available and still wanting your ex.
Cut her loose so she can move on and so can you.
Mark
MarkParticipantI question the benefit in revealing the affair to the husband. I agree on owning up to one’s choices and addressing the underlying causes so the affair won’t occur again. I believe that affairs are the symptom of a problem but not the problem itself.
Helen, you seem to be struggling with the larger issue of whether or not that your husband is the right partner for you. You may want to explore who you are right now, where you want to do with your life. This affair may be the wake up call for you to look hard at yourself. I believe this process would be more valuable for you do this on your own rather than counting on your friend or husband. This would be a good time for therapy, walkabout or Eat, Pray, Love or a Vision Quest or other explorations that would help you in uncovering who you are now.
MarkParticipantHi Annette,
I am sorry for your pain. First I think it would be healing for you to acknowledge yourself on such lessons you have learned from this. Good for you for recognizing what you really value in your life.I would examine what is the purpose of revealing your affair to your husband. As you noted, it would probably give him and your children great pain. I’ve have heard from therapists that usually the underlying reason to reveal our affairs is to share the burden of our guilt with the partner and that is tremendously selfish. This makes a lot of sense to me.
The other questions you have are how you can forgive yourself and move forward. I believe that until you commit to loving your husband then forgiveness is academic. This probably will take a while and a big internal shift within yourself. Love is a verb. I would think you really need to emotionally let your relationship go before being able to fully move on. You may need to really examine if you can love your husband and that you are able to bring your full self to the marriage. If not then you have some work to do on yourself first.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantHi Alexa,
I am not sure what you are asking (if anything). Do you have a specific question for this group?Are you asking on how to communicate with him? or whether or not to contact him?
Mark
MarkParticipantValleyrose,
I see relationships as a series of behaviors where one thing does not define the relationship. It is how we are with each other over a period of time that reveals the health of the relationship. We each affect the other in relationship. We behave according to who we are with. We bring our baggage, i.e. what we have learned from past relationships especially what we carry from our family-of-origin, usually unconsciously.Plus we all lie. http://www.npr.org/2012/06/04/154287476/honest-truth-about-why-we-lie-cheat-and-steal.
Is the real underlying issue about you trusting him even though this is an anomaly and he admitted this openly to you? Or something else? Examine why this still bothers you. I believe we each need to our our own reaction and response.
If you still feel the need to talk to him about this then I recommend you look at Non-Violent Communication (http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nonviolent-Communication) as a model to communicate where you communicate how you feel, what underlying need that was not met and then make a specific behavioral request.
Let us know what happens.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantHi Marce,
In my experience and from what I have read about relationships is that they end around the one year mark. This is when the romantic phase ends and the power struggle phase starts. http://www.loveatfirstfight.com/relationship-advice/relationship-stages/.Both parties play a part in the success or breakup of the relationship. You can beat yourself up or when calmer, you can learn from the relationship. You ex has responsibility for his part. If that fact helps you deal with blame then I suggest you examine how your ex’s behavior helped caused the demise.
Plus acceptance of the end of a relationship is part of the mourning process. It may help to realize that there are stages to that as well.
I wish you peace Marce and patience with yourself.
Mark
MarkParticipantlovinggirl,
Your first sentence on explaining why you are in this relationship is because you are scared. Living a life from fear rather from love is never good. I use that as a metric all the time for myself. I continue to ask myself, Am I coming from fear or love? whenever I have negative thoughts or when I considering some action.Also living a life from “you should” place is not living it from love. So when you said “you should be THRILLED…” that tells me that you are not being in this from a loving place.
The fact this relationship is “draining all the life and energy from me” should tell you something.
You have been scared and depressed without him. I invite you to love yourself. It’s can be a long process that does not yield immediate results but ultimately that is what all of us need to do. You probably need help to do this. Find a support sangha. Have a regular meditation practice. See a therapist. Find other ways to nuture yourself and tap into your joy.
Metta,
MarkMarkParticipantHi joeymee,
I wonder why are you in love with this guy? What do you get out of this relationship? What about him that you love?Mark
MarkParticipantJen, I have a guy friend who has an anxious attachment style (Google attachment styles for further explanation). He keeps getting into relationships but gets anxious about keeping it. He self destructs. This comes from his family-of-origin (doesn’t most everything?). I believe he cannot be in an intimate, romantic relationship until he addresses it through therapy or some other means that addresses this underlying anxiety issue.
So for you feeling lonely even if you are with him, that you want him to fill a void, and that you have been in such a situation before all points to dealing with your issue. You are reaching out for strategies for letting go and not being so anxious. My take is that your issue is best addressed with a therapist rather using online advice. Good for you to recognize what is going on with yourself now and reaching out for help.
Mark
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