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  • #189681
    marco
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    @anita its real easy will take you 3 minutes. Theres a really important aspect which I can only discuss privately.

    1. go to reddit and create an account

    2. verify the account by clicking on the link they email to you

    3. once verified, login and look for the link ‘send a private message’ (you get to it by clicking on the little mail icon in the top right after you login)

    4. search for me by my username marco1945

    5. send me a message, I will reply.

    #189635
    marco
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    @anita did you post on reddit?

    #189513
    marco
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    @miranda @anita @ VJ …situation has deteriorated.. I don’t wish to discuss on a public forum. can you private message me on reddit username is marco1945 find me on reddit…please.

     

     

    #189511
    marco
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    @anita. @VJ …I need your  wisdom, urgently can you message me privately.

    #184177
    marco
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    @anita, Thank you for all your advice it is very reassuring. God bless you.

    #184139
    marco
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    @anita – I don’t want to lead you on just my side of story so I am trying to present only facts and remain objective but your comments do mirror a lot what my wife also thinks.

    My wife is dutiful to me and has made me a better man and made a great family environment for our children where they flourish. My wife has a close circle of friends who respect her greatly, I respect her greatly, her own family respect her greatly it just seems to be my own blood family that has this hostility towards her.

    When we were living with my parents, I didn’t detect the hostility as I should have, I was a new father, husband and working trying to build a career. Men are not as perceptive to these things as women so it came as a shock to me the first time these issues blew up and the resentments showed themselves and maybe I didn’t do enough to protect my wife at the time, which I regret. I do recall raising my voice to both sisters on separate occasions when they were making complaints to me and my parents, the complaints seemed to be always returning to the behaviour of my wife and myself to my parents and how disrespectful we were to them or so they believed, something my mother did not seem to do much to dispel at the time, although my father did tell them to stop their behaviour.

    There is in our culture, a belief that the blood family comes first and the wife is secondary, the daughter in-law is not given the same value as the son in-law. That is not a view I take. I believe all people have their place and their rights and all are to be respected.

    This cultural aspect however plays me into a guilt trap. I feel tremendously guilty if I don’t maintain relationships with my blood family but at the same time I can’t agree to their conditions.  So I am in this dilemma. On the one hand the guilt of not visiting family on my own on the other the injustice towards my wife if I do so.

    On my part I have said to my parents, all family are welcome in my house as long as the comments are slurs are to be buried where they belong, in the past. However,  I can’t continue relations of visiting people under conditions which exclude my wife.

    It has been 8 months since I last visited my sister which was the time the slurs were made to my wife. The only regular contact I have now is with my mother whose latest advice was to go and visit my sisters and sort things out, but I know they are not going to change their position, they are adamant they want my wife excluded from the blood family. I think my sister after making those slurs when we were guests in her house is now too embarrassed and cowardly to apologise and it is easier for her to entrench her position and reinforce her belief my wife is ‘evil’ and she should be excluded from the family, the other sister with her opinionated spouse seems too willing to follow suit.

    The more I think about it, I don’t think the issue is with my wife, I think it is with me and I have more enemies within the family then I thought. Spouses who feel they have been slighted or are envious. It is interesting that one of my sisters spouses questioned my right to live ‘free’ and how he had to pay his own mortgage in his own house, maybe the whispering of envy in their ears added fuel to their already burning fires. I am not sure, and don’t want to go down the slippery road of suspicion and paranoia, wondering and trying to figure out everyones agenda’s.

    What can I do to find peace or  I am just being naive and it is simply not possible in this circumstance? Should I just let it go, let the years drift by, visit my parents, make peace with my guilt and focus on my own wife and children?

    #184091
    marco
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    @VJ – Thank you so much for your lengthy and carefully constructed advice. You are indeed right that my ego is involved in this also and it is I that feel hurt and betrayed in this situation and it is right you thinking that if only I could get past my own feelings the situation could move forward. But here is the problem, in the past it has always been who has been the one to move things forward and each time afterwards the issues have become greater, finally arriving at where we are today. Why would things be any different in the future, the past is a great teacher.

    The only bitterness in the relationship now remains between your sisters and your wife.

    This is where I think you may be mistaken, I feel the bitterness towards my wife is just a symptom of deeper issues, their own insecurities and feelings of inferiority coming into play. I think they have bitterness towards me also and my wife is the easier target to cause me pain. They must understand there conditions and actions would cause me pain?

    At some point, have to say enough! this is not acceptable, these conditions are not acceptable and draw a line in the sand. It is difficult for me and I believe the easy thing to do would be to carry on as normal with my sisters and put my wife in the background but deep down I don’t feel this is right.

    I was there when slurs and insults were directed at my wife and saw the misplaced hatred with my own eyes, how can I go along with their conditions, which will only serve to reinforce their views that they are correct. This course will only breed resentment within my wife and become an issue in our marriage. I know you talk about the ‘now‘ but how do you consider the future could unfold in a positive way when you accept and follow an injustice. What if this leads to a separation between myself and my wife, are my sisters going to care for me? Will they be there for me in my old age? What will become of my children? Would exercising patience and letting life take its course be the right way to go?

    Interested to know your thoughts…

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    @Anita
    – My wife and I lived with my parents and the relationship between my mother and my sister is far stronger than the relationship between my wife and my mother. I do believe my mother over the years when we lived with my parents unwittingly supplied my sister with ammunition that is being used against my wife today. In our culture there are families that do not get along and they live to these conditions of spouses accepting they are not welcome in certain family members houses and that is the narrative my sisters are suggesting and one my mother initially supported.

    I  rejected these conditions because I don’t believe in following bad examples. We should aspire to follow good examples and not consider to be like those who live under such negative conditions.

    I believe my parents are reassuring my sisters to find a solution also but they are being rebuffed, my sisters accuse my parents of favouritism towards me and reject their advice and instead promote their conditions to my parents to be the way we should proceed. Each time, I explain to my parents this is not correct they understand the bigger picture of how living under these conditions could be harmful but then they again are pushed the narrative of how other people live like this and why can’t we?

    It is interesting you spotted the role of the parents. We lived with my parents and we were constantly put under pressure and made to feel like free-loaders and disrespectful whilst we lived under their roof, not just by my sisters but their spouses as well, who remarked about how we were not standing on our own two feet and saving money. Maybe there was envy?

    When we moved to our own house we were accused of abandoning my parents and the old stories of how they believed we behaved (in their eyes) with disrespect are constantly bought up and raked over whenever it suits their agenda.

    I believe my sisters would like me and wife to still be living with my parents and be able to continue their controlling behaviour over me and my wife. Now we are in our own house they don’t have that anymore. Its notable they refuse to now visit me in my own house as well.

    I feel more and more my wife is the innocent victim in all this and the real target of their hatred is me or more specifically my actions, which may be the simple action of getting married and in their eyes prioritising my wife and children over them by moving away and living peacefully in my own house.

    Interested to know your thoughts..

     

    • This reply was modified 7 years ago by marco.
    #183961
    marco
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    Anita, thank you for your reply.  Your advice is helpful in as far as it affirms that I am not unreasonable to have taken the position I have to protect my wife.

    I am however from an Italian culture and here in Italy the blood family is considered very important. I would like to find a way to get past this issue, the current situation is not tolerable for me or my parents who could do without the stress of this situation at their age.

    If my blood family is refusing to back down that leaves me in exile. Time may be a healer but as time goes on people are becoming more entrenched in their positions and it could be many years before healing takes place. The children who used to mix, no longer see each other and the pressure on me grows day by day.

    My sisters clearly have a deep projected hatred for my wife, the depth of which I find hard to understand, maybe it is unjust anger and/or jealousy, whatever it maybe, how to get past it escapes me. The cause of it is complex and certainly my sisters respective spouses don’t seem to have made any move to reach out towards a solution either, do they also hate my wife or is it me they hate and hope to punish for some act of injustice they perceive that I may have subjected on them?

    This act of exclusion of my wife is one of humiliation and ultimate disrespect and something I deplore so much to have been subjected to that I feel repulsed at the thought of seeking reconciliation with those that would deploy such an action. But for the sake of my parents and my own soul, reconciliation I must find.

    Agreeing to their terms would be giving in to injustice, not agreeing continues a situation that only magnifies as time goes on and it may go on for many years by which time any thoughts of reconciliation will not even be entertained and the years in which families should have shared experiences will be nothing but vacant spaces in photo albums.

    I ask again where do I go from here?

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