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September 17, 2013 at 6:59 pm in reply to: Controlling an unhealthy obsession and dependence on someone #42384KinnyParticipant
Confused,
I could relate to some of the things you described. I second Matt’s suggestions of taking notes of what he does that makes you feel good and starting to do them for yourself. In life, there are no guarantees that the people who love you will always be that perceptive, and even if they are it’s not their job to do that for you. For me, I try to do everything possible to take care of myself physically, mentally and emotionally. Whatever my lovers, friends and family give me is icing on the cake, but I don’t feel like I’m sad or disappointed if they don’t do those things or don’t have time for them. Whenever I wait for someone to give me something or do things for me to make me happy, I find it doesn’t work. If I do it for myself, then it’s guaranteed.
From my experience, coming from dysfunction, it was very easy for me to feel hurt when my family wasn’t perceptive and/or giving. Eventually I got used to be ignored or repeating myself. As I entered more relationships, I found myself getting overly attached to anyone who showed me kindness like what you described. It’s wasn’t healthy how much power I gave that person over my well being, and it neediness usually doesn’t come across as attractive. Just some thoughts to consider. I don’t know how much of my experience resonates with you, but it sounded familiar to me. It also concerns me that you feel like you can’t live without him. Just think, you were okay before him, and you will be okay after him. No one on this earth is here to take care of you, except you. Try to pamper yourself like a princess and make it so no one could possibly take care of you better than you already do.
Concerning your friendship, personally I would practice taking care of yourself first. I like having difficult conversations when I’m feeling peaceful inside and centered. Search for things that make you feel like that. If you decide you still want to have a conversation, I find that telling the person all the reasons why I’m afraid to have a conversation and then say “but I want to be honest with you” or “I want to clear the air.” For example, tell him that you aren’t sure how to say it, but that you need to be vulnerable about something. You could also mention that you are afraid of being honest because you don’t want your friendship to change or for things to be awkward, but that you want to clear the air.
Best of luck ! Keep us posted!
KinnyParticipantHey Ke,
I used to be a a natural and extreme extrovert and now I’m an extreme introvert. From my experiences, anything that leaves you feeling drained and listless isn’t meant for you. Perhaps you are just introverted or maybe you just haven’t found your kind of people who *get* you. I think relationships are healthiest when they aren’t based on needing each other to fulfill emotional voids. At times I’ve hung out with people to give them a shot, or to get out of the house more, or because they needed a friend, or because I thought maybe I was just too picky. I don’t think you can be sure of things unless you try, but overall I’ve learned that although relating to all kinds of people is a great skill and has taught me a lot, sometimes I would rather just be by myself.
As a general rule of thumb if I’m watching the clock and a minute seems like an hour, I’m probably not where I’m supposed to be. Alternatively when I lose track of time I’m probably found something special that I should stick with.
To answer your original question, I think we all need mirrors, experiences and relationships to grow. I think other people give you another dimension of self awareness which cannot be achieved alone. Plus, what you hate about yourself someone else could find endearing and something that comes naturally to you might be a lesson someone else is trying to understand. The natural give and take of an edifying relationship is exponentially freeing. I enjoy finding people who get me. I think of them as puzzle pieces who I can help and fit in certain ways and vice versa. If it takes me a while to find those puzzle pieces, I’ve learned to be okay with that.
KinnyParticipantLester,
Two things came to mind while reading this thread. In my experience, your “why” is important. It’s what determines how far you will go and what will make you continue. If you get rich so you can take care of a sickly child, then you will might stop killing yourself at work if that child dies or alternatively you might be willing to lie and cheat a stranger to save your child. If you are doing it just to prove it to yourself, then maybe no amount of money will be enough. If you marry a woman because she is beautiful, why not divorce her and marry someone younger when her beauty fades? Or maybe you’ll marry a beautiful woman who you really love only to have her leave you for someone richer. You can travel the world to impress people or be accomplished only to find out you don’t even like or want to be around the people you started out impressing. I don’t think these things are bad in and of themselves, but some people find this way of life empty if these are the only things you live for. I realize that there are a lot of “ifs” and “buts”, and that’s my point. There are no guarantees and, there are a trillion variables. What I’ve come to learn is that oftentimes people don’t even know what it takes to *really* make them happy until they take this usual route and find out that it’s not all what they thought it would be.
I think if money, beautiful partners and travel were fulfulling then people in Hollywood wouldn’t have affairs, divorces, have mental illness, ever be single, struggle with addictions and all their children would turn out perfect. Rock stars wouldn’t die at twenty seven.
Unfortunately, money can’t bring back a person who has died; you can’t bribe anyone to let you change your past or take away things you regret.
People who have it all still have problems or feel empty knowing that they should be happy but that it just doesn’t do it for them.There is a quote I like, “From the outside looking in you can’t understand it, and from the inside looking out you can’t explain it.” By all means, see if it works for you! I think it’s something no one else can tell you, you have to experience it. There are no shortcuts to understanding something firsthand.
I’ve traveled and from my experience you can be in paradise but it means nothing if you hate the people around you, you can have more money than you’ve ever had and that can’t change your childhood or change a friend who wants to self destruct, and you can date models only to find out that they don’t make you light up or that they have issues just like everyone else.
Good luck! If it works out for you, buy me a drink!
- This reply was modified 11 years, 3 months ago by Kinny.
KinnyParticipantI think wisdom is learning the correct lessons from your failures and successes. Judgement is seeing the similarities of the past and present, whereas learning is seeing the possible distinctions.
KinnyParticipant1. I am Judy Judy on pot; a keen intuition and sense of discernment,but relaxed. In order to keep things interesting, when i first date someone my first conversation with them entails me telling them to ask me three questions: one to make me think, one to make me laugh, and one to make me blush. Lastly, I’m not a vegetarian because I love meat, I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.
2. I love reading quotes. I’m pretty sure I found it on google searching for quotes on forgiveness.
3. Oh man…go on YouTube and type in “Weird Girl Dancing”. Nuf said!!!
4. If they were from here, I would take them to my favorite reservior and then my favorite raw place.
5. I am working on learning mind reading and American sign language.
KinnyParticipantI’ve been listening to Bryan Tracey’s “Eat That Frog” book. He has a lot of great suggestions on thought work which have helped me tremendously. I’m pretty sure I found it on YouTube first and then I found it on audible.com.
KinnyParticipantI remember when my fiance cheated on me while I was on a month long business trip, I agonized over why and how it all came about. When I got back, I didn’t demand an explanation or apology from him because I figured no matter what the problem was, cheating wasn’t the answer. I bring this up because you can’t control what other people do, but you can control if you obsess over it or not.
Trust me, my breakup was very public and humiliating, but what I learned the hard way is that for me, talking doesn’t resolve feelings. The best advice a friend gave to me was, “Well, what do you need in order to get over it?” I wish I invested more time in figuring that out instead of trying to figure out someone who was acting on their weak, cowardly or human side was thinking. No matter what your ex’s reasons are, you still need to figure out how to cope in a productive way. Pretend his reasons don’t matter, because they don’t. People who are meant for you don’t treat you like that. A year after my break up, I met someone who put him to shame. You never know. Plus, if you get over him and he doesn’t want to be with you, you are on an even playing field; Or you could get over him and he could come back and realize it was a mistake. Either way it’s in your best interest to invest in figuring out what makes you happy.
I recently read the book called Do One Thing Different by Bill O’Hanlon which I found very helpful.
There is a french saying for good luck and have courage: Bon Courage!
KinnyParticipantHi Jeff, I went through a similar time in my life. I’ll share my experience in hopes that you can get the sense how I can relate.
Two years ago my fiance cheated on me. All my friends knew about it, it happened while I was on a month long trip and no one wanted to get involved. I found out through an acquaintance on facebook the night before I returned. I was in a tight knit group and we all worked together, so I stayed professional even though I wanted answers and to be validated somehow. I ended up learning that all the fun people who were my friends were mostly gossipers and fence sitters. I was also in a toxic work environment, but also felt that I had to stay due to debt and was not able to leave without putting myself in a bad spot. I stayed, told myself that if I was stronger and more positive I could handle this. I got kicked in the teeth every which way professionally and lost promotions to people who partied more, wore shorter skirts or slept with the right people. After a year of getting more beatened down most of my friends gave up on me. I was grateful to have one person who was still there for me. One night I told her I was suicidal when I had a panic attack and she changed the topic to her Harvard interview, so I stopped talking to her. A week later my mom died. That all happened within a year. To this day my closest friends have no idea that mom died.
I’ve had a lot of things to reflect upon this past year; How I felt so guilty that I spent the last year of my mom’s life telling her how much I hated people, how I can’t blame my ex on all the things that didn’t go my way, how I wish I could have let go of the resentments sooner, etc.
If I could have told myself anything during that time, it would have been that as long as you try your best and keep your integrity, you will have nothing to regret. When bad things happen, it doesn’t necessarily mean you deserve it or that you are a bad person or that you made stupid decisions. Sometimes life just happens. When life gives you bad situations, just don’t make it worse for yourself. I didn’t exercise while I was in the toxic work environment and I blew a ton of money after my mom died.
While you are going through it, pretend you are a writer and try to imagine why someone would *want* this situation. For example, my mom and I had an estranged relationship for the majority of my life, but we reconciled for the last five. I beat myself up for telling her how much I hated people until a mother I spoke to told me how she was probably grateful that I needed her. That toxic job I hated allowed me to send my dad on a tropical vacation after my mom’s death which helped him have something to look forward to. I would have traded a decade of my life at a horrible job if I knew I could have given my dad a gift like that at that particular time. After that year I resolved to learn how to get over things as quickly as possible and how to cope with things better.
Lastly, I don’t have kids, but the one thing I would want to instill in them is not that I can protect them from everything or make everything perfect, but that I can be an example of how to cope well with anything. Find a different way to look at things. This may all sound trite, but an idea is just an idea until you believe it. We as humans have limited understanding and sometimes from our vantage point everything seems so meaningless. There are other ways to approach this, you can make your own shortcut if you can figure that out.
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