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December 12, 2015 at 6:42 am #89542LibelullaParticipant
June, ‘from the outside’ is still what you are seeing or think others are seeing.
I have felt the same as you described, but I am not jealous or envious of this woman, I was just reacting to her refusal by pushing back in the same way.
‘You are going to judge me? Then I am going to judge you.’ or ‘You want to judge me, then let me show you how great I am, how much better I am than you.’
This reaction only made me feel guilty and think I was the bad one, I was the envious one.
I suddenly became the victim and the executioner all in one.When I say envious of myself I know it is confusing. It is something I am working out within myself.
It is as if i have a side of me – the critical analytical perfectionist – that is envious of the other side of me – the creative, free spirit. I have to accept both and find a meeting point where I am not battling myself, just accepting the two sides. When I can approach that I believe that nothing from the outside will be able to hurt me. It will just pass through and I will observe it for what it is and let it go.December 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm #89476LibelullaParticipantNot at all Anita. I am not criminalizing this natural need. I am happy to have this new awareness of myself and to be able to place these feelings and not be ashamed of them as I have hurt mostly myself as you say in your post. I realize that I want to move away from this narcissism not because I feel bad or at fault, but because I am finally realizing that it has not served me well at all. It has rendered me inauthentic, over analytical and sometimes envious of myself (!). I have had this persecutor in me that I have accommodated way too long.
December 11, 2015 at 12:20 am #89439LibelullaParticipantI found this article on the sight with some good points.
December 10, 2015 at 11:45 pm #89438LibelullaParticipantRightly so, Anita, it is about working on things and not necessarily getting everything right all the time. For me the awareness and the ability to place myself first is what was important last night. It worked as much as I gave myself the space to be myself. I have to say that I felt more comfortable than I have in a long time. I felt more self possessed and less vulnerable to the stares and comments. Afterwards, I had minimal reactions of what before was a torment of going over all that was said and the glances and faces etc. I feel that in small doses of this woman I can slowly work on ‘putting her in her place’ within me and use the same technique for future narcissistic mothers I may encounter.
I was surprised by where my thoughts took me with these posts. I realized that there is a part of me that is narcissistic, that needs to be accepted, liked and admired by all and this is what pushes me to prostrate myself to those who accept me the least. The realization of this to me is already a great step in the direction of being more self accepting. It is okay for people not to like us and that does not reduce us in any way.December 9, 2015 at 3:29 pm #89317LibelullaParticipantThank you, Anita. Writing in this forum has helped me a lot.
There is a Christmas event tonight at which this woman will be and this exchange has given me the necessary insight to feel more calm and confident in being in her presence without feeling that I owe anything to her…but only so much to myself.
I am glad that I was able to share my feelings and get help to think things out. I feel more ready, I am taking that little girl’s hand and saying “let’s go, don’t be afraid, I will be there to support you. You do not have to do anything but be your beautiful self.”December 9, 2015 at 5:31 am #89295LibelullaParticipantIt is not always easy. I write this now, but I can only hope to apply it consistently.
I like the idea of ‘going to self sympathy’ and in order to do that I have to stop thinking that I have to put on a show for people, fill voids with chatter and ‘smile all the time’. Once I pause, I give myself space and I can go to that place of self-sympathy and realize…I do not need to respond to this person’s refusal. It is about her not about me. I can only thank her internally for having made me aware of my own narcissism and my need to please everyone, to be accepted and loved by everyone. Such a hard position to maintain. I would be much more content rather to be loved by a few, but love with all my flaws and ambiguities. No more theatrics, no more building altars for people who cannot accept me for what I am…Including myself, that part of me that is so hard on me, that has so many expectations, so many needs and makes my days laborious and heavy with analytical thoughts. Lots of work ahead.December 9, 2015 at 5:20 am #89294LibelullaParticipantI think her refusal fuels my narcissism. This idea that I have to be liked, I have to be accepted, I have to be loved.
When I can say this is who I am, take it or leave it, then I set a limit to my narcissism. People like this woman can no longer affect me if I do not give them the authority to validate me because I am as I am and I have already accepted that I am not going to be liked by everyone.December 7, 2015 at 3:47 pm #89178LibelullaParticipantAnita, it is processing the emotions that is hard work!
It could be that I have amplified this woman’s dislike for me because I have projected my distrust and fear of rejection on her.
I will persist with protecting my inner child and keep clear of the people who want to hurt her…including myself. At times I believe we are our worst enemy. The persecutor within whispering in our ear all the abuse and hatred we have accumulated in a life time…the ticker tape scrolling in our minds. This is what I am fighting. The feeling of being a fraud because I was never validated and not always being capable of validating myself in front of the inner and outer persecutor.December 7, 2015 at 10:54 am #89147LibelullaParticipantThank you for your responses, Inky and Anita.
My intuition tells me to avoid her and I have done so physically for some time. The problem is my mind seems to go in a spin there is a mention of her in a group or specifically when I know that there will be an occasion in which I have to see her.
As both of you suggested, I always act politely towards her, but I have learned to not share too much with her and be as neutral as possible. Anita, I will work hard to avoid the people pleaser perm-grin, as I know it well, around her. Your comments were spot on as I have a mother who did not recognize anything about herself in me and was not very affectionate with me at all. Maybe it is this very mother figure that this woman in question brings to mind. Judgmental, critical, envious and unhappy with herself. I cannot be sure of what her issues are, but I know what my mother’s were and this, this searching for answers, for authenticity and freedom from other’s stare and what it implies, is all about me. Only about me. I am the only one that can work this out and it is not about being in the wrong as both of you pointed out, it is about not letting others make us feel shame for who we are.
Thank you both for your insight. -
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