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I hesitate to voice strong opinions because I am afraid of being wrong. I tend to put famous people such as Jung on pedestals and believe a lot of what they say without thorough questioning. I admire your stance on this. Your self-esteem is higher than mine. That is clear.
jockParticipantthanks anita again
jockParticipantYou need to start again from scratch somewhere in a completely different scenario. You need to really work hard on self-forgiveness. Make it a priority. When you wake up in the morning, the first thing you say to yourself. “I”m OK.I accept and approve of myself.”
No physically intimate relationships for a year.(my opinion)
Create a new daily pattern of good habits and some self-discipline. No need to become regimented. Be gentle with yourself. Realise that you are not the only one who has f****ed up in life. All of us have in different ways. Just we are either hiding it or are in denial.
Renewal and transformation are possible in religions such as Christianity and Buddhism I believe. These may be good options to consider.I am trying to love and approve of myself and have some self-discipline in daily life. But there are bad days when I slip back. I try not to beat myself up. We are all struggling like you, to find true happiness. And that starts by truly forgiving yourself for past mistakes. Good on you for coming clean on this forum anyway. That should help.
Good luck.jockParticipantthanks moongal
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Junged out Jack
Yeah that’s closer to the truth than Llama Jack.
That’s very humble of you Anita.I see Jung as a challenge though. For me personally I’m attracted to something I don’t quite understand.
I hope you’re wrong about him. I really do.- This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by jock.
jockParticipantI’ve gone through periods when alcohol was my main addiction. I used it for a variety of reasons. one was to lose inhibitions in order to find it easier to talk to women. But also an anti-social phase, when I just wanted to numb the brain cells each night to stop that damned chatter in my head usually about those “awful” people at work and how dare they treat me so bad.
But as you say the vicious cycle goes into gear.. Hangover, struggle to get out of bed. Get hungry, eat take away food. No nutritional awareness. Burgers and chips being the staple. So naturally increased waistline. Lethargy, no exercise, more negative self-talk and slowly but surely erosion of self-esteem to zero and anxiety levels going through the roof. I bet if someone did a graph to show correlation between high anxiety and low self-esteem , it would be quite revealing. Like the economist’s demand and supply curve?
But alcohol is just another addiction. Well it was for me anyway. I was a serious gambler, a 40 pack a day smoker, 10 hour a day mah-jong player,a daily tramadol user. Not heavy drugs on that list I’m relieved to say but overall not a list to be proud of.
Addictions are a part of life. Just make sure you have a relatively healthy one such as exercise or religion. Moderation is also another alternative which I have managed with alcohol now.- This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by jock.
jockParticipantLove your idea about creating another character, another voice.
I’m thinking one who is like a smart lawyer defending my case.
“hey you guys, he’s trying.he just lost his confidence. He is made of different stuff than you anyway. He’ll work out eventually. Give him a break! And who made you judge and jury anyway?is your life so perfect?”Good thanks great!
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Have read some C S Lewis. Being an ex elem. school teacher I did L. W. and Wardrobe. Also read Mere Christianity for older readers.
Campbell is one guy I’ve baulked at so far for some reason. His voice on Youtube sounds kind of haughty. (that was on Zen Buddhism). But I admit his stuff on myths must be important reading.jockParticipantOh god this thread is starting to confuse me now. Anita, I have to stop pretending I understand Jung, don't I.
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jockParticipantBefore that billy cart, you did not feel valuable, otherwise you wouldn’t have identified your (lack of) handyman skills with being a worthy person
Anita bingo! That’s exactly right!
jockParticipantYeah maybe some correlation to Llama Jack but my older brothers were like surrogate fathers to me. I mean my father was a nice guy but often absent due to work. My older brothers words were so important to me. When they criticised me I felt crushed. Their voices are still inside my head now even at 57. When I make a bad decision I hear their voices ringing in my head. “See I told you, you were an imbecile. You idiot!” I live in a different city to the rest of my family now. I’ve been out of work for a while but I dare not tell them. They will judge me I know.
I have a sensitive disposition too which makes it worse.
Meditation is helping me a bit but really I need some intensive therapy to address this and other stuff. I know the people who are tough in the real world and hold down stable jobs all their lives, are deep down just as screwed up as me. Just they are better at hiding it.jockParticipantre movie “a dangerous method”.
I think I would prefer a documentary that focussed on Jung’s life. This is more about his affair with one particular patient, isn’t it?
Possibly Jung learns to embrace his dark side, by relinquishing monogamy. I’m kind of disappointed he had to do this almost for the sake of research (it seems like an excuse though for infidelity)jockParticipantIndividuation[edit]
Jung considered individuation, a psychological process of integrating the opposites including the conscious with the unconscious while still maintaining their relative autonomy, necessary for a person to become whole.[38] Individuation is a process of transformation whereby the personal and collective unconscious is brought into consciousness (by means of dreams, active imagination or free association to take some examples) to be assimilated into the whole personality. It is a completely natural process necessary for the integration of the psyche to take place.[39
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Besides achieving physical and mental health,[39] people who have advanced towards individuation tend to be harmonious, mature and responsible. They embody humane values such as freedom and justice and have a good understanding about the workings of human nature and the universe.[38]
from Wikipedia re definition of individuation
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jockParticipantI remember when I was about 8 or 9, My neighbour (about 7 years old) was able to help me, build a billy cart.The word “help” is a misnomer. he did it all by himself.I can remember thinking to myself how impressed my older brother will be to be fooled into thinking I could contribute some practical skill into our invention, when I was mechanically dyslexic in fact. My older bother was very mechanically minded and I was afraid he would be belittle me about such things. I have always had a mental block when it comes to fixing something or being a handyman in life. It traces back to this moment, a fear of my sibling’s harsh words.
jockParticipantHey Anita I could be wrong about individuation coming in later life. I also researched some stuff by James Hollis, a Jungian Analyst who wrote about mid -life crisis “The Middle Passage”.
So I’m no expert. Maybe someone else can clarify for us.
To simplify “the shadow” concept, isn’t the story about Dr Jekyl and Mr.Hyde the best example? -
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