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Katrine NielsenParticipant
Hi Tee,
Yes, she was celebrating twice once at my parents house (and my dad’s birthday, a two day event where her and her boyfriend stayed with us) and then a week later she celebrated her birthday where everybody from my region were invited apart from me. It was the first birthday where I wasn’t there and I knew that it probably wouldn’t look good to others if I didn’t show. On her actual birthday me and my mom (she had a day off work) went to the city to do some shopping and my dad had planned to go out and do some stuff with his brother (who is rarely home) and she called my mom and got really angry that we didn’t drive the two hours down to celebrate. But we had already celebrated her birthday so we didn’t see any need for us to do it again.
It felt very like a case of two evils because as you said my anxiety around her is too high and I wouldn’t have enjoyed it, and she clearly didn’t want us there. I have to deal with a lot of feelings around betrayal when it comes to her. She even tried talking my parents into having my cat put down (I’m a huge animal lover) she has allergy so the couple of times the would come to visit we had to clean the entire house and keep my cat in another room. But she didn’t like that.
I have heard a lot from other people (that girl, and my dad and other people) about me being the bad person. I was soo relieved after his 30th birthday party, I did so well and talked with his siblings like I had know them for a long time and then the horror when I heard what she told my dad. growing up I wasn’t really allowed to talk about the positive things I experienced because she would feel jealoux (because I have better mobility and can travel and do stuff she can’t) but when I wasn’t feeling well she would have it worse. My parents would rather let her have her way so to avoid those tantrums. I can’t say I blame them, the mental load dealing with her in those situations, you could spend half a day trying to calm her down, and when you are exhausted you just don’t have the capacity.
Yes I would say that my dad seem detached I think it comes from his own childhood. My grandmother wasn’t very easy to be around, and when it was me my sister and my mom who got the worst treatment from her to the point we didn’t want anything to do with her he thought we were exaggerating. And then she started talking it out on him and he too didn’t want any contact with her.
My mom is listening way more to me now. She is still in denial about a lot of her behaviour (exactly like I was) making excusses for her behaviour. But she has started showing more understanding to my situation and I think that the fact that neither me or my sister living at home has been very good for there mental health. They seem to have more ressources now.
I’m gonna take your advise about dealing with my sister. I am only going home for a few days and I don’t want to spend them dysregulated and anxious, I really want to have a good time and enjoy the holidays as I hope you and Anita also will have.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
Yeah my parents were exhausted from dealing with my sister, so the didn’t have any recoursses left to deal with me being sick as well. Thf doctors did tell them that i would probably develope some sort of anxiety as a result of my sister being sick and the took my to a psycologist but didn’t really get any treatment apart from people forcing me to do exposure therapy which made it worse. My mom can’t talk about my sister illness(back when it was worst) without tearing up. She also has a lot of guilt that i be came sick.
She wanted me to come to her house to net her new boyfriend (when i was really sick) which I kindly declined because i couldn’t leave the house and when meeting a new member of the family you don’t want to be there making a bad empression when anxious and depressed. The next day i got the phone call from another girl saying oh your just passive aggressiv and trying to hurt your sister.
A couple of months later we went into lockdown and she was yelling because she was afraid that he would leave since they couldn’t visit each other. Then the final straw was me setting a boundary (to make it short at our hourse and eat cake at another place) she invited some people to come fix something at my parents but my mom was stressed and I was sick do thought having cake another place as a thank you to the guy fixing it would have helped my mom. Then she snappede and yelled she felt there was something in the tone of my voice (there wasn’t) and all hell broke loose. So me trying to help my mom actually made everything way worse, and ny dad refused to believe that there wasn’t anything in the tone of my voice. Her boyfriend wasn’t part of this it was the girl who made the angry phone call and I guy to fix something in the house.
No I wasn’t invited to her birthday everybody from my region was invited down to her place (they moved in together before this) but she excluded me under the pretext that we celebrate both her and ny dads birthday together. So my parents didn’t see it as me being excluded but rather a practical thing. My sister never wanted to share her birthday party with him before.
Your right he has barely had a chance to know me, so trying to show off my personality and that i am not a bad person would help.
Yeah lot’s of succes lately socially and more to come, been so busy so sorry for my very late reply.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, very much so. I feel a lot of grief in the fact that I don’t have a relationship with my sister any more. Going from putting my life and health aside to now only speaking together when we have to. Especially now i have a nephew, it really hurts most of the conversation goes through our parents and my mom was devasteted when i told her i am keeping my distance now.
I can definitly tell my brain works differently now I can’t do simple maths, or multitask the way I used to and my memory is really bad. It’s the new normal that i have had to accept.
Your right relationship with other people is healing. The guy I was with earlier this year did soo much good for me. And staying together at a hotel (instead of the hostel) was the first time in many years that i actually was able to get a decent nights sleep. It was amazing like my nervous system knew I was safe to sleep with him next to me.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
Yes, I have made excusses for her behaviour over and over again but didn’t realiser it. My best friend kept telling me the same as you, she isn’t in that bad shape when she can live on her own and do all those things including treating other people nicely. And I kept telling people how close we were, but didn’t realise that I was just catering to her every need instead of having a balance healthy relationship.
And with the baby being that much work, he will have to do more work than i think he realise.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Roberta,
Yes, it’s really hard to break free of. So many different patterns to unlearn and I am exhausted. Don’t feel like I have had a break in years, and after reciving the right diagnosis (finally!) it’s like starting all over again which is a bit overwhelming to say the least.
Thank you so much for your best wishes
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita and Tee,
Sorry for that I can see the confusion. My sister (I only have the one) lived at home on more than one occasion, one after the concusion where she needed full time care from all of us. In 2020 she had to move back in due to finacial issues and then again temporarely because she sprained her ancle and needed help, she received a welfare support type that wasn’t high enough to support a living and her medical bills, medication and treatment. In 2020 she was granted a different type of welfare support that meant that she was able to get her own place. She then met her current boyfriend online and after about 6 months they started planning moving in together which they did some months after that. She announced the pregnancie two days before my birthday before the 12 week mark. Her brain injury causes her to only have some functioning hours a day and she can only work around ten hours a week. The damage on her brain cuases extreme painful nonstop migranes, difficulties with her vision, and permantly nerve damage (i think they called it) in her legs so she needs botox to help stop the pain but it doesn’t last that long. If she is standing for too long or sitting she will collapse, which she did once I was at an event with her.
The tantrum she had where she started rolling around on her floor and my mother broke down was due to several things, she mas mad that I was sick and put myself first, our region was put on complete lockdown and her new boyfriend was living a two hour drive away, so she was panicking that he would end up leaving her and then she wouldn’t have children, and the final straw was me trying to put down my foot. Then everything exploded she yelled at me, then my parents I did everything that I had read about dealing with conflict (i hate conflict my anxiety goes straight up) stay calm and use I statements trying to deescalate but it didn’t work. She stormed out of there yelling, and she hasn’t contacted me unless it is neccesary. My dad then took over the mental load of dealing with me sister and driving her to all her appointments which we all share resposiblílity for before. My dad had retired at this point and my mom was on the verge of a stress breakdown with everything about the pandemic and stuff
She will have a lot of tantrums. When she is in extreme pain she will roll around pulling her hair or stabbing herself with something sharp (like a ppencil or other) to distract herself from the pain in her head. We would then have to hide her pain medicin so she wouldn’t end up taking an overdose. And then there is tghe tantrums where she doesn’t get her way, that is in a way our own fault because we never told her no, one therepist helping me with my anxiety (tapping techniques) told me to beware that once you start putting down boundaries she won’t take it lightly. That was hard because one thing is to be screamed at for putting your own life and health first, but she would then direct her anger to my parents and then it would drag them down making me feel really bad.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I hope you are feeling better now and that you don’t have to deal with any side affects of it. Covid is really hard on your body.
Well Y is here in Europe on a two year visa so she can travel and work at the same time, he has been doing the same thing working and traveling wanting to see as many countries as possible, she has been on three different holidays since she started working here in late april and is going on another one to different countries in january. She can be a bit impulsive as X said and she spends a lot of money drinking and not thinking about how ekspensible it is to travel for longer periods of time. I don’t think anything romantic is going on between them, my guy collegue and the two girls who also works the bar and have seen them there as a group getting absolutely hammered and he would (when he gets really drunk) make out with a woman and then not see them again. They say that thay haven’t seen any flirting behaviour between the two and that he X and Y are just close friends. She has been talking about other guys (she had a guy over that stayed the night) and asked the cute guy if his friend was single. And when the cute guy came to the bar back in June and started asking about me he thought that I was still living there, but I had moved out and Y had taken my bed. But being left out and not informed definitly makes me worried and think worst case scenarios. I did the same with X they were the last persons left at her housewarming and at the staff party they got super drunk and Y danced really close with another guy at work and X danced very close with the guy I like. They are party people who sometimes gets high, he is trying to get out of that because he knows it’s bad for him.. The only person that he doesn’t gets wasted with is around me, which stupidly made me feel a bit bad (even though I am glad I’m not an enable).
I still struggling with him calling me by nickname because I really struggle with grey areas, which I know now is very common for people with trauma. I have a very black and white thinking grey areas makes me feel uncomftable, I wanna know exactly which lable to put on someone good/bad, hence why I have a tendency to cut people out of my life instead of trying to repair. If you call me by nickname then you should see me as a friend, but not inviting me to your birthday but inviting the new people still hurts. I still would like to be his friend because we do have a lot in common and cuz I feel that we in a way do have a history together. He too has been open about his struggles and he has given me more details about it than X and Y. I think looking at him as you and Anita said as someone who is quite troubled and as Anita said people with mental illness doesn’t always see how our behaviour affects other people, so to try and not take it personally.
You are right. We both jnew that we only had a small amount of time together because of his visa, and he did say that we shouldn’t get too close since he not neccesarely would get a sponsered visa. I think it triggered a the closets I have been with a man wasn’t good enough type of wound.
The thing with the birthday party was spring last year during the pandemic, so a while ago but the day we came to see my newborn nephew in August he stilll wouldn’t look at me or hug me like he does my parents, it’s a punch in the gut every time and I’m already dreading seeing them at Christmas. It’s still weird hearing someone describe my sisters behaviour as abusive it’s definitly what I needed to hear because it makes it clear that I don’t deserve that type of behaviour. Not excussing her behaviour anymore with her being tired, or stressed only then can you put down boundaries. I just didn’t know that they would react this strongly against me to keep the peace. The not being defended when someone mistreats you was for me what hurts the most. They have been more supportive after I moved abroad and my mom is now telling to call home if I need to talk about anything that stresses me. I have told her everything about the guy, X , Y and evertything else that has been stressing me out and she let me get it out of my system. And finacially they have always helped me out, not that that errases the hurt that has been caused but it has helped me during the past months.
Some positives that has happened, we celebrated one of the new girls birthday Saturday (the one I had a coffee date with, and have another one coming up). I overheard her asking Y if the cutre guy was coming but he had an event to do that night and so couldn’t join. I felt my anxiety go up and my mind strated racing, I felt overwhelmed ( It was an insanely hectic day at work) and so started to look for excuses for me not to join them. But I stayed and I am really proud of that. I took some deep breaths and tried reframing/challenging my negative thought and the first hour or so I felt really like I was in the way and that they would have more fun without me. But after that (and the one drink I had made me tipsy) I started relaxing more and talking with people (obviously had he been there as well I would have been more anxious but it’s a start). Y asked them to come to a christmas fair on Friday she also asked me to join when I finish my shift and I accepted. I have been going out and been social three times in a couple of weeks and have more coming up, and I am gonna ask other people as well. I am sure the more I do it and am able to also have fun the easier it gets, thinking it’s better not think all or nothing, like if I don’t stay until the morning getting hammered like the others I’m a failure, and instead make a compromise, go out for some hours and have fun. That way I also help keeping my fomo at bay.
I have actually been looking for a therapist but it’s hard to find someone who deals with complex trauma. I tried therapy several times back home but we never got anywhere which really ended up making me feel more broken. My mom send me a link to someone over here and there’s a free consultation to see if she is able to help.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I’m hanging in there, how are you?
Was going to write a couple of days ago but this week has been really crazy. We had a apres ski party on Thursday for all the big clients it’s the most busy day of the year, and the entire bar gets turned into a winter wonderland. Everybody was working and no one was able to take that day off. It wasn’t an easy day for me with all those people around me, and all that was happening around me. Several things had me dysregulated.
Knowing that Y is planing on going to Canada and travel with the guy I like, but still hasn’t told me about it. Makes me wonder if we are really friends or if something is going on behind my back. I need a lot of transparency because of my trust issues so if she would have just told me about it, it wouldn’t have made my mind go crazy trying to figure out what is going on.
Seeing the guy at the aprés ski party talking and socialising with all the girls, getting their instagram (like he did before the yoga session with everyone accept me, even the ones whose name he couldn’t even remember. The only thing he said to me was if his food was ready soon. It just makes me feel like there’s is something so bad about me. Like two weeks ago or so when I was sitting in the café talking to one of the boys from work (who sat right beside me) he said good morning mate how are you? to him then talked a bit with Y, and then started making himself a tea. The tea was litterally right infront of me, but he didn’t look nor speak to me. Not until he came and ordered his food. I’m trying to tell myself that I may not be as bad as it makes me feel, and try not to think too much about it. Everybody stayed after work and partied together and had lots of pictures talken in a photobooth, which makes me feel sad that I left without having a drink with them first. But that was entirely my decision because I was really tired (still doing a lot of overtime) and didn’t want to stress my body too much.
The guy I was with earlier this year is in a new relationship. With a girl he knew from home before moving to Europe and wanting to settle here. All of his stories are about them going on dates. I stopped looking at them because it just makes me feel bad, because he never did any stories on social media with me. He is a great guy and the most stable guy I have had in my life, but after going home his life continued in a new direction and he kinda forgot about me. I know this is normal but I feel like a lost a very dear friend as well. He did wrote me about the world cup in football asking how I was doing and that he was rooting for my country. It made me happy to hear from him but sad when he didn’t reply to me asking how he was doing.
I’m going home for Christmas but am worried about seeing my sister and brother in law, I have very bad anxiety attacks being around my sister and the will probably be staying with us for a couple of days, which makes it that much harder because I can’t get away. We also have a family gathering after christmas eve and I’m gonna be (as always) the only single person there. Christmas is my absolute favorite time of the year it’s so magical and it’s always been hard that I’ve never tried spending it with someone special. Having had my hopes of a relationships broken before december three times now. So I struggle to really get in that holiday spirit.
I’m sorry your mother also acts like that. It is the hardest thing when having to deal with a person like that, that they aren’t like that with everybody. Because then no one will believe you and it leaves you alone with the pain and isolates you more. At my brother in laws 30th birthday party I was soo anxious, he has four siblings and they were all there with their partners and they still had there jobs. I was able too have fun though, talking a lot with his siblings and the conversation actually went as if we had been friends for years, that really surprised me. But then my sisters behaviour of such a loveling and caring person and they way his parents was talking about her like, who is this person? Do I really know he? when saying goodbye I couldn’t get myself to look her in the eyes I just looked down and said goodby and so joined my dad. A week later my dad got a phone call from her, she and his parents had noticed my behaviour and said that it would have consequences, I probably wouldn’t be welcome in their house again and I wasn’t going to be invited to my sisters birthday two months later. I was shocked. It was a very strong reaction in my book, and I got reactive and yelled (for the first and only time at my dad) He threathen to leave the family saying he didn’t want to have to deal with us children and all the problems anymore. I broke down crying and walked out of the hours and stayed away for hours walking a field. No wonder I am really sensitive and always trying to read people and assuming that they think bad of me.
Your right I’m not a bad person for saying no to her and think about myself also. Boundaries are really hard, but neccesary cuz I don’t have the health to deal with her anger anymore.
Sorry for the once again long rant.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, so much learning going on here so that’s really possitive. And by taking notes it makes it easier for me to wrap my head around it.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
Yes, I too feel my sister is very self centeret. One of the hardest part for me is that she is so empathetic and caring about people outside the family. I thought that she wasn’t capleble of it, because of what she has been through but seeing her treat other people so well, and then take her anger and frustration out on us, the very people who kept her alive. Is a huge betrayal. When I new friend of hers lost her dog, she showed up with presents and talked and supported her. She told me it’s really hard on that girl suffering from mental illness and then losing herdog during a pa demic. But when I told about my depression and that i was suicidal (having lost pretty much anything at that time) she just said you need to get it sorted. Never talked about it since. I also feel like something bad has been said about me behind my back, her boyfriend won’t look me in the eye when talking to me, and he hugs my parents but will only shake my hand and that doesn’t feel good.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
I’m glad to hear it because this is a really hard state to be in. I’m taking notes of what you and Tee are saying and then try applying as a rutine, to make things easier on me.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
That is true. I’m getting better at it but it’s still not easy, but I’m also receiving a lot more compliments now (living abroad comperet to back home) so practising makes it easier.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
Your right there wasn’t any rejection directed at me, but I took it that way. In settings with many people I always sit in the back so I can hide a bit, but I wanted to sit by someone I knew to help with my anxiety (and also practise being social) and he did try more than once to get us to join him so he wasn’t telling us to f.. off. I am just really sensitive in these situations, I need to practise this more. It was the same with the first time I went to the bar with him. I already felt anxious and out of my element, there was too many people around me and my back was against the exit which I don’t like (a PTSD thing) and of course the girl hitting on him. But at the pub where it ws just the two of us away from people and noise I was completely relaxed. I have been invited to two girls from work’s birthday partys on Friday I am nervous but it’s a good exerccise (and a change to have fun)
There has been so many incidents with my sister reacting very strongly and me being blamed for it. Lately with the christening, my parents usually don’t take my side in this case they did and it was really nice to try. It so hard when your walking on eggshells. Like during the pandemic I sunk into a depression so bad that I was thinking about suicide every single day, I honestly didn’t think I would survive it. My sister ask me to come to her house (with a few other people) to meet her new boyfriend but I couldn’t get out of the house (cuz of the depression) I kindly declined and the next day a girl called my and told me so your just staying away to be passive agressive and hurt your sister. That hurt. That feeling the people think that I am a bad person, especially since I spend most of my life being a people pleaser and didn’t have any boundaries cuz they made me feel selfish. Now I am learning that a boundary isn’t a no to them but a yes to myself.
The coffee date was a succes. We spend all day together and had the best time it went by so fast, and she is totally up for doing it again. So I am very happy that I asked.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
Your words feels very needed at the moment. I too struggle to receiving empathy, it feels strange and in some situations even uncomfortable cuz your not used to it.
I am very quick to jump to conclusions and there always negative, it’s really weird how different your perspective is in the two situation I really hope it gets easier for me to recognize when I start getting dysregulated so I can stop myself from doing something that I would end up regretting.
i will try and look into the SSRI if it can help ease my anxiety it could help me out a lot. And once again thank you for your kind o´words.
Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
It really has been an amazing year in many aspects I just have a tendency to focus on the negative.
I’m gonna try and pluck up the courage to see if I can ask them about New Year’s Eve. I have had more bad birthdays than good ones so it’s a very sensitive day for me.
Building my socializing muscle, I like that expression 🙂 I unfortunatly didn’t find the video(What to do when your triggered) before Friday. An x manager who just resigned asked me to join for drinks in the bar at work that day, I said yes but got extremely anxious because I knew he was going to be there and again these settings aren’t the ones I’m the most comfortable in. I realised it’s more than just him. It’s him, it’s my past, my insecurities and also other stressors in my life that all affect me. I wore a new outfit that made me feel very good, feminim but also comfortable. I got a lot of compliments from my collegues male and female which was nice.
He had the morning shift and we talked a bit, but he got back ten minutes before I finished my shift to have drinks in the bar. I was hoping I would have finished my shift before he got there it would have eased my anxiety a bit. He bought a drink from my collegue then was looking at me going on his way to the bar. I did some tapping (I think it’s called to try and calm myself) Then went to the bar where they were showing football on the big screen and a lot of people were already there. Three boys (two collegues and one of their friends) were happy to see me and told be to take the chair next to them (that guy had left) we started talking about football and then the cute guy came up and had a proposal, that we could join him at his table (he sat with a female guest) so that everybody could see. I felt ashamed that I was in the way that much even though it was a really big screen. The guys went what if we just move out of the way to the side, he then said or you can join at the table. We moved out of the way so they had plenty of space to see the match. Not gonna lie I was hard seeing him sitting there with her, but he was sitting behind me and I was sitting between the boys focusing on our conversations and the game infront. But then we went out during halftime so they could smoke and we got back him and the girl was now sitting right infront of me on a couch, that’s when it started going south for me. I left soon after and I am embarresed to say I told a lie to them so they wouldn’t think less of me for once again being the first to leave.
I should say that I havn’t slept in a couple of days and was in a lot of pain (PMS) and had cried several times the day before over absolutely nothing so I was not at my strongest. Don’t know if I was weak for leaving so early or if trying my best was good enough. I wanna look at every change he’s there as a learning opportunity (or game as you said so well) because he’s not gonna be the only guy to make me anxious so now is the time to try out different things to make me less anxious. Maybe this Friday will be one, Two girls from work have a birthday and a lot of people from work are gonna come and celebrate, so there’s another challenge then.
I asked one of the new girls out for coffee and we are going tomorrow. She’s so nice I am sure it will be fun and be good for me to get out and just relax.
Also trying to go easy on myself. I have had a lot of stressors lately. Health wise which unfortunatly is gonna be way more expensive than I thought. Work has been extremely busy and with 11 new people it’s aa lot for me to deal with, even though they all seem so nice. My sister has been on the warpath wityh me, I couldn’t make it home for my nephew’s christening and she is trying to turn it into a personal thing of me doing it to hurt her deliberately (that one send me into a panic attack at work, cried in the bathroom) and now a couple moving in in a small flat with just two rooms and one bathroom. I still hasn’t meet them, they have stayed in their room but the are quiet and clean so at least that is something. I hope to get to see them tomorrow when I am off work.
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