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What Yue said! 😀
And wow to you for being so self reflective, for seeing what made you feel awful and taking responsibility and moving on and learning to be independent again! That’s really a tough lesson, and wow that you are taking it on!
I am very sure not all men are like this! I met wonderful men in my short lifetime, and I would trust them with my life!
Your gut tells you! And if it tells you confusion, it will be confusing! It is not your responsibility to figure out what issues someone has, or how you should read him.
Feel flattered and move on (unless you are into confusion! ;-))KathParticipantDear eevee!
Your situation is not easy, but you made a decision! It is really cool that you had the courage to confront B and talk over what has happened between you.
It’s hard, and I also have been in the position of being in a really good relationship, and then my old love turned up. Those strong feelings will never be gone, but I decided they were not worth giving up the relationship I had.
A situation like this can happen. Sometimes it will make you realize that you were missing something important in your current relationship all the time, but this doesn’t seem to be the case! So I think you made a good decision.To be honest, I don’t think you can have a good relationship with your bf AND be good friends with someone if one of them wants more or if there is so much unresolved. In my opinion you sometimes have to make a decision.
Why do you want to go back in time? Do you feel you are just making decisions for other people? In that case you maybe really need some time of for yourself to figure out what YOU really want. You also don’t need to be ashamed or feel like others would hate you for your decisions. You do not hurt people intentionally and you have every right to feel what you are feeling, to express your feelings and to do what makes you happy!
So do what makes you happy! 🙂
January 30, 2015 at 2:43 am in reply to: How to Motivate Yourself to Keep Trying To Find Right Girl #72103KathParticipantWow, that’s a lot of pressure on a girl… She not only has to be all the things you expect from her, but also love someone who does not really like himself and tries really hard to be some kind of “image”! This can only lead to a relationship where both try to keep up a facade all the time.
Seriously, a good relationship is not about looks! Studies show that attractive women tend to settle with less attractive men 😉You should be loved for who you are, including your weaknesses!
I agree with popi that you need to built confidence. How is this done? Strangely it is done by accepting your weaknesses! Accept that you are not perfect, that others might look better, be funnier, have it easier to talk to people. You are completely ok, even if certain women reject you. Maybe they are the wrong ones for you?You cannot change the boots you are walking in (your self, which you need to accept), but you can change the path you are walking on (a life and a relationship that is suited to your actual needs, not those of the person you try to be!)
KathParticipantDear deelee…
I can understand your pain and anger. The relationship to your family really seems to be troubled. I just want to give you a few thoughts I have on this:
1. For yourself: We all make mistakes. Big mistakes. Life mistakes. It is ok to make mistakes! You need to accept the situation and stop blaming yourself or others for how it is. It’s not a cool situation to be in, but there are much worse…
2. You cannot change your family. What do you expect of them? That they admit something, apologize, something else? This will probably not happen! It is hard to let go of your expectations, but these expectations and your anger seem to be the things that make the situation so unbearable… not the situation itself!
3. Your daughter obviously deserves to have contact to her grandparents. However, this does not mean you have to spend christmas with them! Is there any way she can have a relationship with them (maybe your wife can hold the contact?) and you can get some distance from your family?
4. It’s just money. This is one of the most important things I learnt in life so far. Sure, money gives security, and the thought of having lost a lot of money on the house is frustrating. But your job is not to hold on to tht frustration and anger. Your job is to take care of yourself, and deal with the situation in a way that is actually healthy and good for you! I cannot tell you which way that might be, but you should put your mental and emotional health before money.
5. You do have a house, dont you? Maybe it costed you more than you should have. Maybe you could have had a nicer house by now… But we are all in this kind of game, and with having a house at all you are still one of the winners 🙂
Your wife doesnt even seem to blame you, does she? So why would you do it yourself?I’m really sorry if this is though love, I really feel with you and can understand your anger and pain. But I also feel that it is the key to how this situation will resolve. You cannot change the situation or others, you can only change yourself and the way you deal with things. Maybe your counsellor is not a good fit, and you need to try someone else? There are good ones out there, sometimes it takes time to find them!
Hang in there!KathParticipantYue, your sentence about having a cheerleader instead of a judge has really struck a chord with me. I am trying to shut up that judge right now, but there was something missing to replace him 😀
What also works for me: If you feel these negative thoughts coming up, imagine you are Neo from Matrix and you can just catch them in the air or move away from them smoothly… 😉
I guess life is a muddy parcours, and there is just no way through it without getting dirty. If you accept that and don’t fret over stains, slipping, running into each other or getting stuck here and there it can actually be a lot of fun!
January 16, 2015 at 12:43 am in reply to: Help me please! Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from extra-marital affair #71429KathParticipantHey mattr,
I know that it is really hard right now – I have spend the last weeks in a similar state, and it’s true that it very difficult to focus on positive things, as the darkness and fear and rage will swallow every positive thought immediately.
What you are trying right now is running. You want this to go away. You want to force yourself to be or feel different than you do right now. You are saying “this can’t go on” “I can’t take this anymore” “how can this be if I know it should not?”
You are telling the part of you that is afraid: “Shut up! Stop crying!” This does not help that part! It’s as if you were telling a child that is afraid: “There is no monster, be quiet!” when you should be telling it “I understand that you are afraid. It is ok to be afraid. I’m here with you.”Wat Yue is saying is right: You need to face these feelings. You cannot make them go away. You need to accept them. And then they will transform. It is nothing magical:
Think of it as a biochemical reaction that happens in your body. You cannot stop it, but you can look at it and understand it.
Don’t be a hater – be the chemist who looks with awe at this phenomenon of nature (that exists for a reason!) – even if part of that phenomenon is sitting in the car crying and not knowing how to tackle the workday. (Been there, done that.)
Try to write everything down, even if you have the feeling you already know what it is and feel stupid doing it. But if you know the triggers, and you know exactly and in detail what thoughts follow them and accept that this happens right now and know why it happens, you will start to feel more distance and it will loose its power over you…
Try to accept that right now it is there, because it wants to tell you something. Let it stay, I promise you it will go away!And get help! You don’t need to do this alone!
January 15, 2015 at 7:10 am in reply to: Help me please! Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from extra-marital affair #71377KathParticipantHi Inky! Don’t you think that is pretty tough? Shouldn’t his wife decide for herself whether the FB-Account is important for her? Where is the border? You could also argue that talking on the phone, writing messages or meeting with other people is not necessary…
Controlling someone else does not help to fight the feelings, and you actually will never be really satisfied but just go on to try and control more and more… This does not create trust, but undermines it in my opinion.
It happened to a friend of mine, who tried to calm her boyfriends fears and jealousy all the time. They broke up because he still couldn’t take it and tried to control her whole life, while she became more and more isolated. I think you cannot live without trust in a relationship.I think that you are right that social media encourages a lot of stupid stuff, but his wife has already laid open her account – which I think is a very strong gesture and shows that she uses it thoughtfully. Asking her to delete it would somehow diminish that gesture.
However, that’s just what I think… and I am myself in the position of the person who is jealous.January 15, 2015 at 5:41 am in reply to: Help me please! Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from extra-marital affair #71375KathParticipantI hope it’s a good thing I sound like oyur therapist 😀
I really understand how you’re feeling. I’m starting out as a comedian and last week I rocked a hall full of people with laughter… after I had spend the whole morning crying and unable to go to work.Are judging yourself right now? There is a lot of “I should” between your lines.
“This irrationality of my mind is so frustrating.”
Could this be your inner critic speaking? The part of you that says “Stop this now you stupid idiot or you will ruin everything!” (Belief: You are not allowed to make mistakes. You are not good enough.)One thing I forgot in my list was: Write down every single memory of a moment where you felt those painful feelings for the first time.
Your experiences are really hard, but they are in the past. Your body and your mind need a lot of work and time to understand this, so be patient with them!
You can be really proud that you are in a relationship after all after this shit, and that you are facing all that pain and fear! Congratulations! 🙂KathParticipantI’m so glad I actually stopped crying!!! :-DDD Just a little good tear from what you wrote!
January 15, 2015 at 2:13 am in reply to: Help me please! Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from extra-marital affair #71371KathParticipantI feel with you! I am in a similar situation, for different reasons.
I just figured that these strong feelings are almost like a panic attack, so right now I am trying to treat them that way, with some tiny differences.
The first thing I would do is to delete her facebook sign in from your phone, and to actually unfollow her actions on social networks. You are close enough to her on a daily level. Otherwise you get worked up in a network of triggers and the desire to control each and everything, which you can’t. It gives you and her more freedom and is one step to learn letting go.
You cannot prevent anything from happening, or her from leaving or being tempted. She has decided for you, because you are a wonderful person! And even if she decides against you (I’m triggering you right now ;-)) you still stay a wonderful person!The other, more important thing you could do (which I just have been doing yesterday and still feel excited about because it was such an insight) is to write down EVERY possible trigger:
Which behaviours? Which situations? Which thoughts?Then write down which fears are triggered by that (be as precise as possible), and which beliefs work behind these fears. (For instance “She will leave me for someone else.” (I’m not good enough)
“I will go crazy.” (I cannot survive on my own)
and whatever you can think of.There are usually different parts in you that try to protect you. With me I have a part that blames and gets angry and wants to end the relationship to prevent getting hurt. Another part I have is that of a child that was helpless and left alone, and now is afraid of not surviving and gets very sad and afraid and desperate.
In the end you need to find out what these parts are in you, and understand and accept each and every one of them. When a trigger comes, you can listen, see what the trigger is, follow the thoughts and fears that come up and identify to which part they belong. It’s pure analysis, but it helps, because it teaches you to seperate the situation from your feelings and to accept these feelings and the parts of you that create them.
One more thing that might help is A) a letter you write when you feel good about yourself. It should be a compassionate letter from your grown up, healthy self to your hurt and vulnerable self. Tell him that it is ok to feel this way, that you understand him and that you will be with him! Read it whenever you need to!
I don’t know if this is a good idea or if it leads to too much dependancy, but you could also ask your partner to record a message for you, that will tell you that she is with you and loves you and that it is ok how you feel.I hope this will help. Go on looking for help and don’t give up! You can do this! 🙂
KathParticipantDear trusttheflow!
Thank you for your great advice, you are giving me lots of hope and it made some things clearer to me. I am seeing a counselor (only saw her this morning after she was on holidays), and I successfully battled panic attacks in the past.
This time, although it seems so obvious – I just did not recognise that it is basically the same as a panic attack, just as you said, and that means I know that I will find a way to handle it and I can separate my strong reaction from what is actually going on in our relationship! Your post was an important part for me to recognise this.I have already written down all the triggers, all the fears that are related to it, and I am going to dissect and look and accept this shit until it dissolves 🙂
(Just after doing this I got a message from him, which I felt was lacking emotion, and I was able to write down each and every thought that went through my mind – from shame to anger – and finally understood how I went in to that state of panic! I really hope this is the way out…)It should not matter how the relationship itself works out, I need to be able to deal with my fears, otherwise it will happen again in the next relationship…
Thank you very much again! Especially for the last sentence, it rings so true!
January 13, 2015 at 8:58 am in reply to: In relationship with a wonderful person but still incomplete #71214KathParticipantI can imagine that the decision is very hard. The thing is: If you are not completely excited to move to his city, and 100% willing to take the risk, than it’s probably not a good idea. I don’t know if there is any other way to give this relationship a chance (or if that is a good idea either), but the moving part sets you up for massive regrets if you don’t feel strong enough to face the challenge…
I made a lot of compromises for my relationships, and moving away from family and friends was one that I would not make again.
And: You cannot put your life/love/whatever into his hands! You are responsible for your actions and decisions, and have to take your own risks. He cannot promise you that it will work out…
You are ok and lovable just the way you are, with all your fears and worries! Don’t override them! <3
KathParticipantThank you so much for taking the time and for your compassion! I really appreciate it.
This was how it happened: I was away for the weekend. He is a teacher and was on summer holidays. He just had his first car, and went to visit her. He told me only afterwords because it was spontaneous. I know this also from the messages I read later. My feeling is that he was just bored, and thought it would be nice to catch up.
They did not have contact for a while. Then they started writing again here and there, normal stuff. Then he did not reply for weeks/months. Then he wrote her that he was sorry he did not write, but that it was very difficult for him to have contact with her and it would make his life too complicated. He wrote that “back then” he wanted to be close to her, and now she is near (geographically), but the circumstances are different.
Then he had this outburst of emotions saying how exciting it could be, but wrote immediately afterwords, that it was god she was so distanced, because it made his life much easier.I told him I read his messages, he said that if there had been anything to tell he would have told me, that it were old teenage-feelings that just excited him in that moment, that it had nothing to do with us, and that he wanted to be with me and would not stay in contact with her…
Since then our trust has suffered. He is tiptoeing around me, and I am tiptoeing around him. I try to be open with him and talk about stuff, but that is very difficult for him, even though he tries to. But my fear and my bad self esteem are bigger than anything he could say to me, and he feels constantly under pressure…
I dont want to give up on this relationship, and I know he doesnt want to either.
But after reading your comments I thought about giving us a break, so that we both can figure out how to build up trust again and I can learn how to be ok with myself and not feel so dependant…KathParticipantHi Maggie, thanks for reading and answering!
We are both 29.
It was actually just that one sentence that pushed me so much over the edge. I asked him what would have happened if she hadnt been reacting so distanced. He said that he would have woken up out of his stupor after 20 minutes thinking “oh no, how can I get rid of her again?” I do believe him, because when we just got together she actually contacted him and he rejected her. Maybe it was that after all this time he felt sure with us and thought he could be friends with her on a normal level.I don’t think there is or has been any other woman. He used to have a lot of female friends, but he had a really bad childhood and takes a long time trusting someone, so I’m pretty sure he would not just fling around with anyone. But yes, it is extremely hurtful to know that this emotional texting has been going on, and yes, after this his love does not feel pure anymore. But how would I feel or react if my teenage love would turn up again? Couldn’t it happen to everyone and put them in a spot where they have to decide?
I have been trying very hard to give him his room, and it works very well, and he moves toward me. However, I felt the last days that I can’t play any more games, and that I want to admit my feelings and not pretend. I still give him room, but I don’t pretend everything is alright, and when I feel really bad, I tell him.
He tells me not to worry. But even when we talk on the phone at night, and he tells me that he loves me and misses me (and I know its true, he does not say these things whenever), I still wake up, and feel like I cant move, I’m completely numb and cry the whole way to work. Even though I have lots of friends, supportive family and a really good life with lots of hobbies for myself going on!
I don’t want to decide against him, because I actually believe him, and I think most of it is me feeling insecure.
January 8, 2015 at 4:46 am in reply to: How to forgive yourself when you ruin someone else's life? #70890KathParticipantDo you think if YOU could change or do something different, you could change the relationship?
You really need to be yourself, and you need him to accept who you are, even if you make mistakes.
What you can learn from this is that maybe you are not the right person to help a drug addict, and too close to him.
What he said is extremely abusive! Usually there is more where that came from. Even if you see that he can’t help it right now, this is not doing you any good, especially if you just managed to come out of a tight spot – to be honest, this sounds more like you went from a tight spot into a codependancy.
You are ok, just the way you are! And your main responsibility is your own health and wellbeing! You can never ever compromise on that! And you can be there for someone if you can afford it emotionally, but you can not fix someone else!*hug*
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