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KathParticipant
Hey,
I guess there are many different versions of love, and that is even true as we speak of the biochemical reactions behind love. The feelings you have for a person you have spent years with is something entirely different from the crush you have on someone you barely know, which is different from the desire you might have to sleep with a person. (Those are actually three different biochemical reactions in our brain…)
But this is what I can say about love in terms of relationship.
I think in the end it is just two (generally speaking) people who spend intimate time together and like it and each other most of the time. That being said, there is no person who can fulfill all your needs, and everyone has their faults. So its about choosing the person whose the least pain in the ass… 😉
To have all those things you mentioned in a relationship might take some time! Friendhsip and trust have to be built, and the dynamics and communication are different with every person!I have been in a relationship for 5 years now, but I have many single friends. The longer they are single, the more they try to find someone who is perfect and gives them everything I took years to build with my bf… And those were not easy years.
I am in love with my boyfriend, because I had a crush on him and was lucky enough that we both wanted this relationship and worked very hard to understand each other and give each other what we need.
I also think that it is ok to be with someone of whom you might know he is not THE ONE. He might turn out to be it nonetheless, or you might fulfill an important role in each others life and learn something you need to learn in order to built stable relationships in the future!What’s important in my opinion is to be with someone who does bring out the best in you. Doesn’t mean he has to be an angel. But you have to be able to feel happy, confident and safe with this person, and be able to develop and learn about yourself in a way that is good for you in the long term. But that might also mean you need to reflect narcistic tendencies and learn to accept someone who is not perfect.
The thing is, if your relationship with yourself is off, if you treat yourself badly, don’t take care of yourself, try to fill a void with a relationship or have weak boundaries, relationships become just so much harder and more dramatic or nonexistent, because it scares people off. So that is actually the first relationship you need to get in order.
Wasn’t really about love, but I guess love is the result if you get relationships right 😉
KathParticipantHuh, this is difficult!
Here’s what I got from what you wrote, assuming there is nothing else hidden in there:
Even though he loves you, his plans for life are set … The way you describe it, he will not suddenly become experimental and he is even prepared to let you go, because he sees that this sort of life is not necessarily what YOU need.
I’ve seen this in some men, and they usually don’t change their minds. It sucks, because it sounds like you are willing to compromise and he does not seem to be willing to meet you somewhere on the way. You could interpret that as a lack of love, but it can be a fear of change and a personal decision as well. He obviously feels under pressure and thinks that he cannot fulfill your expectations.So basically it is upon you to decide: Can you happily accept the situation you are now in, and spend your life there and with him – or do you want to trust the world and maybe his perspective and go out into the world?
How do you know he is the favorite person in the world when you don’t know every person in the world? There is more than one soulmate out there, and many different and fulfilling relationships to lead… I know for sure, because my first “soulmate” died, and I was forced to open myself up again to the world… and found someone whom I now cherish just as much!
Moreover, it is not completely unrealistic that you just need two or three years to figure out your own priorities and are able to take this relationship to a higher level afterwords. It happens. And if it doesn’t, it will be ok too!Good luck and all the best!!!
KathParticipantHey!
I think that you can’t change someone. However, you can offer them insights that might inspire them to change. That means: Talk to your friend. Make very clear how his behaviour and things he says make you feel, and that it makes you uncomfortable being around him – being constantly judged and criticised is something you just don’t need in your life, and as a friend he should trust you and support you in pursuing things that make you happy. If he really thinks something is wrong he can let you know that in a nice and constructive way.
Don’t give him your “diagnosis”… you are not a therapist and if he really is a narcisist, he will probably not be able to accept it anyways.
You will know by his reaction whether your friendship has a future. Maybe you are important enough to him that he reflects his behaviour and tries to make changes (which will still need a while, and frequent friendly reminders when he falls back in to patterns…)Good luck!
Dear kateryan: I’m very sorry to hear you’ve been treated so badly! You might want to share your story in an own thread, so people who have been through the same can find it and give you support!
KathParticipantDear oaoo,
short on time, so I need to be brief. Here’s my opinion:
We all need love. Trying to get rid of a feeling is the best way to ensure that it is there to stay. So I think you need to accpet that you are feeling the way you do, and not try to tell yourself: “I SHOULD be happy. I SHOULD be OK on my own.” It’s a bit tricky, but an important part of loving yourself is to be compassionate about being not ok! If you had a child that said: “I need love, I feel lonely…” would you keep telling him: “But youve got everything, you should be happy!” NO! You would say “I can understand you, I’ll be there for you, it’s ok to feel lonely sometimes…”
I used to think I’m very strong and I’m ok on my own. However at the same time I kind of tried to shut away that vulnerable part of me that needed love. I looked down on it as a victim I did not want to be… And that is the mistake. It is that very part of you that needs understanding and self-compassion.
So my advice would be:
Try to accept that you feel lonely, disappointed or in need of a relationship and be kind with that part of you!
By all means do yoga and meditate and stuff, but don’t do this to get RID of a part of you that needs understanding!
It’s ok to be vulnerable, it’s ok to be sad, it’s ok to be disappointed when relationships fail or guys are not interested.If you stop shutting up or judging that “needy” part of you, you might even discover WHY this part craves so much attention/love by guys, and why it falls for someone all the time. Treat it like you would treat a friend! It tries to tell you something, and only when you stop judging it for its “weakness” or for sabotaging you, you can start to listen and really understand…
KathParticipantThanks for that word, Inky! For some reason there is no real german equivalent to “assertiveness” – those that are translate to something close to “presumption” 😀
The closest you can get is something like “self confidence”, but this just opened up a whole new aspect 🙂KathParticipantDear Bill,
I can understand how this must feel, I guess it happens to most of us, especially if we feel vulnerable or carry some kind of resentment… It feels like “I’m trying really hard but no one notices, and I am being treated rude in return!”
However, the way you describe it it sounds as if the people on the bus really just did not hear you! Very probably they did not mean to be rude, but just did not get you wanted out and then felt you were being the one who just expects them to step aside and recognise what you want…
It is a misunderstanding, nothing more! Nobody is “good” or “bad” all the time. But in times when other things bother us, it can feel as if everyone is against us and the world is a hostile place…I would suggest you leave others out of this at first (people are people) and try to figure out
1. Why it is so important to you to be seen as a “good” person – maybe it is ok not to be perfect sometimes, or to forget holding open the door… Have a second look at the options you have for reacting – right now you just see black and white: feel really ashamed or turn around and say “f*** you” and laugh in peoples faces and don’t care at all. I’m pretty sure there is something in between like “*shrug* Sorry, no offense intended”.
2. What makes you so frustrated? Is it really the behaviour of a few people or is it something else? Have you faced a lot of rejection recently or maybe even your whole life? It seems to make you angry, and it is an understandable reaction, but it is something you need to figure out for yourself, because it will influence how you interpret peoples actions…
3. Why you have so high epxectations towards the interaction with other people? Maybe because your expectations towards yourself are very high, you also think other people should be the same and think and act the same – but they don’t! They all just try their best, and except from a few aholes they rarely mean to make others miserable…I wish you good luck and I hope you can find a more positive perspective on things!
KathParticipantHey Doreen!
I’m sure you are not alone with this 😀 I know the feeling all too well… Noone can be creative all the time, sometimes its weeks and even months and then one day it hits you like a storm! Boredom is one of the most creative energies… 😉
I guess there are just times in life when creative energy is low. It’s totally ok to do nothing at all, to just be and do whatever feels right, even if it is not productive. We are so under pressure to do something productive or meaningful.. but really, if you would die tonight, you would probably say “what the hell, I’m just gonna play games and eat pizza till its over!”
The body and the mind need time off. One could argue whether gaming really gives it that time, or whether its just another form of entertainment that keeps it busy so you don’t have to think.I don’t really know your life situation, or why you feel the need to be creative, but another reason why creativity might stall is because you put too much pressure on it. Sometimes we procrastinate because we have so high ecpectations and are afraid we won’t be able to fulfill them… if we don’t start anything, we can’t fail! Takes the fun out of it, too.
I suffered from that a lot, now I don’t aim for anything, I go weeks without doing anything and then I try to do stuff only if I really want it. That’s a lot more fun!Whatever it is, I would say try to take the pressure of, do whatever you feel like and don’t feel bad for it, it will come back! Some non-productive off-time in nature might help as well to really let the mind wander and give you a clearer feeling of what you want and need…
KathParticipantI’m really happy I could contribute something, it’s great to read the optimism and spirit in your lines!!! 🙂
I struggled a lot and sometimes still do, and I recognised that recognition by others actually makes me feel empty and is like a drug I just want to get more of… and what you wrote somehow reminded me of that. It also reminded me of all my friends in “great positions” who are emotional wrecks, and most of them just do it because they feel they need to be somebody. 😀
Starting from where you are is like building a house. You don’t want to make mistakes, you are afraid it all comes down again. The beginning is the hardest, but in the end you just put stone on stone…
KathParticipantDear littlebean,
I really feel with you! I am lucky enough to have found a job I can stomach quite well and which gives me security. However, I used to be an exceptional painter, a songwriter, actress … so many talents, and I followed none of them through to the “end”. But I’m not sad at all about it!We are being told that we can be everything we want, that the world is just waiting for us, and we are given images by the media of how we could or should be. Then reality hits us: The dream job is actually a nightmare, the talent we have leads us into a lifestyle that does not make us happy, or doesn’t make enough money, the image we had of the person we wanted to be is just that: an image, not something you actually want to live in… Some people ignore it. They stay in the nightmare, because they think cannot let go of that image, that identity they dreamed of. Do you ever wonder why so many actors/stars/executives are drug addicts and in and out of rehab?
Because they have lived their lives based on the recognition/money they get from outside, and they need the drugs to numb the realisation that happiness is something entirely else that has got nothing to do with talents or money or fame.Life is what happens around us, what we work for, what we actually are, how brave we are and what makes us happy. Littlebean, do not build your happiness or your dreams on the image you had in college. Your worth depends not the least on it!
You know what rock bottom means? It means a stable foundation to build something on that is real! The only thing you need for that is to be brave: Try out jobs until you find one that suits you. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes! Don’t do stuff because you think the world expects it from you. Maybe you will end up as something completely different than you thought you would be, but happy!In regards to art: It helped me a lot to take the pressure off. Just because I have got the potential it doesn’t mean I have to do it.I can still be a comedian this week or a painter that week. But its not my identity! I do creative stuff when I feel like it, and I accept that it will be not as good as with regular practice, and I won’t get famous. But I get to take care of my plants and eat out with friends and do other stuff I would not have time for otherwise…
I got lost and dont know if I got my point across, anyway I wish you all the best, don’t give up – it’s ok and only natural to have downphases where nothing works. Keep up your confidence and build dreams that would make you happy even if no other person would exist!
KathParticipantI know how you must feel about this! A couple of months ago I was in more or less the same situation with a flatmate who did not ONCE clean the bathroom, and when I politely asked him to he started complaining about something that was wrong when he moved in. He left kitchen & bathroom in a total mess, was rude and selfish, and I kept my mouth shut most of the time to avoid stress and conflict. After he finally moved out he did not even pay the full rent.
There were lots of little things, and I really felt bad about not trusting my gut when I allowed him to move in and not being clear on household issues from the beginning. I thought: This somehow must be my fault! Maybe I was not nice enough, or not clear enough, or selfish in other ways, and the flat disappointed him or whatever… in the end I though NO! This guy is just an a…hole, whether he intends to be one or not. I blocked his phone number and wrote him an official demand note. He sent me rude emails, and I stayed very clear and fair until he finally payed the rest of the rent.In the end I recognised that there are some people with whom it just does not work, for whatever reason!
This is why you can stop beating yourself up: You did the best you could and what felt right for you. There is no way you could have changed the way it was with her! Losing your temper is completely normal – there are people who speak their mind all the time and there are people who are more held back until they explode ;-)… which works perfectly with other people who are sensitive enough to recognise this and communicate on this level.
And some people only learn when someone explodes in their face! You should actually be proud that you finally stood up for yourself. And alas, saying that you dont want to speak to a human like her is probably just the truth.April 13, 2015 at 9:07 am in reply to: an email to exbf, dated today but autosending 3 years later. #75249KathParticipantSorry, I’ve overlooked some of the messages in between… shooting through holes here 😉
April 13, 2015 at 9:03 am in reply to: an email to exbf, dated today but autosending 3 years later. #75247KathParticipantDear Jade,
what is it exactly that you want from this letter?
Do you actually want a chance to get back together?
Why the three years waiting period? If you have moved on in 3 years it won’t matter anymore. If you haven’t, you can still write a letter then! Or is it just an outlet for your emotions that make you want to reach out right now, although you want to go through with the breakup?
What kind of response or feeling are you hoping for??It is completely natural to badly want to reach out to your ex after a break up, especially if you are not over it… But I think you should be clear with yourself about what YOU want from this situation, how you want it to develop and what the purpose of your letter is.
If you just need an outlet for your emotions, if you are just writing it for yourself, then write a letter every day and don’t send them!
If you really have something to say to your ex, and really want him to know something, then make sure you know what it is! Write him exactly that and send it a week later after being sure this is what you want (Your letter right now is rather confusing, it seems to say: I love you, I’m not over you, its good we broke up, goodbye. What should he do with this information?? Especially if he gets it in 3 years?).I wish you good luck, and that you find a way to deal with those feelings that is good for you!
KathParticipantHey Inky!
I guess shame is one of the most powerful emotions we got – designed to help us to adapt to a community and thereby survive!
You went there with trust. You opened up and showed your work in the belief you would get some constructive and great feedback. Instead it was a shameful situation, where you were told by an important person of the community that your work is not good enough.
Your reaction is completely natural!
But shame only makes sense when it helps you to adapt. Therefore a good teacher or leader should be constructive. But your feeling of shame persists because there is nothing you can do to adapt to such a rude form of criticism! So every time you even think about it, the feelings comes back like a wave. You kind of “lost your face” in front of the community – at least this is what it feels like!
The reality is that she probably does not even think about it, and would greet you friendly without even knowing how she made you feel – she just feels great about herself because she could find some sort of perceived weakness and point it out! So in the end she is just a very bad teacher/leader without empathy, who is destructive towards her own community to push her ego.
When you meet her or her partner: Be nice to them, they deserve your pity!How to face this, and just go to events anyway, and feel you are accepted and can be yourself? I wish I knew 😀
I try to remember that everyone feels like this from time to time, and that others won’t even know or notice it. If you go there anyway you can maybe “overwrite” the feeling of shame by making new and better experiences, even if it is painful in the beginning.
Sometimes you just need to let go and find new communities. I once went to a theatre group with lots of hopes, but they were arrogant jerks who made new people feel unwelcome and treated them like sh… When I moved to a different city I wanted to go to a new theatre group, and I spend an hour outside because I did not even want to go in… when I finally did I was greeted with so much warmth and I gained several great friends and my bf of five years!
However, just thinking about that first group still gives me a sense of shame, even many years later! Knowing that I don’t need them to survive, that they are not worth a single though and that they will not even know how horrible I felt with them, I try just not to think about them at all.
In short: Go there, face your fears & the reaction, if it still feels shitty you know it’s not you but them – then accept the feeling, go somewhere else and find people who make you feel good! It’s just like a relationship 😉PS: If you find other ways to deal with this please let me know – I figured recently that I try to evade that feeling most of the time, which might be healthy sometimes, but not everytime…
KathParticipantPlease do not fall in the pitfall of thinking that you need accept every behaviour to be a good buddhist and get rid of suffering… You will end up clinging to a relationship and sanctioning yourself all the time and that is not the aim of buddhism at all.
Letting go is something that should happen within the space of your mind – it does not mean your partner can do everything he wants and you need to accept it! Lettin go can also mean to walk away from something without anger.Please don’t marry someone who thinks you are not an ideal match (FAR from the ideal match) and who hasn’t got your back! Why would he talk about you in such a way?? There are too many good men out there who will love you just the way you are, and who will cherish and accept your weaknesses and STILL think you are the perfect match!!
You are good for him? You need to be loved, not USED as a bandaid!Buddhism is a path that can be very healing, that can help to lighten suffering. But we are human beings, and we need love, even if it sometimes means struggling.
My only maybe buddhist but very personal advice:
Free yourself from wanting to be the perfect bride for him.
Forgive him for using you as a bandaid.
Walk away in peace.KathParticipantAs Will said: Don’t worry!
How we behave also depends on the person we are with: If your partner reacts in a reassuring and comforting way when you get jealous it might just go away. But this guy just messed with your head. Whether he actually cheated or not: he did not behave in a very trustworthy way, and played his part to make you jealous.
So, in a relationship where there is trust you might be a completely different person!And: We all have the need for some external validation, a great part of our perception of reality relies on it! So there is nothing bad about it! Take it and be happy about it, it shows you that your feelings were on spot!
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