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Xenia,
Thank you so much for sharing that. It resonated so much with me. The JOURNAL. My journal drives me insane but calms me at te same time. Actually I have struggled to write it recently.
I felt hope reading your message. I do believe the anxiety surges because it is an important relationship to us and because we have inner work to do, to heal the pain!
Wishing you such such strength and joy. You deserve it!!!
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your response.
I have just been thinking things like when the dog was left at home ‘Well your Mother left you too’.
Or in general thinking about my Father, and how we had no relationship.
I will avoid talking about doubts. I have booked a session with a Psychotherapist and am going to try that instead of my current therapy.
DerekParticipantAnita,
i hope that you are well.
I come to write today from a sad place indeed. I am tired, worn out mentally, scared, lost. However I briefly read through the last few messages and feel a bit brighter, I DIDNT RESEARCH. Progress.
This week has has been filled with uncertainty from my side. Like a sinking feeling in my stomach, and I am trying to let it go. Yesterday I felt clear again. But stressful moments at work made me feel down (Iām not very fulfilled with my job but of course am doing my best to stay calm there and appreciate it for what it is).
After language class last night, I went for pizza with some classmates. (I was nervous about going, well I had an intrusive thought because sometimes I fear doing things without him which is why I went, itās heslthy to form relationships, friendships). A girl there was talking about her relationship with her very attractive lawyer boyfriend. They are in crisis. They are moving to her country of origin where he doesnāt speak the language or have a job in the fall. She seemed nervous. Anyway, I told her not to worry, doubts are normal. I shared some examples. Then the trigger came.
She asked how long long we had been together. I told her and she said
āI would explore that more. So many doubts, I donāt think thatās normal. Doubting you love someone after nearly 3 years. The only people I have ever doubted are the ones who were not right for meā.
And with that. I froze. I felt horrendous. Really scared. Although part of me thought āsheās not right, this is my relationship and we are okā that didnāt last. Fast forward 30 mins Iām on a bus home and almost crying.
I reaxh out to some friends/my brother:
– feel like I have nobody to talk to about it.
– thinking maybe psychotherapy will be better than my current therapy
– feeling that maybe Iām just not ready for all of this. That all of my old wounds need to be worked on before I can be with someone.
– maybe I should just go travel and study elsewhere and just love in peace alone.
Etc.
I got home. There is was. And I cried. I cried like I had never cried in years and years. He held me. I explained āI feel like Iām hurting you. Like you deserve better. Like I donāt know what my options are in this country. Iām fed up with work. Iām fed up with doubting and feeling scared.
Youre my my best friend and I donāt want to lose you but Iām not sure how long I can go on feeling like this. I feel completely insane.ā And I cried for about 10 mins and we lay together. He was calm. He supported me. He listened.
I woke up now. Still not feeling great. Still worrying about the guy in the office and the fact he was in a dream again. Even though now that had calmed down – I really must express that this guy is much younger and really I think itās sheer boredom on my part at work. But itās intrusive. Itās scaring me.
But. I didnāt google. I wanted to and I didnāt. I did this Monday – Wednesday but not last night. This week when I was tired of googling I looked for stuff for us to do as a couple. Better use of my energy.
I ahould note note that I will have lived here a year this Monday June 11th. My year anniversary of finishing university has just passed. Iāve also felt very deep thougjys about my family etc.
Thank you for your time as always.
DerekParticipantServio,
Thank you for this post. I have been distraught this week with intrusive thoughts and it really is the worst most tiring feeling in the world. All the doubts you list, the fears you mention…I have them too. I am trying EVERYTHING to get through this and Iām so so tired of it I donāt know how much more fight I have.
What I would say is what I am discovering…anxiety is rooted in fear. That fear comes from somewhere in the past. The part about your Mother resonates with me. How dare she make a judgement on someone you love. That for me is crossing a boundary.
Feelings too are are rooted in the past. For example, growing up in a very unstable home, I never knew if I was good enough. I had to succeed to be loved, usually by achieving high grades etc. Relationships canāt be graded. So what do I do now that I need to understand that my relationship is ok? I panic. I doubt. I let fear lead me. Take me down a dark path of intrusive thoughts ESPECIALLY when I wake up.
I also am learning to not listen to feelings so much. Growing up I learnt that I didnāt have that love. So, my brain is wired to learn that love = pain. So now I have someone who does love me unconditionally, who is always there for me and who is stable, my old wounds and fears trigger and I feel pain. When you grow up needing something (approval of others for example) then we find what we need (in the form of a relationship) thatās when GRIEF begins. Itās like we shed a part of us. The hurt, the pain, THE UNCONSCIOUS PART OF US. So there are things that despite your happy childhood will have been ingrained in your brain. The good thing is your unlearning it. Feelings are rooted in the past. Following your feelings in my eyes, is bad advice. I learned the above watching Dr Pat Love. She says:
āFeel the feelings, do the right thing! Feel the feelings, stay in the relationship.ā
I wholeheartedly wish you the best. Thank you for sharing.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
That all makes sense. I will attempt to do that.
I think I have to accept that I am in anxious mode, for example, I want to google Masters in the ‘best universities’ in the UK because I feel it will provide me with a ‘better future’ and ‘career opportunities’, even though that would mean at the sacrifice of a very important relationship.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
That is something I will consider for sure. I think I am slowly becoming more aware.
Today for example, I am calm. Then, I spoke to a friend of mine from University who is completing her Masters. Now she is going to do a PhD in September. I immediately felt panic, and felt that I needed to look at University rankings. I felt panic that the UK will be ‘better’ for opportunities in the future and that I am crazy to do further study in Spain. That, I should end the relationship because if I move away it will be too hard to continue, so my heart pounds because I don’t want the relationship to end as I love him.
I can’t help but all of these feelings are too rooted in childhood. The fear is future, the thought is ‘better in UK’ when in actual fact wherever I do further study will have positives and negatives. I imagine the comparison comes from childhood too. That I feel pressure because I have decided not to study until 2019, because I want to save money (my financial situation) and also because I want to keep going to therapy and learning. But, I overvalue myself on education, then thoughts creep in about his ‘lack of academic education’.
Life is so much more than this. This is my second day at home resting because of the stomach bug and instead of resting I am researching and thus making myself feel bad.
Derek
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you very much for the response. It has been very helpful.
Today the anxiety is quiet, and I am not worrying (I am still with a stomach bug!!) so I am at home on Doctor’s orders and trying to relax.
I feel very determined to work with the childhood anxiety, very very determined.
Derek
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
That is all very true.
Just when I feel like I am advancing I go 10 steps back.
Today I was excited to see him, I wanted to. Of course when I was entering I was worried ‘What if I don’t find him handsome?’ or if I ‘flinch when we kiss’. None of that happened. In fact, when he was leaving I felt calm and tingled when we kissed.
Then when he was off at English class, thoughts entered my head. For example, I was thinking recently that I never seem to know when or what to read online. I just look at Masters or jobs and thats all I seem to do. Then I read an article about Bill Gates and the books he reads. I started looking at different things and a thought entered my head ‘he doesn’t read this stuff, he doesn’t look to grow with knowledge’. I told myself stop, thats not true.
Then he was coming home, and I feel like I am not attracted to him a bit, like I am disappointed or something awful. I imagine related to the projection just mentioned.
I just want it to stop.
DerekParticipantI see.
I guess that makes sense to me. Because when i feel happy and calm I don’t usually have fearful or scary thoughts. Nor do I criticise or doubt. I accept more and realise my relationship is MINE.
But I suppose decision making and stability have been such great issues that it is almost normal for me to question because my mind has been trained to be on high alert.
DerekParticipantAnita,
I never had thought of it like that. So it is her voice that has been adopted by my harsh inner critic….which is oh so harsh.
Yes that’s exactly what it sounds like. If I find anyone attractive I find myself with a pit in my stomach and thoughts very similar to the ones you mention.
Why then, when it does happen from time to time, that I look at my partner and feel unsure, or feel I can’t describe like he’s ‘not attractive enough’ etc and i feel panic and scared. Is it possible this is the same kind of thing happening? Because I don’0t like feeling doubt and unattraction or worried I am falling out of love.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I guess I find it hard to know what the realistic thoughts are at times. For example, if I feel a sense of dread in my stomach that maybe ‘I am no longer attracted to him’ or ‘in love with him’ I don’t feel that this is realistic as it feels fearful and riddled with panic. When I am criticising, again I don’t feel like it’s real becuase it feels nasty and just irrational.
So today I am still sick and back in the office. I see the hot straight coworker, or see people on social media and panic ‘is it normal to look at these people’. Or ‘maybe the UK will provide better work opportunities and I should leave Spain’. Which got me thinking about tyhe origins of my anxious nature. I couldn’t help wonder, when I was younger, my Mother constantly changed jobs, as well as moved me twice in different schools and houses. There was always an argument with someone be it neighbours or family (usually both) and nothing was ever stable. I suppose I learned that the way out was to move away. I think that now I am in a stable healthy relationship, a NORMAL relationship, it’s like I am grieving. Perhaps my whole life I waited for this kind of love, but my brain was so wired that this kind of love and stability will cause hurt, so we look to external sources like the hot man at the office, or the people online who have it so together etc, changing country, university, job…CHANGE that’s the origin. So the deepening of the relationship frightens me. I had myself so convinced that we ‘didn’t kiss good enough’ that everytime he kissed me yesterday I flinched beforehand, but every time we kissed I felt fine. I think I am uncovering origins.
DerekParticipantHi Roo,
I was sad when I read this because I have had similar experiences in the past. Someone once said to me āthere is nothing more intimate than someone being inside youā and it stopped me dead in my tracks. I realised in this moment how vulnerable sex can make us and that for some more than others it is a very very big deal.
If possible try not to feel used. It may not make it better but how many people PURPOSEFULLY do this kind of thing all the time? We canāt judge them, itās their life. Every experience we have is a learning experience and one that can encourage growth. It sounds like you are being very hard on yourself so I urge you to be kind to yourself and take time to rest.
All of my sexual experiences (or 99% of them) always involves alcohol, until I met my current partner. It took me a long time to understand that sex is just sex (for some people) and is there to be enjoyed. It took me longer to understand that this was not for me and I needed something more meaningful for I am a very anxious sensitive person.
I hope you feel better.
DerekParticipantAnother thing I worry about is finances.
So I am interviewing for a job that will pay less than my current but potentially is more in line with where I want to take future studies etc. Basically my current employer pays badly too, and the job is quite boring. The new one pays less but should give me more appropriate experience.
Obviously this is something that has come up at home, and he believes the other job if it will make me happier it is worth the pay cut because happiness is more important. Then we discussed salaries and I realised that he earns as little as the new job and I feel nervous. I feel scared about money, like maybe I need someone who earns more, but then think well money can’t build a happy relationship. We are not homeless and live off what we have, so that’s the critic again? Or projection? Or is it black and white, pass or fail thinking, taking someone at the financial level instead of level of the soul? So annoying when this stuff happens.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for this. This has opened my eyes.
I never thought that actually this can happen to anyone and of course at varying levels.
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond and help.
DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Sorry for the delay. To add to my low mood, I had a stomach bug all night and have not been very well. The bonus of that is that there has been less relationship anxiety as my body has worried about the physical symptoms of sickness.
I think I do understand. This would mean the flinch signals the relationship anxiety, but the origins of this flinch are rooted in the past, rather than the relationship itself. I am seeing my therapist on Monday, and can suggest that I have ben thinking to try psychotherapy again.
I really want to keep working towards improving, at least to feel less panicked. I went on a date with a guy more than 5 years ago, t was the second guy I had ever dated. We kind of kept in contact over the years, but the dates were always a bit strange, and a bit immature I suppose. I was always very nervous saying I was bisexual and didn’t know what I wanted, and he would say he was ‘playing the game too.’ I wasn’t playing games.
Fast forward 5 years and I see him constantly posting on social media about his work (he works a lot in the LGBT community) and often with his boyfriend (who I find myself criticising). This morning as I lie in bed feeling sick I have seen some more of their posts and it makes me feel bad. One I feel bad for criticising their image. Two I feel bad because I try and work out if they are ‘better looking’. Three I felt bad because for a split second I thought he may be ‘more manly’ than my partner, who actually today I really wish would come home because I feel quite sick and emotional.
Are these normal things in life? Why do we compare and put down…
Derek
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