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January 9, 2018 at 12:13 pm #185803
Helen
ParticipantYes, I agree.
January 9, 2018 at 10:48 am #185781Helen
ParticipantYes, I donāt think he lies about the excuses. I think he honestly doesnāt know ā like some kind of very deep denial that thereās a problem.
I agree the MO with me is only different because weāre friends and we donāt have sex.
My understanding of his relationships is this: he is honest from day one that he doesnāt do exclusivity (he did with me be honest) so the women who agree to date him and have sex with him on these terms are doing so of their own will and he feels this therefore makes it okay. I agree with you thatās itās still now okay because theyāre really doing it in the hope he falls in love.
January 9, 2018 at 8:59 am #185761Helen
ParticipantThanks Anita, that was a very good answer. I can see that my interest and affection were probably nice things for him to have even if he didnāt want to commit to me for an actual relationship. Your answer gave me a lot of clarity, as, for me, I canāt think of anything worse than going on dates with or having affection with someone I did not want to actually be in a relationship with; but from his perspective itās actually very likely he quite enjoyed that experience and got something he needed from it.
I think heās very honest with me, I donāt think he ever lies (one saving grace) so his history is pretty much: He is 47 years old. He has had one committed relationship in his life. This was from age 19 to age 41 and by his own admission he was never really in love with her but sort of fell into it out of habit and was too loyal (or lazy) to think about leaving so he was very committed to her and his family although also unhappy, unloved and felt quite controlled. She had an affair with their contractor and threw him out at the age of 41 and at that time, although not in love with her, he was very deeply wounded and went into a dark depression.
He told me at that point he felt no woman would ever want him, and he felt like his self esteem was really low. So he started dating tentatively and found out women did actually want him (heās wealthy!!) and since then he has been dating for five years but nothing serious. His modus operani in dating (apart from with me) has always been to see several women casually on a fairly short-term or on and off basis where he says they āoverlapā (meaning he is never really exclusive). They always want commitment, he always refuses it. He says heās never really formed and emotional bond with a woman in his life other than me.
So when we were dating the first time, I refused his terms of non-exclusivity and I called him out and told him he had intimacy problems. He hated that at the time, but a year later he came to me and told me that no woman had ever held her boundaries with him the way that I did, and that my words had changed him and he wanted to be different.
This is, I guess, where the friendship grew from. I became his confidante and his friend in a way he wasnāt used to (he usually focuses only on sex with a woman) and with us we do everything but sex. I have refused sex for over a year now because I feel itās not appropriate for us to be involved in something casual and sexual and itās not healthy for me. He says he respects the way I am true to myself.
Over the past year thereās been huge changes in him; heās taken on board all the things I have said, heās cut out the casual dating, heās stopped chasing all the women and he really wants to be different. I guess the frustration for me is that he doesnāt actually want a relationship with me.
As to why, I guess itās one of two reasons.
I know for certain that he feels very strong emotional and sexual connection with me and those are usually the two ingredients for a relationship; but something holds him back.
Reason 1 could be that he is not ready yet for that level of commitment and he knows a relationship with me would be quite serious because we are already close. We have come a long way in the past year and I am the first woman (maybe ever) that he is truly emotionally intimate with and maybe making it a relationship isnāt something heās ready for. Maybe he needs time to be friends before moving into something else and being friends with him is a new thing. He has said to me a few times that he wanted to develop the friendship and connection with me in 2018 and then who knows.
Reason 2 could be that there is just something about me he doesnāt see as long-term partner potential. I canāt say what this would or could be because we are similarly matched in education, finances, family values, intellect etc. and we honestly do just have so much fun and get on so well and thereās fireworks in terms of chemistry on both sides, but it could be something else that I am not aware of. Who knows if maybe he has a mental list and I donāt tick some arbitrary box.
Asking him is fruitless because he doesnāt really know himself.
When I asked him a year ago why he wasnāt able to just ātryā an exclusive relationship with me (on the basis that this is how you find out if someone is right for you) he said it was because it was too āintenseā and because he felt our connection was very strongly sexual and lacked the friendship element. Now a year later we have the friendship and the sexual element but he still feels itās not āquite rightā.
It feels to me a bit like he makes excuses and none of them really make sense.
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