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HelcatParticipant
Hi Kajal
I don’t think there is much you can do.
His mom might like you as a person, but she doesn’t think you are a good fit as a wife.
She doesn’t like your modern non-traditional lifestyle. She doesn’t like that you are from a different culture. She doesn’t like that you stood up for yourself initially regarding conversion.
She wants a submissive Muslim wife willing to raise children, cook and clean for her son. You are very much the opposite of what she wants.
But this is not your fault. Your partner loves you for who you are. He accepts you and being with you makes him very happy. So happy that he has been unsuccessfully bargaining with his family for 6 months. Most people give up very quickly when met with resistance from family.
His mother does not accept you and likely never will. She would prefer that her son be unhappy than with you.
HelcatParticipantI don’t think it’s fair to accuse someone of being manipulative when they temporarily break up when confronted with an ultimatum which means agreeing to essentially erase cultural identity. It is a massive thing to demand and only agreed to in the end because of emotional blackmail for fear of losing a partner.
There are multi-religion households especially in western countries such as Germany.
HelcatParticipantHi Kajal
On the plus side, it sounds like he has tried to reason with his parents multiple times. He cannot force them to change their mind.
It is a very hard thing for any child to consider marrying without the support of their parents.
I am not on the best terms with my mother, but I still wanted her there when I got married. For someone who has a good relationship with their parents I would imagine it would feel like a betrayal to go through that without them.
It is a very difficult, sensitive situation for all involved and I don’t think he would have kept trying to reason with them if he didn’t love you.
Perhaps ending the relationship could be a practical way of him trying to protect you from more rejection, more suffering and wasting your time? I’m sure that he has seen how much these issues have hurt you. It was your own instinctual reaction to end the relationship initially too. I’m sure, you loved him even then. It is just the difficulty of the situation. Ultimately, his parents are traditional and there is a level of prejudice that comes with that.
I think that this situation has nothing to do with who you are as a person. You had two wonderful years together. That is what you two created.
With his parents in the mix, there is misery. Perhaps it is good to know this before getting married. They could make your life a living hell. It is not good to have that kind of stress in your life. Do you think it would go away if they begrudgingly accepted the marriage? Or do you think they would continue to treat you poorly? To avoid this, to marry you, he would have to give up his whole family. I don’t think it is an easy decision to make, with no positive outcome. He either loses you, or his whole family.
HelcatParticipantHi Kajal
It sounds like you’re in a very difficult situation but it is not your fault. You did nothing wrong. It’s very cruel that these issues have come up after 2 years together. It is such a shame that your partner isn’t standing up for you.
I don’t believe the problem lies with you. The problem lies with his family. They sound very traditional and unfortunately it appears that there is a culture clash.
I see two potential options. 1) Put yourself through a lot of pain and rejection on the slim chance they will change their mind. 2) Accept that they are unwilling to accept you. Look towards a new future and heal from this nightmare.
What do you think?
I wish you all the best!
August 4, 2022 at 10:16 am in reply to: Why am I so confused about wanting a relationship?!!! This is crazy #405043HelcatParticipantPerhaps some people are just slower to reply to messages? It’s not a big deal.
August 3, 2022 at 2:01 pm in reply to: Why am I so confused about wanting a relationship?!!! This is crazy #404981HelcatParticipantHi KP
It’s great that you’ve been seeking therapy. I bet you’ve already done a lot of good work with your therapist.
I’m sorry to hear that previous relationships have ended badly. I think that would be enough to make anyone nervous about dating.
Did you notice any specific difficulties with the relationships?
Some food for thought is schema therapy. It suggests that difficulties with ourselves are reflected in our choice of partner. This isn’t intentional, but these difficulties within ourselves can cause us to be drawn to people that are unhealthy for us and play on our own difficulties.
The good news is that when you are aware of your own issues you can make conscious choices to make healthier decisions.
Your therapist might be a great tool to approach dating because they are very well trained to identify unhealthy behaviour. Discussing any issues with dates can be very helpful and they would encourage you to establish and protect your boundaries.
You don’t have to date yet, if you don’t feel that you are ready. It is understandable to feel lonely and desire a relationship, despite the apprehension you feel regarding relationships. I think everyone deserves love, but it can be hard to find. A lot of abusive behaviours are normalised in society, then there are issues with compatibility. Dating can certainly be challenging!
HelcatParticipantHi Dana
I don’t think people in general cope very well in harsh environments. It can certainly lead to a level of trauma. Is it possible for you to plan to leave that environment?
For me, planning to leave a harsh environment was helpful. It gave me hope that one day things would be easier.
On the other hand, sometimes it takes time. I’ve had various approaches for different situations.
If a person is behaving poorly, I reduce my anxiety by understanding that individual has maladaptive coping skills. This helps me see that behaviour is unrelated to me, so I don’t need to feel bad about how someone else is reacting. In the the past, people have done things that made me feel angry and disrespected. To process and manage these feelings I consider what is within my control? Sometimes people are unwilling or incapable of change. But I am responsible for how I perceive and feel about a situation. Considering, how do I want to emotionally respond to a situation? Can be helpful for me.
Your situation sounds very challenging. It is okay to say no sometimes, especially when you are tired. It is just as important to help yourself, as it is others. If you are giving all of the time, soon you will have nothing left. People don’t always like it when you develop boundaries and say “Sorry, not today. I need a break.”. But it’s okay for them not to like it. People can feel something about anything. It’s not your responsibility to manage everyone else’s emotions, just yourown.
I don’t know if any of this is relevant to your situation. But I wish you good luck in getting through this challenging period. If you have the funds and opportunity a therapist can be helpful.
HelcatParticipantHi Christin
Whilst it doesn’t sound like you were compatible romantically, it sounds like things were left on good terms. I think it might depend on the individual regarding appreciating contact. That being said, I think it’s a very kind idea. I know I would be happy to communicate as friends in that circumstance.
I think if you sent a message you’d very quickly find out if this individual would appreciate contact. Seems to me there’s nothing to lose. But perhaps it would be important to communicate boundaries if you are not interested in continuing dating? As people can be easily confused.
HelcatParticipantHi SantaFe
I think it’s reasonable to be concerned about your friend developing a relationship with someone that you hate.
Have you spoken to the friend that you are close to about how you are feeling yet (without demanding anything)?
HelcatParticipantHi Silent Rossi
I would agree, honesty and communication are important in relationships. I think a partner with those traits sounds ideal. Perhaps you are too hard on yourself and you have a better understanding of what you would like in a romantic partner than you realised?
Regarding bullying from peers. Children and teenagers can be sociopathic. A lot of people mature in their 20s and 30s. There are some good people out there, I promise. I hope that on your quest to find a partner you meet some kind people that value compassion as much as you do.
HelcatParticipantHi Jupiter
Congratulations on leaving your abusive marriage. It takes a lot of strength to do that. Statistics show that often it takes 7 attempts to leave an abusive partner before this is successfully achieved. I’m sorry for the abuse you endured in childhood and during the marriage. I hope that your life is calmer now?
I have also experienced a lot of abuse and my take is slightly different on abusive behaviour. I think that it is very easy. I remember when I was a child. As a result of my abuse I developed similar traits, even becoming violent.
Self control, being a good kind person is more difficult and takes effort.
Abusive people when put in different situations such as in front of others react entirely differently in front of others compared to how they would privately (when they feel there is no repurcussion for their behaviour). This reveals that they have the capacity for self control. They are making a conscious choice to violate boundaries. Why?
Well when I was a child hitting other children made me feel strong and powerful. I enjoyed hurting others, much in the same way I would imagine that my abuser enjoyed hurting me. Things quickly spun out of control. What started as beating up bullies, became assaulting my friends when they told a joke I didn’t like. At the age of 12 I decided enough was enough. I didn’t want to be like my abuser. I didn’t want to hurt my friends, so I had to practice self control, teach myself empathy and not hit anyone.
You have a lot of empathy for your abusive ex husband. My concern is does your empathy for him overshadow your compassion for yourself?
Sometimes it can be emotionally validating to say X was a B*!%# for physically abusing me.There are plenty of people who feel unlovable that don’t go on to abuse others. So I don’t believe that it explains the behaviour. You said yourself that you now share those feelings. Yet you are kind and empathetic. I doubt that you would ever harm anyone because of those feelings.
You strike me as a very intelligent, emotionally resilient woman and I honestly believe that in time you can recover from this, especially with the support of a skilled trauma therapist. Don’t be dishearted by the length of time it is taking. These things are not easy or quick, but indeed, possible. May your pain grow smaller in time!
July 28, 2022 at 3:51 pm in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #404676HelcatParticipantThank you for your kindness Honey Blossom! I’m feeling better now. Lovely to hear from you. How are you doing?
HelcatParticipantAlso, I’m sorry that someone told you that very human desires for sex or a partner are wrong. They are natural parts of life.
HelcatParticipantHi Silent Rossi
I agree with you about online dating. The statistics for men are shockingly awful to connect with matches. I do believe your goal to meet someone in person is a sensible one.
I understand where Jupiter is coming from. Personally, I refused to date anyone who didn’t take the time to get to know me as a person because asking me before they knew me felt very superficial.
One difficultly of befriending people and then dating is that people can lead you on. So my recommendation is not to leave it too long before asking someone out. A month is more than enough.
As a woman, I found it difficult when men befriended me, only to ask me out. Then abandoned the friendship when I said no. So it’s important to consider if friendship is something that you are happy to continue with someone who says no. It’s also important to accept no as an answer and emotionally move on.
Dating is very tricky because it is a lottery. When someone says no, it doesn’t reflect poorly on you. Even the most attractive men get rejected.
We all have ideas of what we are looking for in relationships on top of chemistry. My question to you is what traits do you think are important in a partner?
For me, kindness is important because abuse sucks. Talent/skill/passion are very attractive. Communication skills are generally important. Mental and physical health are beneficial. Confidence is also attractive. Taking care of your appearance (wearing well fitting clothes, styled hair etc) is a good way to show that you care about yourself. I think responsibility is an important trait when it comes to serious relationships as ultimately the plan is to build a life with a partner.
HelcatParticipantHi aVoid
To me, it sounds like you could have PTSD. I had a similar experience and for a large chunk of my life, I felt similarly. Empty, emotionless, lacking motivation.
Emotional numbing or repressing emotions often develops during abuse when it is not safe to express feelings. It can also be a coping mechanism to avoid feeling very intense emotions.
A trauma therapist can be helpful to learn to connect to these difficult emotions in a healthy way.
A specific symptom of depression can be a lack of interest in activities that you used to enjoy.
Do these sound like experiences that you identify with?
Hmm I tried various things with insomnia. I found melatonin helpful. Have you tried it yet? It is a sleep hormone that occurs in people. You can purchase it as a supplement. A very low dose 0.5mg is often recommended to mimic normal hormone production. But you can take more if needed. Some people find valerian root helpful. I wasn’t a fan though.
It’s taken a long time to train myself and develop sleep hygiene to get past the insomnia. Music was very helpful for me to relax and distract my mind. Anything that relaxes you can be helpful. It will take some time but I encourage you to experiment and develop a sleep hygiene routine that works for you.
When I’m very stressed I break out all of the tools, music, a cup of herbal sleepy tea, candles and teddies. It might be silly, but whatever works as long as it helps. I hope you get some sleep soon!
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