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Dear Anita,
Thank you for your exact analysis. You are absolutely spot on. How do you do that?
You are right that my Swiss friend had issues with the boyfriend. I think they broke up later. She was downloading all her frustration on me, telling me all kind of negative things about him and about all her friends. But later she went back to him and acted very friendly with her friends. Go figure out..
You are right about my French friend as well. It’s all about her. You cannot finish a sentence, she interrupts you, your life is so great but hers is terrible. I just lost my mother but she never asked how I was. When I had my mammography- a few weeks ago – she told me to have a great time. She trashes her friends behind their backs and pretends it’s fine. Last year I thought she was under this visa stress, that’s why she had so many meltdowns. But now she got her visa and things are not better. You are right. Nobody else exists. I really feel sorry for her husband. It’s difficult to believe that this charming, smiling, happy go lucky person can turn into this frustrated one who seems to hate everyone. Very strange. You are right about the lack of love in her life. She said her mother disliked her, she doesn’t have one single positive memory of their relationship. She is 67 now. She was apparently not loved by her first husband and she never loved him either. Somehow they made 3 children but never lived together. She chose to live on another continent with her children and her husband provided all the money for it. She doesn’t love her actual husband and she knows he does not love her either. It is quite possible because last year he asked me 3 times if I knew someone who could marry her. First I thought it was a joke but later I realized that he might have been serious. Now I even think she goes after money because her actual husband is extremely rich and she had made him change bank and she is telling him to sell his properties and buy new ones etc. She promised to sign a prenup but somehow it didn’t happen before the wedding and until today. I don’t know what else is on her mind but I really don’t want to know more 🙂 All in all, I feel light and relieved to be out of her dramas. I am maybe naive and first I always believe what people tell me, that’s why I end up in such weird situations. I will think about it.
Thank you again, Anita.
EvFranParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for taking time for rereading my posts. That’s correct, except that I never stay at friend’s place, unless they ask me to. They offer and they say I can stay as long as I want to. The friend in Switzerland offered me her flat but she was not around. She had a boyfriend and stayed with him most of the time. I maintained her flat, cleaned etc and when she came home for a night, I would cook dinner. I am definitely not a parasite-style and usually I stay even with family 2 days or maxi 5. As my friend didn’t have other issues than the honey pots and after buying 5 brand new and special pots I thought the problem was solved. That’s why I was shocked by her unfriendly behavior.
The other incident happened last year. Another person, in France, offered me her place. She exclusively invited me. It’s a very big, a huge house, so everybody has privacy. I started to do the laundry, huge bedsheets, her and her husband’s clothes. I ironed everything. I was taking care of the plants – it takes 2 days until you water the garden if one wants to take care of them properly. I fixed her pool which took weeks because it hadn’t been maintained properly. I took care of her 2 cats. I help preparing food, serving to guests, cleaning up afterwards. She and her husband travel a lot, so I would stay in the house during that time. She tells me she can only trust me. This summer I had to leave for 10 days because a good friend asked me previously to her, to cat-sit. I told her about this date before I arrived at her place. But 2 days before I left, she asked me to cancel him and stay in her house because she could only trust me and she had to be in the US during 5 weeks. I told her that I wouldn’t cancel my other friend. So she had to pay 600€ for someone for 10 days. Just for watering the plants. She was very upset about paying someone. She never tells me ahead about her schedule. So I am often there alone, I cannot really leave the property because she is afraid that someone would break in. When she is there, she tells me about all her childhood and mariage problems. She yells at her husband every day. Often because of small things like he ate a boiled egg! She is extremely friendly and kind when we are with others and that’s how I knew her. But at home it seems that she is frustrated, impossible to please. She needs audience I guess and I think that her husband and I are boring after a while. Last year she knew that I would eventually leave before winter. In October I told her I would leave in the end of November because I had stuff in Asia. Actually, she suggested that I ship everything from there to her place in France, so we can start our business. That’s what she promised several times already. When I left, she stopped talking to me. A friend of her told me that she was very upset because I left. But she never told me. She just cut me off. Somehow we started to chat when mum died in March. She asked me on May 26th if I could fly to her place on May 30th. I said yes. I arrived and the next day they were gone for 3 weeks. I didn’t know that. We were supposed to work on our business plan. I am happy to help her out and I feel for her – she needed to get married because of an overstayed visa issue. The relationship was not working at all but she had no other solution. So I understand her frustration. Anyway, I said yes, but I told her I needed to go back to carry on with the admin stuff after mum’s death. She said ok. But in between she had to leave again and asked me to stay a month longer. Which I did. But it was always clear that I would leave. So now she cut me off again. That’s why I think she is narcistic. Sorry for being so long but I wanted to highlight a bit more the situation. I really don’t like to stay at people’s place for a longer period. If they need cat or house sitting and they ask me, I do it. I don’t get paid, I do all the housework. I don’t pay for the room but I am very energy-conscious and i don’t use a lot of electricity. I don’t take long showers either. I often cook my own food. I left this friend’s house in France 2 weeks ago because I still take care of my uncle and have to carry on with the admin after mum. I wrote to her and no answer to my messages. So I guess she is upset again. These silent treatments are very difficult to stand and I told her once. But it seems that it was useless. Why does she tell me she trusts me and love me if once I leave, she doesn’t keep in touch. I think a friendship can be maintained even when we are in different countries.
In a nutshell, she wanted to do business with me years ago, she asked me to stay at her house, she is upset when I am not there. Her idea 2 years ago was that she would put one of my articles to her etsy page, just to see if it sells. I said ok, so I went to my storage in another country, 800 km away and brought a few articles. It costed me money and energy. Etsy has never happened. Instead she recreated all my logo and texts without even asking me. When I went to cat-sit to my friend’s, she told me I should be paid. I didn’t need to do anything, just take care of the cats and she wanted me to ask money for it. I work hard to maintain her property during weeks, months, and she doesn’t pay me, but she wants me to ask my best friend for money. I am really confused what’s going on in her head. I am not complaining about the situation, I just wonder why I got into it again. I won’t repeat it, for sure. She can tell me she loves and trusts me, I will stay away 🙂
EvFranParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for asking. Unfortunately mum passed away unexpectedly in March this year. So I am dealing with a lot. I haven’t recovered yet after my boyfriend’s death. I am functioning OK and hopefully I can focus now more on the task I need to do.
I hope that you are back and all good.
Eva
EvFranParticipantDear LunaIsHere,
Thanks so much for sharing your experience , especially your advice. As it happened to me again, I think I will start writing a letter to her, which I will not send. As I mentioned in my answer to nycartist, what surprises me is that they want you so much in their lives, they tell you nice things and then they drop you. As I was in a similar situation recently, I think that I attract narcistic personalities who kind of download all their psychological problems to me and when it’s done, they kind of don’t need me anymore. Both cases were very similar. Outside very kind, social, smiling people, you would think they love everybody, but once at home, they tell you horrible things about the others, how they dislike them etc. And the next day they call these people and do them favors, the are kind to them. So I think it’s a bit unhealthy and very confusing. So in the end I think it’s good not to have them in my life. But I really need to find out why I get ‘trapped ‘. What occurs in me that I believe these people. What kind of lack or need I have that they use me as an emotional trash bin. Or am I just too polite to say stop to them. I definitely hate confrontations, especially with friends, so maybe I just do all this to avoid confrontation… I will figure it out 🙂
EvFranParticipantDear nycartist,
Thanks for reaching out. My concern with certain friendships is that they start to get closer, they invite you all the time, they tell you they love you, they offer their help or home, they say how talented you are etc. And then they let you drop with no understandable reason. That’s what confuses me the most. It happened me recently again. I think that I might attract narcistic people. They talk a lot about their issues, I listen because I am interested in the beginning, then they talk more about their interpersonal issues, reporting the same stories, I still listen, out of politeness this time. They usually never ask how you are, what’s up with you. And one day, usually when you are not around, they disappear, don’t answer your messages. I need to move because of my work but for me it doesn’t mean that I am not available for others. I check in, I ask how things are, how the kitties are doing, I keep in touch. But as you say, not everybody is like this. I just don’t get why they say they love you so much if they cut off as soon as you are away. No clue 🙂 I probably have lots of expectations. So I have to work on that. It’s terrible for me to realize that I cannot really count on anybody. Even when they promised you the stars and say that they love you to death. Lessons learned. Nevertheless, I don’t give up, I believe in true and long lasting friendships!
EvFranParticipantHi Roberta,
Thanks for your answer. You are right, it’s a general problem, it seems. At least in Europe. I was also thinking of tracking. Maybe he could go together with his mum, so they could get closer and maybe talk about what bothers him in depth. Although he has done therapy which didn’t seem to help much. The other thing I thought of was working for an NGO in Africa or in India. Maybe he would realize how good his life is here and he would feel useful by helping others. Who knows what’s going on in his head.
Have a nice week ahead.
EvFranParticipantTa Tee, that’s exactly what I think: I am nobody’s savior and I definitely don’t preach. I also thought that if he wants, we can go for a drink and I can tell him stories of my life which might wake up his creativity and motivate him to use it in a positive way: write or paint or who knows. I think there is just a fine line about how you use your energy. One just needs to find it. Sometimes a book can can be life changing.
Have a great weekend.
EvFranParticipantDear Tee,
Thanks so much for your answer. Actually, I have only met him once. I have just reconnected with my old school friend whose sister invited me to her bday. That’s where I met him and that’s where my friend’s sister told me about the disastrous stories of him. Smoking weed, not studying, doing stupid things while high. They have suggested him many options, even found jobs for him but he doesn’t want any of them. Today they set a deadline by when he has to move out of the flat, sell his car in order to pay for the stupidity he had done and find a job or continue university. He said ok. As I travel a lot and he found me ‘cool’ at the bday party, my friend’s sister hopes that I can talk to him and maybe have a good ‘influence’ on him or convince him to get his stuff together. But I’d rather agree with you. If he doesn’t want to change, even God would be unable to make him change. Additionally, I don’t have kids myself, so I might not be the right person to give advice 🙂
EvFranParticipantThanks a lot, Tee. That’s exactly what she is doing. She has stopped giving him money but still buy him food. He lives separately in one of their apartments, I think he doesn’t need to pay the rent. Therapy would be a good idea. Apparently he has read many books on psychology, mainly on how to manipulate people. I can fully understand that nowadays it’s not easy for young people. Moralizing is not a solution either. I just don’t know how to support my friend. They are absolutely clueless because he just doesn’t want to do anything…. I promised I would talk to him but don’t really know what else i can say.
EvFranParticipantDear Anita,
Sorry for my late answer but I check in less since you left. And also, my mum is very I’ll, so I had to come to europe – from Asia – in emergency. I was standing at the airport in thongs and t-shirt in the middle of below 0 🙂 I haven’t been to Europe in winter since 10 years… So now I am taking care of mum and her brother who is also sick, has no family and cannot do anything at the moment.
I sincerely think that your work is essential here. Everybody is lovely and seems concerned but somehow, I always found your analysis fantastic. And additionally, as I mentioned, you never let anybody down, you always got back to the person as you promised. Which is, unfortunately, rare in life nowadays. People talk so much but rarely follow up. They even forget what they say 🙂
Nevertheless, you should do what you feel right. If you don’t get back, it’s fine. I am very happy that people like you exist.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I have just read the comments in Anita’s Choice to Leave but I couldn’t find anything from you. Could you please tell me again where you submitted your posts on 15th? I would like to read. Many thanks.</p>
EvFranParticipantHi Debbie,
You are forgiven 🙂 I think sometimes it helps a bit to know that we are not alone. Because, as far as i am concerned, I always look for some error on my side. Try to find out what I have done wrong etc. It’s such a shame when a friend disappear without communication. But in the end, it’s their solution to something…
EvFranParticipantHi everyone,
I’ve been reading this blog with interest and pleasure for years. I found it was a safe, kind and serious place, especially because of Anita’s answers. She takes people’s questions very seriously, has objective and intelligent answers. She always follows up, never lets anybody down. I have the feeling that she is one of the solid rocks of this forum. Her answers to others’ questions helped me as well. I have always admired her professionalism and the time she invested in her comments. She often says she will be back in 10 or 20 hours 🙂 And she is. As I said: she never let’s anybody down.
I rarely react on the internet as I don’t really trust it and I don’t like to talk about myself. Now I feel I should communicate because I think that this forum will not be the same without Anita’s kind and intelligent presence. And even though I am not an active member, she should know that her precious contribution can touch and help people all over the world without her knowing it.
Nevertheless, I fully understand that she needs a break but I hope that this conflict will be solved in a peaceful way and she will be back soon. In the end that’s why this forum exists, doesn’t it.
EvFranParticipantDear Anita,
I really hope that you will not be “removed”! As far as I understood during the time I was reading your answers to people on this forum, you are a wonderful person who really cares of people, read their messages and your answers are always considerate, objective and aim to help. You are always patient and take everybody’s problem seriously. I’ve been always wondering how you do it!
Please have my whole support, in case it helps keep you on this forum.
EvFranParticipantDear Helicat,
Thanks for your answer. It’s true, many people have this out of sight, out of mind attitude.
EvFranParticipantDear Anita,
It’s so sad that you’ll be ‘removed” after such a long time of contributing to the forum. Thanks for your valuable comments.
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