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I’d apply it to that first guy, the obssesion and swings from love and happiness to despair and desparation.
But, with this second one, I’m less sure. I’m not really obsessed with him, nor was I. I liked him but I didn’t live my life according to him, nor did I when we were closer, nor now. Now, if anything I’m just upset and feel a bit stupid and hurt. It was reciprocated, as much as it could be. I never chased him or had to bargain with him for attention.
BenParticipantIn fact I haven’t even talked to the guy from that other thread since I wrote the last posts on it! (Which I hope is progress)
BenParticipant<p style=”text-align: left;”>Hi Anita</p>
This is about a totally different guy actually! That thread was the first, whom I’d met in 2013 originally. This guy I met in 2018, a totally different story!BenParticipantThanks for replying.
I guess the part of me that liked him since the start, wanted to be near him and be with him and around him.
I know in any other case I would have simply not even considered it an option because he was already with someone. But with him, gosh, I was so ready when he opened up and so ready to accept it all.
I don’t even know if it was a part of me that lead me to this. I was telling myself all the time it was silly. Maybe it was simply my feelings for him that drew me in.
BenParticipantI think, this is what I finally am seeing today, that it’s with someone else my heart should lie. Takes a while to heave it out of place, set it free, dust it off again, but it will work. I’m seeing the learning it whats happened, not self-guilt, not telling myself I did something bad and can only continue to do so. If this is what I take back with me on the plane, then perfect. That happy-sad feeling of moving on but with new opportunity around the corner. It’s scary but its like I’m peeling back a big curtain. Not that the curtain is scary, but before I’ve been scared of what’s behind it. I really can move on, step into my own journey once more.
BenParticipantYeah, I have accepted that all now and I agree with you. He isn’t ready, or willing, and perhaps never will be ready to have a proper relationship, he only tells himself and those he meets that, perhaps because of his own fantasy or delusion. It doesnt matter to me though, because it is over. I dont think he’s a bad person, just perhaps not fully aware of his actions. Doesn’t matter anyway, I am no longer attaching my dreams or wishes of a man to him, I am actively detaching them. Seeing him as a human nonetheless, with whatever issues he has, but detaching myself from him so I can move on. I am merely processing what happened to simply be able to accept it, move on, not judge myself or anyone else. No bad taste in my mouth, no bitterness towards myself either. I can still want the same of someone, I do have a legitimate expectation of a relationship. And, it wasnt wrong or foolish of me to think I saw that in him, but that is all it was, I thought I saw it in him. But, it is over. Sure, the future is the future, maybe I will see him again someday, but I dont plan on waiting for him at all, especially romantically. I want something better. I dont want to get tied to him ever again. (I need to 100% believe this yet I still need to see how it wasn’t good, but that will come with time as I accept what happened.) Im even slowly unravelling all the processes id developed that stop me from considering other guys. Slowly seeing how often I over-attached myself to him. And, this process feels good. Its scary when I lapse and think of him and feel jealous and hurt by what hes doing now… taking romantic pics of him with the guy in Argentina… but I removed him from instagram and as I move on, I will feel that urge to look less and less. Its a little sad, I think I feel sorry for myself. Perhaps too proud still to admit it was what it was (I cant think of a constructive word for the experience), but no worries.
I am focussing on me and me alone.
BenParticipantIdk if this will help you, but I think you answered your own question.
My plan right now is to work on me. Period. I’m not going to attempt to manipulate the process or throw wrenches into her decision. I respect my wife enough to give her the space she requires, even if it means going through with a divorce.
Do this. And only this. Don’t think about it any other way. If you’re meant to be, she’ll find her way back to you. If you get back together but you kinda manipulated it, it wouldn’t feel honest anyway. You’d feel like you had some influence over it, then if there’s any trouble in the future, you’ll blame yourself again. So, let the universe or fate or whatever bring you back together.
BenParticipantI used to have the passion, I was in love with the idea. But, perhaps right now its not what I need. Or, I dont need to learn one with all the baggage of him attached. Spanish doesnt have that baggage attached to it at all, and I have had a hankering to pick it up again.
It was certainly a fantasy, even when reality. Most communcations were about a future, always a future together. So much so that even when we were a more ‘real” couple, Id never realise that we were far away and that wasnt building a real bond. Instead it was endless plans and plans, constantly refining the same ones, agreeing, but never starting, never realising these dreams, plans together. And well, this time, I think it came to a head that it was indeed only a fantasy.
I realised this too, I should have seen it more objectively, I was so stuck in my old mindset, that endless fantasizing, this time I didnt see it for how fragile, fleeting it was. I kept telling myself “wow he really is the one”… but this time it was more hesitant, I was doubting it because it wasnt real anymore… he wasnt a proper boyfriend. I told myself that it was my fault, but that was the doubts from before. This time, it really wasnt working.
In some sense, it was nice… if I look at it as a brief heady re-encounter and nothing more, so be it. Life goes on… that takes away the self blame that I was the idiot over-dedicated to someone who didnt feel the same. No guilt-tripping needed. Let it all go…
BenParticipantYou think its monogamy? Interesting. His English was terrible in the conversation we finished the relationship with.. he wrote the last message out and I couldn’t figure out if it was “I don’t want to be just with you” which, I get, we’re both young, and I had plenty of over the shoulder moments too… That helps me to accept it better and he just didn’t want to commit to it. Fair enough. Or was it just simply “I don’t want to be with you”… which is just rude and childish. Not that it matters, I suppose I can interpret it how I want if the first option makes me feel more at peace, doesn’t change anything after all. He’d said too “maybe if we were together it would be different”… which is stupid as he was the one determined to keep traveling after we’d met again. Anyway, I’m not pontificating.
The future? I don’t know, I think I have a couple of options, emailed a few schools etc. One in Mexico, another in Spain. if that doesn’t work out, I think ill come home anyway. Just do whatever, maintain a positive attitude. Have a plan to save money and go travelling. Perhaps it says a lot that I still see it as home? I worry about going home to my parents, but they seem to have a healthier attitude towards it. I worry I~’ll go an dissolve again, waiting for someone on a dating app to fulfill my dreams (not that i’ll let it happen but… I fear). They say they won’t let me do that and will push me to get a job anyway… and that’s what I want to do. Maybe spend time re-adjusting my life… I saw there are a couple therapists in my hometown, so If I did go home, get a job, earn money, I could be there, yes, but be taking care of myself and moving on. Then, who knows… maybe Australia.
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BenParticipantYeah, true. I worry It would be doing as I often do in my life, giving someone else the power over the decision. Im only leaving cos of him! That’s just symptomatic of my issues, tho, right? Im actually making a decision to preserve my sense of self now, by choosing to go where I feel best. Its a genuine act of self-preservation. I can leave and tell myself that, or continue telling myself other people have power over my life… right? haha i~m still undecided on somethings. Its a little drastic, sure, and some people do see it as such… but it feels right. I see myself in other places and feeling freer, nothing better than a change to… change!
BenParticipantIt seems like you liked his attention, perhaps because of your own need for it. It could be any other guy.
Also, you have that feeling of “hmmm but he might get better, improve himself”… he might, its good you have faith in humanity. But, sometimes that just leads us astray. How are you gonna do that? If he wants to improve, he has to confront his issues! Are you gonna help with that, or even confront them by telling him? If the answer is no, then just leave him. You know he~’ll probably like giving girls attention (thousands of female facebook friends), so he’ll come back, you’ll enjoy this feeling, and tell yourself you’re helping him… but really you’re helping yourself, for a bad reason, thats why you feel uneasy.
If you want to help him sincerely, challenge. No change happens in a state of equilibrium. He clearly has issues he cant deal with, so address them if you want to. Otherwise, leave it.
BenParticipantYeah she basically used a technique I had specifically told her about and said that last time it hadnt worked. And I told other people about it and they all said it was like quackery.
Im thinking about deleting him from my life, my ex. But, a part of me wants to just be friends too. Im mixed between jealousy, being kind of angry that he “moved on” so quickly, then an urge to move on entirely myself. I mean, for him it was different… he met someone from a long time ago and liked them again. For me, id been romanticizing him all that time. Yikes. Well anyway im not thinking about that part of it so much, I just dont want to feel like an idiot. I think im a bit hurt by it, but, in a way, its not his fault. Ok, if he was suggesting buying rings, you dont say to someone a month later “sorry, i dont think I love you”… that was a dick move. A part of me also thinks… maybe if id talked to him more since we said goodbye, he wouldnt have drifted off. He said he didnt feel it anymore since he was away from me. Didnt I start to feel the same?
One minute I think I should just leave the country, it isnt working here very well in general after all. I chatted with my parents and my dad said “you know you never smile when we ask how you are, you always just say “yeah im ok” or “im alright”. Rather than taking it as a judgement of his I realised it myself, id been feeling the same the last few weeks. Im not enjoying, loving life here. Im just surviving. I dont know if the new stimulus of moving somewhere new, perhaps after deleting my ex from my life totally (blocking him on social media totally) would help. Land somewhere new, start a life knowing he isnt coming back, and that I am not going back to him. It might seem drastic but I think remaining here is not the right way. Too much reminds me of him, the language, everything, im reminded of how I came here just for him.
At the same time, I feel like another way to move on is just be at peace with it. Maybe still leave the country, but why not just be his friend? Not message him all the time, let the dust settle etc. I feel like sometimes people block people out but that sort of means they stay with them anyway as a sort of bad energy. Or am I doing that just because I still want to be close to him? But then… don’t lots of people still talk to their ex’s? Isnt blocking him making a big deal out of it? I feel like removing him from my life again would hurt. We shared a lot after all, and in person we still get on well. Ok, for a few weeks, months I should probably do the “no contact” thing to focus on myself. But sometimes I wonder if blocking is childish… after all, I should mentally change my opinion of him and blocking is just social media… I dont know if im really angry at him, or just angry at myself for letting it go on for so long in the blind hope the over romanticized fantasy future with him would materialize.
BenParticipantI feel so confused. I know I don’t need him as my boyfriend, we did kind of agree to stay friends, which is a good situation, I think partially not having him in my life was one of hte reasons I couldn’t move on… I couldn’t see that he had moved on. I can accept we’re not meant to be. I’m on my own now, and I can pursue whatever I want.
Idk I had a bad, annoying therapy session yesterday. I specifically told her I didn’t like that my previous therapist did “visualizations” but all about the colours I was seeing rather than proper psychoanalysis and helping me use tools to control my anxieties. So today I was in a bad mood anyway. I commented on the picture and then pow.
It’s a double whammy. I’m furious with the therapist, that really took me out of myself. I left without knowing how to cope with my problems for this week. Then today, I’m totally lost over this. It wasn’t a full “well gosh that’s over then” like I had wanted.
There was no opening up for me to take the space left by him leaving the relationship. I downloaded tinder and what was I doing? Manically swiping again. I’m looking for someone else to fill the void, it should be me. I’m blaming the therapist for making me feel a certain way. I remember the good advice, the good feeling, from the week earlier, that had helped me feel a lot better. But now when I remember it, I get flustered about this week’s crappy session and it all goes out the window. I can’t just be here, in my room (alone as usual)… I want to meet people but only because I crave attention again not because I want to meet new people.
I feel a bit hopeless, helpless and lonely.
BenParticipantWell it happened today, I commented on a picture on instagram, he said he couldn’t be in a relationship with me. Probably he was screwing that guy he was staying with in Argentina. Whatever.
I feel weird now, I feel free… I don’t have much hope for future relationships. I told myself so much in this one that it was my fault and carried that with me for nearly 2 years, I don’t know how to have a life of my own anymore. Well, I get glimpses. When I was threatening to break up with him in my head I would tell myself I could go live a life. But, I’m sort of trapped with this idea of a future with him.
Not completely, I must say.
I can see my whole life as my own, now, actually. But, I don’t know what the next step is. Do I stay in Brazil, try to have my own life here? I can kind of imagine one, but I feel like my heart lies elsewhere.
I can also see how I stopped myself doing this before. I kept returning to this false reality. Even when I didn’t talk to him. I can almost see it now, kind of “no but it’ll work out in the end”… but it won’t. Ugh…. what the hell do I do now?
BenParticipantAgain another revelation. That’s exactly it Anita. Precisely how I feel. A pickle indeed.
Indeed I can detect this the whole way back. Even when we were not dating, just messaging (this was before the fateful holiday), I could be more realistic about the situation, at the time. I would feel separation anxiety. Why hadnt he messaged? Waaaa. But, I would control myself with the fact of the situation, we werent together, just a but attached romantically. I saw growth though, perhaps mistakenly, as each time I got nervous, anxious, I let the thought pass. I felt stronger each time, that I was growing through my pain by connecting with someone. Regardless, I was building up my life after all. Plans included him but not always, I was going to visit him in Brazil, sure, but I was going to come back and do my masters (Though I was never 100% on that). Perhaps now in a relationship I let the anxiety run amok, as if its justified now because of the relationship. (Whatever kind of relationship it is but thats beside this point). His behaviour triggers it extremely in me and throws me off. I cant properly process his behaviour cos it sends me into overdrive.
I will keep working on the anxiety. I mustn’t forget the idea of progress, im moving forward in life etc. Otherwise I will just play this record again and again. I have to expunge this anxiety, for better or worse relationship wise, but more importantly for me to have clarity. But at least now I know why just downing tools and leaving him feels like a release, but a false one a temporary one, one that isnt cathartic. I am at peace but this confusing mesh of emotions overwhelms my thoughts, feelings, judgements. It sneaks up on me and strangles my ability to have any meaningful relationship. I used to get it with any guy… even a guy I would meet in a club, when he would talk to his friends! A guy I maybe had known for 20 minutes… maybe he goes to buy a drink, i´d be expecting him to never come back! This comes out in the interactions with my boyfriend. I end up feeling like… idk, I acted how did not want to act. I want to act like I was before, disengaging the anxiety, learning growing.
I know I can do that with anybody, of course, It doesnt matter if its him or not… I suppose its him at this moment. Idk. Idk whether to try and communicate more, to “exercise the good muscle”, work through my anxieties. Let them arise but talk to the therapist about them, or… leave?
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