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May 31, 2017 at 4:37 am #151326ChelleParticipant
Dear Jon,
No doubt Anita has shed lights on many people here.
Thank you. I think I know exactly what I want from a relationship, but I still am searching for it. I’m sorry to hear about your childhood experience. And I am sure you would understand my situation too, with that experience before. It feels good to hear that I’m not alone on this (even though it’s not something that I would want others to experience).
Love is a difficult topic and concept. There’s so many types of love and one has to dive in and really pull it apart to understand what it means to an individual, and what boundaries are important for that particular individual. I just hope I get better at this, without hurting too many people on the way.
All the best.
May 30, 2017 at 2:47 pm #151268ChelleParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your kind and insightful words as always. I think it takes a lot of courage to undo old learnings and perseverance to change and keep up with the new behaviour. But I will try my best not to fall back into the comfort zone.
Best,
Michelle
May 29, 2017 at 2:47 pm #151150ChelleParticipantInky: Haha. Thanks
Dear Anita,
When I read your reply last night, I was beyond words. Finally, everything is unfolding, and I see the light. This morning I re-read it again. And you are spot on with so many things.
I can understand why my real mother unconsciously treat me this way, and I believe that she doesn’t even know how she was treated was passed onto me. Everything is about her childhood too, how she was treated and how she learned. I don’t blame her at all, and I’m just so grateful and happy that I can break this pattern. That I can live for myself. Breaking free.
“That’s why I buried my heart for so long.” Yes. Even though I’m learning the new behavioural pattern of showing vulnerability and asking for what I want, I can still see my habitual behaviour sometimes, that I just want to numb the sadness inside me and act cool about what had happened. I guess as you mentioned in the last post, I need to keep practising in interactions with people so to be better at listening and following my heart.
About my marriage, you wrote “my need is non-negotiable”. That pierced into my heart in a good way. You are absolutely right. And what you wrote also led me to think that I also need this from my partner. That he also loves physical comfort. That he is also willing to share his vulnerability, and shows his feelings. I think this emotional sharing is vital for me in a relationship to feel connected.
I’m so happy and grateful that this has cleared up a lot. Not 100% yet but at least it has unravelled a lot of the issues that came from my childhood and what impact it made on me. I look forward to the continuation of the magic.
Thank you Anita.
May 28, 2017 at 3:05 pm #150988ChelleParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your reply.
Yes you are right. My childhood was lonely – at least from what I remember. But maybe my memories are distorted. I was sent to study in boarding school alone when I was 12, from what I remember, those years of boarding school I didn’t have very close friends and family is in another country. Whenever I tell my mother that I wanted to leave and go back home, she’d comfort me with her words. There were no showing of physical affections (well she couldn’t because we were in different countries). And so yes, probably that led me to think sadness is terrible. Because whenever I am sad, I was taught that I need to rationalise it, and I can only be comforted by rationalisation.
So I have to mention something that happened during the trip. The magic that I said. I was trekking with 2 other women, one is a mother and the other is her daughter in Nepal. That day I was sick and I had low sugar in my body, I almost fainted. That mother hold me like a child, stroked my hair, put me on her thigh and just rock me like a baby. For the first time I felt that being weak and vulnerable is okay. There’s someone there to comfort me, and love me, even though she isn’t my real mother. If it was my mother would probably give me something to eat, and let me lie down on my own. Another experience I had was when I was in Munich, I was very sad, my friend would hold me tight and tell me it’ll be okay. Both experiences led me to realise that when I’m sad, I didn’t have to talk myself out of misery, not at that moment. I can just feel sad and it is okay, and I will be comforted.
Back to the topic of marriage, previously you told me to discover what it is, what is in it. I tried to explore what marriage is, what love is, what it means to me, what I want in a marriage. I don’t need a 100% intimacy relationship, but I need some, probably more than most people. And I find that to be connected, I need to be vulnerable, and show my vulnerability. In the last thread, you said “âSomething is just not rightâ- you know it but your awareness of what it is that is wrong, the awareness is limited. You âcanât explainâ because your eyes, figuratively, are closed. You donât want to see what is painful to see.”. Now I think I can see clearly what wasn’t right. The relationship we have is very logical, to me it’s lacking emotional bonding, especially when I feel sad or angry. When I show him my vulnerable side, he would, like my real mother, try to talk me out of misery or anger. Or he would leave me alone until I’m calmed down and then talk about it. Yes I agree sometimes this is a better solution, yet I also need the physical closeness to feel that I’m needed or loved especially when I am vulnerable.
You are probably right about the bonding with my real mother – that it will not happen, at least not the ways I need.
So now knowing what I want and need for bonding, is it possible to tell e.g. my husband that this is what I need to feel connected? Will expressing this help in current relationships with other people? Or as you said, bonding needs to be with someone else?
Thanks Anita, sorry this is a long reply.
Michelle
May 27, 2017 at 10:29 pm #150926ChelleParticipantDearest Anita,
I’m so happy to hear from you, and glad to know that you are well.
here’s the link to our previous conversation:
https://tinybuddha.com/topic/how-to-listen-to-my-heart-better/
I look forward to hearing what you would say. It’d be insightful again I’m sure.
And yes, I also believe that magical things can still happen.
Michelle
July 2, 2016 at 6:49 am #108719ChelleParticipantThanks Anita,
That is very helpful. I will look into beginner’s mind and mindfulness. Thank you for your insightful guidance.
July 1, 2016 at 9:08 pm #108705ChelleParticipantDear Anita,
You are absolutely spot on with – “don’t know how to deal with sadness”. Sadness is a terrible thing for me, whether it’s the emotion in me or the emotion in others. I try so hard to numb “sorrow” inside me, and “save” others from being sad.
And yes – you are also spot on on “emotional experience/relationship seem alien”. In general, I did have relationship issues with people, whether they are friends or love relationships. I had problems setting boundaries (like what sort of boundaries are for friendships, and what sort of boundaries are for love relationships, and how much should I open up to others), and from hearing from you, I think I still do. I still think I have issues or doubt on forming bonds with others, especially what type of bonds.
“Bring my heart to my experiences, to my interactions, closest to 100%” I think that’s what I’ve been trying to do since 5 years ago. I guess the pathways between heart and rational part is still not strong enough, and not in every aspect of my life. I’m doing it well in career wise, but not in relationships.
“start as if I was five years old” Would that be irresponsible? I mean – there are things that you can’t really act as a 5 year old?
Michelle
July 1, 2016 at 1:50 am #108650ChelleParticipantHi Anita,
Sure – I was a really shy kid – whom tend to behave well and listen to my parents well. At 12 years old, my parents decided to put me in a boarding school in England which I refused to go, and I did escape the entry exam as a mean of voicing out that I don’t want to go. But it’s all for the best of me. I on the other hand went there feeling abandoned, during the teenage years I had several periods (at age 15 and 17 and 19) where I told my parents I wanted to return home (hong kong) but again, rejected (for better of me). So at that time I learned to be a people pleasing person to feel accepted and loved. Most of the time, I respect and follow what my parents want me to do.
But then I went into depression 5 years ago and I went to see a therapist to seek help. It was then I had a proper talk, well big conflict discussion with my parents about how things were and how I felt etc. It was also then I started to listen more to my heart. Right now my parents and I are in good terms – we have our boundaries in things, they know mine and I know theirs, but I don’t feel connected to them other than that.
June 30, 2016 at 4:32 pm #108632ChelleParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your reply!
Yes to see myself as I am and to see others as they are, that’s what I meant by brutally honest with myself – but this is a never-ending process I find – the more you live, the more you know about yourself, and the more you need to change accordingly, if it’s to follow that quest.
When you say “we instinctively withdraw from pain”, that’s so true. But then there are also times where I think that or I should think that “things will work out for its best” or “i’m just being negative”.
What is painful to see – well, I love my husband and all that, but I feel there’s a connection missing. When I re-evaluate what love is and what I want for love (still not sure what the answer is really), I guess now I have a different viewpoint than before. I thought I wanted someone who just needs to understand me 70% and the rest I keep to myself, so to stay sane in a relationship, I won’t go crazy and lost myself in a relationship. I guess what’s painful to see is to end this.
You mentioned about childhood – I really need to think hard about this. It’s a new thought I need some more time to investigate on. One of my parents was distressed you are right, but I am not sure whether I believed then that it was my job to fix her. Maybe in subconscious ways I did? She had a distressful childhood and so when I was a child, well, in my memory, she was quite pessimistic all the time.
What do you think Anita?
June 29, 2016 at 9:26 pm #108539ChelleParticipantHi Maria and Anita,
I had a day retreat yesterday because it was my birthday. And I thought it would be a good thing to do for my birthday. I do feel more at peace with myself, helping me to re-evaluate things.
Anita:
One of the consequences is that I feel I jumped into my marriage too quickly. At that time I did have a hunch of making a second thought to this marriage thing, and from what I remember, at that time I felt that I should say yes because that guy (my husband now) previously had a rough time breaking up with his ex-fiance, and I didn’t want to break his heart again – like making him feel he can’t find love (old habits of thinking other people’s first). And when things go flowing and people swapping at you about weddings etc, I didn’t get the time to listen carefully to what my heart says, or so I believe.I don’t know whether this is a fog in the air or what it is – when now getting better at listening and being brutally honest with myself, I find myself not wanting a “normal life” – have a stable job, have kids, etc, And recently it dawned onto me that however much we try to understand and communicate with each other, something is just not right – I can’t explain – it’s a feeling I guess.
Thanks for listening, it’s hard to write all these deep feelings down, maybe I’m just blinded, but I would really appreciate any insights from you (and others).
June 27, 2016 at 9:11 pm #108389ChelleParticipantHi Maria,
Thank you!!! It’s been a tough road but it does get better and better.
I seems to be getting better at connecting with my true self, for it to be revealed, just that at certain situations, I am still hiding it, ashamed of it? or maybe denying it.
You are absolutely right about the only way to change is how I react to these challenges <— this is really something that I think I need to learn. I’ve been going back to my past and reading my diary so I can get a better idea of what problems i had and trying to see what sort of lessons that I’m suppose to learn here. Sometimes I find myself drilling into it so much that I wasn’t sure whether it’s my mind talking or my heart talking.
Maybe a proper retreat will help me listen to my heart very carefully as you suggested. And yes!!!!! Being brutally honest with myself… this is hard, very hard. Cause this is also related to whether people will like me the way I am, and being vulnerable and accepting my weaknesses.
Thank you for your insight Maria đ
June 27, 2016 at 9:01 pm #108388ChelleParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for replying and giving me such an insight. You are right about me feeling not perfecting the change. I do sometimes hope the new pathways can be built faster, so I make less “mistakes”? Yes I am trying to keep moving forward at this direction, it’s going to be tough when there’s conflict with the consequences I caused and what I want to do. And often at these times that I choose, my usual behaviour, to take care of other’s need first. SO I guess I just have to learn to deal with conflicts better.
Thank you for your time!
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