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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
I agree, my “short” or recent path is quite courageous, uncommon, and something I am proud of.
I want to shift gears into an area.. It is my relationship with my husband. I won’t even say marriage because we have been married only about 8 months, and it is more about the whole relationship since i met him, and even my patterns in other relationships.
Now, this isn’t something i avoid writing or talking about per se, but it is more that it it is so complicated, deep, and unrelatable to most that I don’t bring it up. Also, it is so intertwine with the torture and abuse of my parents – making it more complicated and difficult.
Well I will begin, and bear with me as I know this will be rambling, often hard to follow, and perhaps all over the place. But I know that speaking about my mother was once that way – and look at how much clarity I found after time with the help of your guidance. This is different in so many ways, and of course I do not expect the same result – nor am I putting any pressure on you to enlighten me. I just want to share, organize my thoughts, and of course hear whatever you may have to say.
I also want to point out, that when I have spoken about this – I have said it in a narrative. It is easy to speak in narrative, it is looking back and reading a story with highlights. This time, I do not want to do that. Simply narrating past events doesn’t get me to root causes, root issues, patterns, current distress, and perhaps even future problems. Narrating is story telling. I don’t want to graze the surface. So I will try my best to explain. I will also try my best to explain without over analyzing or diagnosing (which is hard sometimes).
There are certain patterns that I have had in the past. I had a boyfriend from the age of 15-21. He was sweet, kind, incredible. We had a strong bond, and long story short he was an incredible guy. Around the age of 20 or so I found myself doubting the relationship, not because of any issues in it – but more of the “grass is greener” mentality. More than the typical teenager, wondering what else is out there – It was different for me. (and mind you this is WAYY before I had any understanding of my own mental health, my own possible struggles with anxiety, negativity etc, my own upbringing or negative wiring – no clue)
So with that said- I found myself getting into this weird moods. I would become angry and nasty to that boyfriend, let’s call him N. It would be that if N would do something sweet, I would get annoyed. But then have guilt about why I acted that way. I would find myself comparing N to others (who were often terrible people), and nitpicking small things. “oh look they do that, we never do.” And then perhaps when we did do that thing, I would find something else wrong. Now at this time, in other parts of my life I was perfectly happy – NOT anxious at all. I recall this being a time when I truly had no mental struggles at all, more on that later. So in short – I had a great guy – and I started questioning and picking and making things negative. You may say well perhaps I wasn’t happy and so it was manifesting this way, perhaps there were issues and I can’t blame myself. Nope, there were none – when I say it was 100% me it truly was, believe me.
Of course as wonderful as this person was, he started to become quite hurt.. We would talk about it, he would continue to try and try to appease me and my “discontent” whatever it was. Despite this, we truly never had any “issues” it is hard to explain – it was just me complaining and finding problems. So I started medical school in Philadelphia that August before my 21st birthday. He was away on a trip with his friends during the time I started. After a week or so he returned, and visited me. He was SO beyond excited to visit, and was also really happy to celebrate my first week of being a medical student. I will never forget it. So, Anita, he arrives, he is super happy and excited, and I am cold. I am just flat cold – almost like I am possessed by a heartless demon for an evening. We went to eat dinner, where I continued to act cold and disinterested, and came back to my apartment. I remember the next moment vividly. I was sitting on my bed, and he is packing up his bag slowly. I say to him, where are you going? He says well it doesn’t seem like you want me here.. I remember feeling confused by this (despite the fact that I acted cold all evening, I didn’t really feel that way – it was odd). He gets his thing and says something along the lines of, for so long I tried, but I can’t always have enough love for the both of us. (as in i have so much love for you, but I do need some in return). He walks to the elevator and stands outside of it, and I see he is waiting, stalling. He is waiting for me to say something, to stop him, to run after him, something. I do nothing. I feel paralyzed.. The elevator closes and he is gone.
For a moment there I do nothing, then I frantically pick up the phone and start calling him. I say come back etc. He states, you didn’t even stop me, you just let me leave…his heart was broken. it was the last straw.
see, this wasn’t just a dramatic walk away – it was a long time coming, he had tried and tried and tried, and I had continued to push him away. towards the end I became even more cold and cruel – so he finally did what anyone would do – walk away.
Yet when the the true gravity of what happened at that moment hit me, I was devastated – it changed me, and I was never the same. Yes a dramatic statement, but I truly was never ever the same.
See what happens after is the beginning of my story with mental health struggles. From that moment forward, from the inside, my own mental state suffered. I entered the w
So, after August, I was devastated, I tried desperately to get him back, but the damage had been done I had truly “broken” this indvidual — (more on that after). I had issues with anxiety for the first time in my life, I couldn’t sleep, my eating patterns were dysregulated from binge eating to opposite to severe guilty about it.. My entire world revolved around remorse: “I had this wonderful guy, how did I let him go.” I missed him beyond measure – it was like someone had died. I went through this grief Anita not for months but for YEARS.
When I say I was never the same after that moment, I mean it. That marked the beginning of my mental health struggles. Now, knowing what I know now perhaps I was meant to “begin” my battle with anxiety/depression at some point anyway given my mother and upbringing. Mental health is tough to figure out for people, doctors, gurus, anyone. There are no answers. But I will say that since that moment I have struggled. I still struggle to this day – sure in somewhat other ways – but all in the same.
So for years and years I felt this way. It took over my entire being, guilt, anger, remorse, resentment. Sadness – depression. This wallowing of I had something so great, now look at me, look at this life I am miserable. Now sure on the outside I was progressing, through medical school, residency, all milestones. But inside I was a mess. If I look back at medical school, my entire memory is myself struggling. No, not with the material or the work. Not at all – that was an aside. It was personal, every single moment of every single day I felt uneasy. I felt terrible, I felt sad that I now brought myself to this misery for “look how happy I was before” why did I have to go and not appreciate it.. I recall at my medical school graduation day feeling no different. Feeling that, sure that’s great we achieve these things – but I feel terrible inside, so what does it all matter. But – if you looked at me then during all those years, I was exuberant, popular, social – having the time of my life – but inside always struggling.
So now it has been years after the “incident” I have dated around, always comparing, always feeling that my chance was gone. for “who meets a wonderful guy twice.” The universe granted me something amazing, and I screwed up, so now what – I have to sleep in the bed that I made. We are now in my mid 20s. I am living in NYC with a roommate, I am in a residency program which is extremely grueling (overnight call every 3rd night – big city hospitals etc). The work itself once again is not the issue.
So going to something I have talked to you about before many times- I was outward. When i say outward, extremely outward. I started this pattern in medical school not long after the break up and my inability to cope with it. I was out, I talked to friends all day every day, I hung out with friends all day everyday. I was known to be someone who “could do it all.” Wow – she can be such a socialite and do well in school. Not that this was the title I was going for, but I just was this way. I am baseline friendly and an extrovert, sure – but this was to a different level. I hardly did ever just “sit with myself” because all i would feel was uneasiness, it wasn’t even sadness and misery after a while – it had turned into a “why be alone if you can be with friends.”
So in NYC, this sort of mentality can skyrocket. NYC is a city where everyone is living like they are on steroids – so if a person is seeking outward, there they shall find it. In many ways this was fun, I was able to do so much while still training – which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, in many ways this was toxic. So now I am at a place where a few years have passed since the break up. I still suffer in the same way, although by all outward means I have moved on, I have dated around some, etc – I was truly as stuck inside as the day it happened. Moreover, the mental health struggles continued and if not worsened given that my lifestyle became even more severe, less sleep, more stress and responsibility, and feeling angry that even after all these years I still felt “terrible” – will I ever feel “normal again.” Nope, it seems this is the way it is..
In the Indian culture, there is extreme emphasis on finding a good guy and getting married. Sure in many cultures. But in Indian culture it is very much about finding someone “that fits the bill.” So in my case, if you want to look at it from the external:here she is a young, pretty doctor, with a great personality – she deserves a similar guy, someone at the same level
So, dating wasn’t just –oh who do I connect with – it was, who has the right characteristics, and someone I also connect with. In certain ways that is fine. However, I began to become obsessed with it. It started off with the feeling of, well surely there has to be someone else good out there too – I couldn’t have just lost my chance at someone great already – sure I let that go – but am I doomed forever. So in a way I was trying to prove myself wrong, by finding this “person.” I wanted to prove to myself, see you can be happy again.
Of course after a gamut of dating experiences that didn’t pan out for one reason or another I became even more anxious and obsessed. Now sure, any girl in their mid 20s, and especially Indian, is going to focus on this sort of thing. Sure, they may even feel their happiness or worth depends on it – (which they will hopefully soon realize it does not). This is not unccommon. However, I started feeling it was my identity. It also continued to stem back to that self hatred of “ruining” such a good relationship, and being doomed now. I started getting anxious that now I would have to “settle.” you meet someone great once, and it’s gone so then you just end up with someone “decent.” How unlucky of me, look at all these people that are so happy now – god why couldn’t I have been smarter. Why did I have to screw up so bad. I had this amazing thing that people dream of, an look at me now…
So I meet my now husband in November 2014. We are on a date shortly after Thanksgiving. I was not in a great mental state at the time we started talking. I was burnt out with residency, burnt out from obsessively dating and thinking about it, and just pessimistic all around. We met, and it was not love at first sight. I found myself thinking that he was nice, and fun to talk to – but I have fun talking to everyone… We had talked for a month prior to meeting. Which is unusual in NYC where it is a go go dime a dozen place. Often people don’t take the time to develop a connection or a friendship prior. It can be like a conveyor belt of dating, of next next next. So anyway, the fact that we found ourselves talking so much was unique, and special. After the first date we continued to talk on almost that level.
I can’t recall exactly what was going though my mind during this time. However, I do remember I was having trouble recognizing what was authentic. See, I had become obsessed with the whole thing, finding someone who is right, proving to myself I don’t have to be miserable and have to settle now – since i screwed up my one chance, —that looking back, I probably didn’t even know what I was feeling. It was the most opposite of letting myself see how I feel and go with the flow – as one could get. Regardless though somehow we remained in touch and met once or twice more. In January a few months later. I was on a trip to Thailand with my mom and sister (once again before her and I know what we know about my mother, before the awareness and understanding). During this trip, I continued to keep in touch with him. First it was a fun distraction. My sister found it fun too, girl talk – we would think about what pictures to send him, etc. About a week or so after, I found myself thinking about how thoughtful he was. We were all the way on the other side of the world, and he was interviewing all over the country for fellowship. In between flights and all, he would want to check in, would send tid bits of things to do in thailand that he had researched – overall in short, he had such an innocent, authentic way of showing interest and care that is was very refreshing.
Now one part of this was, I was not sure that I was physically attracted to him. By all means he is not an unattractive person, but one thing continued to stand out in my mind – he was short. I am a petite woman myself, so by all means he is taller and bigger than me, but he was shorter than the average guy, and also shorter than anyone I dated. I found myself thinking about this a lot – first of all was I attracted to him. Second, what would it look like – is it weird to date a short guy? Did I ever picture myself with someone short – many thoughts. Once again, I know some of which would cross anyone’s mind – but it became something really central in my brain. Quite superficial – yes indeed. How ironic, I had “searched near and far” for someone kind and amazing again, and this person in front of me was showing me qualities I had not encountered in ages – but my roadblock was something superficial.
So when I returned from Thailand, for the first time in a long time I let myself ” go with the flow.” He was looking forward to my return and had planned some fun activities. We had a genuine good time, and one thing led to another – we began a relationship. During this time I can say I was not “in my head.” I was enjoying myself, and we were enjoying each other. It was not contrived, it was not forced. Sure a part of it had started with, well he is a nice guy and he has is extraordinarily thoughtful I should give it a try. I did tell myself I should give it a try. But what happened thereafter was natural, it was not forced or based on “shoulds.” I mention this because of what is to follow.
So fastforward, everything is going well, and a few months in, I would have random spurts of being mean and cruel. Not unlike what I explained in my first relationship. Such as creating negative out of a situation which has no issues. Nitpicking when there was nothing there. Making someone wonderful feel like utter crap. Now this was no daily or regular, but when it did happen it was by no means okay (looking back I see how pathologic). One example that stands out in my mind is that we were at a wedding. I had some old friends there and so did he as we knew many people in the same circle. One thing about is me is that I LOVE to dance, it is something that has been apart of my whole life. Knowing this about me, he was excited for us to get on the dance floor -we hadn’t had a chance in a long time. Well when this moment arises, I feel irritable, upset and angry. I find myself looking at other couples – one couple in particular I recall there is a guy who is the life of the party type, dancing and laughing and having a merry time – leading his girlfriend into all these dance moves. I am suddenly overwhelmed by this, feeling like “why can’t I have that.” gosh this guy here with me, he’s just there – he follows…look at this other guy, how fun and exuberat – that is so much more me! Then I start having these thoughts (which are awful) i look at him and think, wow, perhaps he is too short. See here at this wedding, do we even look right. No other couple seems to be this way – gosh what are the other people saying about us, saying – look she’s with this short guy.”
Needless to say, this energy was absorbed, and it was a bad night. Later that weekend, I could tell his ego and self esteem had been shot. He wanted me to be honest with him, and I was – I told him exactly what I was thinking (above). How harsh, judgemental, cruel, superficial, etc. But I said it all. In a weird way, I didn’t even feel much remorse saying it.
It was as though I felt entitled to having these sort of breakdowns. I felt that, well I had that moment and felt like that. But did I truly feel like that? The answer was I didn’t know. In that moment I surely did. But being with this person out of that setting, he was so great and wonderful – what about that…
So I let it pass. looking back now, easy for me to say ” oh I just had a moment.” But being on the other side. Having this good relationship with someone where all of a sudden they just act like you’re beneath them, and they are unattracted to you, and you are unworthy — but then acting like everything is fine again.
This sort of thing happened many times in Anita. If it wasn’t the dance floor, it was elsewhere. I remember him coming back from a trip once (how interesting- just like my first boyfriend) – and being excited to see me, all the normal stuff. I remember acting cold and aloof then, and later then writing him this whole letter. I had written this whole letter Anita about all the things i missseed about my first relationship that I no longer had. I mean Imagine. Once again of course heart broken.
so one may say, what made this person stay with me. The things I was doing were nightmare-ish. Well I think first of all, he is a truly truly truly genuine amazing soul. The kind of person they say “they don’t make them like they used to.” The kind of person who sees good in people, who gives people chances and the benefit of the doubt, who when even when he is hurt, wants to help and not withdraw. Which brings me to my next point. So often when I was cruel, i would then go into a rant about how I have never been the same after that break up and I suffer from all sorts of negativity and I neverr feel okay. So instead of withdrawing and being angry and hurt by all of my ups and down and cruel actions, hee would want to help. He would listen and listeen and listen, he offered to do whatever he could to make me happy no matter to what extent.
The point is, I was in many ways: unsufferable.
So, you may think – what is the role of my parents? Well when they first met him, they were ecstatic. I nice Indian boy, a doctor, from a great family – we are beyond joyous. They quickly became excited, we spent time with them. Our parents met, which also worked out great – and our families spent at least two holidays together, xmas or thanksgiving.. I want to put this out there and not focus on it too much. I will say that my parents at THIS stage in the game were very enthusiastic.
So back to me, this continued. Looking back now – it was taking a toll on his self esteem. In short I was slowly chipping away at this kind human. His immense generosity and patience were often taken for granted by me. In fact, I can say they always were.. See here I was so caught up in my own self, my own ups and downs, I hardly paid any attention to the effect I was having on him. With the wedding example, it was about me: I had the the breakdown, I suffered from these thoughts and feelings, I didn’t know what to do. See how none of this was a reflection of the illl effects it had on him. Nope, none at all – just me.
To me looking back this reads as a story in which this girl is quite narcissistic and self centered, and has this guy who is devoted and dedicated beyond measure.
There are so many more details I am sure you can imagine, but in short that statement sums it up.
Now the next part of the story does involve my parents, so much of which you already know – and so I will make it as short as I can. I want to pay a lot of attention to the fact that as above, the situation is already a certain way:
I am guilty for abusing and tormenting this individual, and not appreciating him – PRIOR to what is next.
He already baseline is broken down to a point by me.
So then my parents begin their insanity, they go crazy after him to propose during the timeline they want. Calling him everyday, calling his parents.
During this time, I take their side. I say to him, “all indian parents’ have an idea of how they want things. Perhaps you arre not “cultured enough” to get that. Consistently putting him down, and taking their side. Even when my parents would call his parents and leave threatening messages such as “we know how terriblee you are, if you don’t get your son on track we will make sure everyone knows.” – — i would say, well perhaps my parents are right, your parents don’t seem to have respect.
This was to the point that I was convinced that the ENTIRE reason my parents were unhappy in the situation was because of him and his parents. Nope, this was not because they were crazy or terrible, it was because of the situation. So – the proposal happens it is beautiful and amazing, we are in San Diego on these cliffs, a whirlwhind weekend full of surprises. Anita, out of a fairytale. Despite all of the negativity, badgering, presssure etc – he STILL managed to make it as incredible and special as ever.
I can’t say I truly enjoyed it. I didn’t NOT enjoy it. It was as though I wasn’t there. This was during the time I started really feeling the effects of my parents, perhaps shortly therafter I started writing to you. I was suffering with severe headaches, insonnia, etc. I took this all as “family stress” but it was the beginning of the toxic patterns that you know so well.
So during this proposal I was not all there, it was as though I was disconnected. Not in the “oh my gosh it was so perfect I was floating on a cloud” sort of way. No, in more of a zombie kind of way.
Once we reeturned from San Diego is when the real parental saga began, I have wrote to you about this. Just 2 days after we returned my mother called me in tears complaining and screaming about how his mother wants an engagment party a certain way – etc etc. The rest is history. My sister has written about it too – having to call the police – the whole thing – no need to get int oall that . So we go from there to the wedding, to now. Wow – a lot right.
So what is my point then? So here we are now. My husband had already suffered abuse from me prior to my parents wrath (although my parents have always subconciously affected us of course) but prior to their major melt down. Then from the moment prior to the proposal until This past Feb 2018 they have infilltrated every single moment and created immense torture. For the majority of this time I sided with them, I was brainwashed. I put him down, I put his family down, I continued to make him feel not good enough, not worthy. I so focused on my own internal demons at this point that I paid no attention to what he was going through.
So in present day, my husband is broken. He was a sweet, innocent, enthusiastic person who was crushed by me. He says it too. I took that away from him. And then even further, my parents – it was kicking the dog that is already down. So I am not here to say: oh we have marital issues. No it is so much further and deeper than that. It is that he as a result of all this broken. You know how I said prior to that first breakup, I had never in my life experienced mental health issues. Well it is similar to him, prior to my treatment of him this way, he never ever experienced such despair.
As a result his spirit has been shattered, he has nothing left in his tank. Given that he is such a special and wonderful person he still tries, and he still has the energy to be as great as he can be – others would have truly suffered a mental breakdown, gone down the deep end, or ran away – or something. But no.
Nowadays, I have clarity, I see that my parents brainwashed me, I see that I kicked a dog that was already down. Why was he down? Because of my poor treatment. why did i treat him poorlly? I had hate in my heart. I had no self love, and so I had no real love for others – I only spewed hate and negativity..or something like that…
He had always forgiven me, and he always felt that he saw good in me despite all that, so that is what gave him faith. But now after that has happened – no one has anything left. As you can imagine. Recently He has said many times, that he does not see true remorse from my end. Or if not remorse, he feels that if he did to me, what I did to him, he would feel so sad.
He is right, but hearing that makes sense, but I don’t reallly feel it. It is still as though I am numb when it comes to that. Almost dumbfounded. It is just words. It does ignite some sadness in me once in a while, but overall it feels like nothing. I wonder what you have to say about this..
In many ways I feel that I have started my “path” a few months ago, and it is solo. It is as though my whole focus is just to nourish and protect me, so once again I pay no attention to effects on him. On the other hand, Anita, I would not be here if it wasn’t for him. He has stood by me and supported me every step of the way. I truly believe if it wasn’t for him, I would not even be at the place where I am to shut the door on my parents – something in me knows that meeting him allowed me to get to where I am.
However, words can not describe the abuse and trauma he had to suffer along the way. My stories here are only brushing the surface. I am not writing here to gain sympathy. I am not writing here to be told, oh don’t worry you were warranted, or it is your parents fault you were cruel. No. I want to be honest and raw and say I was unappreciative, cruel and terrible to him. Is that who I am as a person, NO. But, this is the way I acted towards him time and time again over many years. I have had to endure such abuse (I know now) from my mother my whole life, and then he from me. I sometimes have these moments where I fear that one day it will be too late, I have this visual that I am on the phone with someone who is causing me a lot of stress that is inconsequential, and I am caught up inn it. At the same time I hear my husband has gotten into an accident, I see myself with an unbearable amount of pain and saying to myself, wow, I was so caught up in all this, I never appreciated this amazing soul – and now it is too late…
(reminiscent of the feelings from that first break up…in many ways)
- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It is always a pleasure to read about your journey on the path. I read your above post many times. You always seem to have a knack of “bringing out” what I am searching for in my thoughts and writing.
What you wrote is the exact thing that made me start this thread and title it Self Trust months ago. I titled it Self Trust because that is what I was lacking. I didn’t even know what it was this concept of self trust, but I innately knew it was lacking.
You defined what it is for me. You also showed me that this self trust is something I have started to develop on my short path as well. I am beginning to see the early glimpses of it. Oh it feels good! Foreign at times but good – for it is something I trust. I know now more than ever- what greater trust than Self trust.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Our posts from this weekend thus far, have had my mind buzzing with all sorts of thoughts and energy. As you so amazingly pointed out, self trust – full circle – or something close.
When I first wrote to you with this title of: “self trust” – I am unsure of why I wrote that. I can go back and read that first post in this thread, but I choose not to at this time – I want to reflect.
So much of the content of my posts is about others. Others including my mother, sister, and friends. Well, of course, none of us live in a bubble, and our interactions with others are often the most amazing or difficult aspects of our life. Moreover, others are the ones that may impact us the most, and also shape the identity we feel we have. It is others that can “make or break” our day we feel often. Some of this is true – to a point.
So when I chose the title “self trust” I was seeking a general sense of “focusing inward, not outward.”
Little did I know what that truly entails. It involves (in my case) practically an entire transformation. Perhaps not visible from the outside, but surely on the inside.
See, here I was doing the same things over and over, and beating myself up for not having different results. (take the mother part out because that is so apparent and obvious now- my focus here is on the not so seemingly negative or dangerous
See, here I was, addicted to socializing, addicted to helping, addicted to communicating – but expecting myself to also do an amazing job at looking inward. Even typing this out makes it sound exhausting! Constantly being on the marathon and wondering why you didn’t advance in your meditation practice. Driving for hours on end, and wondering why you don’t feel rested.
It seems so obvious and common sense, but it’s not. Not when you’re wired the way I am.
So here I am now in the month of May, almost June. I had a huge life changing revelation an decision in mid February. Thereafter, for a few months, I lived in a very different way than I ever had in my life. Very different than those around me, especially in this hyper-connected and stimulated society. And it was good – in fact it was great. It was empowering, and restorative, and most importantly it was comforting.
As referenced this weekend, slowly as time passed, I naturally drifted back into some old tendencies. Sure outward individuals sought me out, life continued, stress heightened – but it was me who drifted back. As you wrote, this is human – and something I should be gentle with myself about. Well I am now, thanks to you! And it has led to tremendous reflection – written here.
So drifting back, why so bad? And why was I so hard on myself? Well because it is going back to the same thing as above, the same thing that inspired me to even start this thread called Self Trust. It went back to the struggle of being on the overstimulated wagon, but internally wanting to jump off without knowing how. It went back to the innate feeling of being a “super-friend” but not feeling so super about it at all. And this time, unlike last, it went to having a great degree of self anger and frustration at FINALLY knowing what it feels like to be at ease and comfort and sitting with myself, and yet feeling the opposite THE moment I slid back. A “I should know better” feeling. Well I do know better.
Well first of all, I am proud that I have the magnetic pull to get back on track – something that is truly special.
Second I forgive myself. I am not an entirely changed person. When speaking to some friends again, I do recall almost getting that “high” of intense conversation. This is not wrong. However, I also recall feeling that I could not disconnect with what was going on in their lives. For example a friend opened up to me this month about her marital issues, I felt consumed by them. To an extraordinary degree. Compassion, yes – but an unhealthy level of being consumed by the problems of others – not good.
So this brings me back to the point I was looking to make. I can not beat myself up for running a marathon all day, and then be angry I have a stress fracture. I can not be on the road driving all day in terrible traffic, and wonder why I don’t feel so centered.
Look at what you are doing day in and day out, and ask yourself, is the way you feel a result of that?
Yes, of course! Maybe one day or two days don’t accumulate so much, but surely after a week or month of a certain behavior it will catch up to us! In my case here I was, having done a great job of disconnecting from many individuals and issues, into a place of safety. Then bam – back into it head on – well of course this will cause distress.
So does this mean I “can’t do it all?” I can’t find solace and peace and inward focus, while simultaneously extending myself?
No, probably not. And you know what – that is incredible to finally realize. The answer is No.
This does not mean I am a hermit withdrawn from society. This does not mean I must live in a monastery. This does not mean I can have no friends. No it does not.
If I want to be “inward” I have to do just that. This does not make me weak or a “bad multi-tasker” or a person who isn’t good at “handling” things. This is only self judgement. As my statement above states, it is IMPOSSIBLE to do all that and have a great sense of peace and self. Once healthy boundaries are in place, a person can step out of their safety zone, knowing they will quickly be able to come back. This is similar to what you say about the healing path, and how it is the only way.
To know that I am not weak or wrong for not extending myself outwards to the extents I always have – means that I have self trust. I have the trust in myself to know my limits and boundaries. I have the faith in myself to know when my body and mind are slipping “back” or off track. I have faith that any decision to choose inward peace over outward is the right one.
This is because it is tried and true. I have trust that if judgement arises, it is only from within me. This judgement is more of a function of the old belief and expectations I have of myself, than reality. I have the trust in my path that it will summon me back if needed. It has already.
So the answer is: I can not be focused inward, if I am focused outward. So Inward I shall go.
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Cali ChicaParticipantWow. Just wow!
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for sharing that with me. Not only is that refreshing for me to hear, and makes me glad that you are at that point. It also makes sense of what I have been feeling over the last few days, that magnetic pull to get back on track. It is something that I trust.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I feel the same about you.
This morning I woke up and I was reading something, and this quote came up
“what you seek is seeking you“
This one, in fact I connected with. Yesterday, I can relate to this- actually this whole past month. I had a minor setback because of a mistake, and I found that I was a little bit off track. I found that I was going on this nice path, and I had a little stumble. I also felt that there was a sort of magnetic pull to get back on track. This relates to the quote above: what I seek is seeking me. Not only was I seeking to get back on track, the healing journey -was also seeking me. It was telling me in subliminal Ways, we were seeking each other. These Ways it was telling me: can be in the way we manifest our unease and discomfort. It was for me. Over the last month I found myself having certain tendencies that I did months ago before I was on this healing journey, so to speak. I was feeling more anxious throughout the day, I wasn’t making as much time to go to the gym. I was finding that talking things out and explaining things to people was a better use of time then looking inward. I wasn’t “sitting with myself as much, I was looking more outward again. These are all things that were quite common within me prior to the last few months. I am not judging these things, but I will say that they were not serving me as well as what my progress in the last few months has. In fact I can say that those tendencies were and are a hindrance to my healing path. Thus, the discomfort and Unease I felt over the last month showed me that my healing journey was looking to me and seeking me-saying come back. It was saying look this doesn’t feel great, come back to me, come back on the path that’s right. This to me means that we are never truly lost, WHEN we have a strong sense of a personal growth journey within ourselves—we will never stumble too far, we will seek our chosen path again it due time, and it too will seek us.
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Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you, yes I am doing just that. It hasn’t even been a full day yet but I already notice a shift back to two months ago. It made me realize something: that we are never too far from our security blanket that we are seeking. We may shy away, but it is never too difficult to come back to our comfort zone in which we feel safe and secure. this doesn’t mean that a safety zone is without adventure a possibility, but it is the zone in which we feel like we can be our best self. If I know that there is a place where I can be my best self, why not pursue it? Why not live in it, why not breathe in it. Why not. it has taken a lot of trial and error and experience to come to such realizations. As time goes on what works and doesn’t work may also change. There is fluidity in our comfort zones. I am grateful to know what serves me and what does not. I hope you are having a great Friday. I have had a quite restorative one so far.
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Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I am going to do a scan of myself today. The difference and what I feel right now, versus when I was interacting with less people. Of course a baseline level of anxiety exist with in me given that we are undergoing decisions about our careers and location. This is an aside, I have always dealt better with these sort of major life stressors more than personal relationship type things. One thing I do notice like I said in my first post is that given that I have opened up interaction to more than a few people, I am feeling less and less safe in a way. I don’t think the right word is safe, maybe it is exposed, I am feeling more exposed. Hmm – no that may not be the right word either, because I am not embarrassed it’s not that I am even talking about very private things with these people, I think it is more like this, I don’t feel as grounded, I do not feel as whole and full, I feel like little parts of me Are given away and so I have a deficit. Such as a deficit of sleep and the need to restore. This is it – I need to step back and restore. It’s great to make progress it’s great to get back into normal life, but it doesn’t have to be to an extreme, it doesn’t have to be to a way that feels similar to that before life. Deliberate practice allows us to pick and choose what serves us, my practice today of speaking with you and scanning my life right now allows me to realize that I need some more restoration. Less interaction more restoration.
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Cali ChicaParticipantThank you yes! A mistake is right. And given that I was able to do that with my parents I was extra hard on myself about making this mistake with someone far less important. As though if I am so far progressed in that manner, why would I be foolish to let this person in. Anyway it was insanely apparent yesterday this person has zero place in my life. Not for making plans – no – not for any interaction. I found the whole thing MUCH more exhausting than “usual”. I see this is because I am still In the Acute healing phase. Every bit of energy I give away takes away from my me.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I thought of you over and over yesterday. I had one of my first set backs last night. No it did not have to do with my parents. It had to do with a friend. I remember a few months ago when all this was new we had many great conversations about how it will be important for me to preserve my cocoon so to speak. It will be important for me to make space for healing and not expose myself to too many different individuals. You would also mention that when I do begin to talk to friends, at first it may be very difficult or quite trying. Very true and I had done a good job prior maintaining that space. Well now that a few months have passed, there have been a good number of friends that have found their way back into my life. Of course as my choice. I still do not talk to certain individuals not on purpose but becauseThe situation has not arisen. Others I’m OK never speaking to again.There’s one friend in particular, That was quite close to me throughout my life, since college. She’s the kind of person that I would say has always been a good friend, but I never truly liked her entire character. In short, she is an extremely flaky and unreliable person. When she is with you it is amazing it is 1 million bucks, you have a great time she’s all there. However she is not the kind of person that you know will definitely not flake on you. This sounds kind of silly given that we are in our 30s. But of course the sort of people exist always. Our last interaction before now was her being a huge part of our wedding, being quite supportive and doing it good amount to plan. But of course this was in between her being unreliable and doing what was only convenient for her own self, her selfish ways. Anyway overall she is a good friend in front of you but a flakey person overall. So she reached out to me via email about four weeks ago. She was saying how she misses me, she hopes I’m OK, and is worried that she hadn’t heard from me in a few months which is unlike me. I immediately Without thought texted her and had a conversation—it did feel good at first to speak to an old friend that I’ve known for so long, we instantly got back into Sync. She then mentioned how we need to hang out. I had stated to her that I was off today, this Friday because of the holiday weekend, and I was looking forward to coming into New York City as I had not gone there in a while. She mentioned that she was off too (lives in nyc) and that I should come over. Great. However that same creepy feeling sink in, the feeling of, I don’t actually think this is going to happen because she’s going to flake. But I didn’t really think much of it Bc it wasn’t a major plan and we have been busy with relocation talks. So then two weeks pass and it’s yesterday, I Text her in the morning and we are chatting and I get this weird strange gut feeling, that she is not all there and she is being distant. I am not offended I just see it’s an old pattern. She gets like this when she wants to flake. So of course knowing what I know I start already in assuming that she is going to cancel last minute. And of course yesterday at 9 PM I get a message from her that she has to go into work emergently and that she would love to reschedule, she feel so bad at Cetera. Yes of course this could be possible, but it is highly unlikely with her line of work. Moreover, I have an incredible sense of gut feeling and intuition. So pretty much – I was right she is who she is – as always
So here is the point of my post, it’s not that I am so sad that I won’t spend time with her. I feel like this Anita, I was strong enough to cut out my own parents that gave birth to me in February. That takes a man strength and courage that is unknown to most individuals. At that same time I did shelter myself from a lot of negativity and created a nice warm cozy cocoon of healing. Now that it is a few months forward I understand that people will seep into my life. However I feel annoyance and anger at myself for allowing this flaky person a second chance in my life, I had a sense of relief when I did not talk to her anymore because I did not have to be subject to such treatment. Yet, in my stronger and wiser ways now, why would I allow her a second chance? When she emailed me I could have been generic with her, I could have said oh hello yes everything is great we will speak soon. Why did I have to jump into the old pattern? Of course I know I cannot be hard on myself about this, I was truly being my own self, I am an honest and open person and so when she reached out to me I acted as I always do. Authentic. However I will say that I felt a great deal of annoyance and anger last night. And like I said it has a lot to do with the fact that I opened up myself to something that was entirely unnecessary, I have such low tolerance for toxicity, negativity and flaking and knowing that this individual is not a great addition into my life I do feel that it was a miss on my end to even allow her a chance. Even though I can reason all of this, I will say it gave me quite a big setback. It is far bigger than the actual situation at hand in that I won’t be hanging out with a friend. It is not really about that it is reaching far beyond that, I feel that this is also a sign that I do have to backtrack and protect myself a little bit more, just because individuals want to interact with me doesn’t mean that I have to jump to it. Just like a few months ago —I do have to deliberately maintain that safe space for me because I am already starting to feel Strung out and this has been the first incident in which Communicating less with a certain friend would be the best choice. I would love to know your thoughts on above. I will end it with this, I feel like I was an orange, I’m nice plump and juicy orange I had all my slices with me. Then of course I gave one away, to my husband, to my sister, to my best friend. Great I have a warm and cozy Coccoon within me as an orange and I have given a few important slices away. Now we fast forward to May, I now have given away half of the slices, due to the number of individuals and I’ll communicate with again. It is hard to feel nice and soft and cozy in that cocoon because so many of my slices are gone. I want to maintain that Cocoon so to speak. I will get some of those slices back, giving them away is not worth it, it is at what cost, my sense of peace and safety.
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- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantGood morning,
To answer your question: yes. I have great support to continue my journey. And yes, in order to continue this journey- it is important to make space for it. To create an environment for it. To facilitate it to the best of my ability.
I think in many ways it’s never felt like that was something that was a priority. It was more that it was something that was “just dealt” with. This was during a time in which I did not value peace. I valued being a good daughter. Thinking those could be hand in hand. Which they can not. Nope not in this situation. Anyway, no matter what the location or the job – to place value on keeping some space for such is quite important.
I am glad to share this time with you.
I will add more about this soon
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I think about what we have spoken about everyday. It has been over 2 weeks since I last wrote to you. The hiatus of writing in between is not because I did not think to write, it was that often I did not know where to begin.
I have felt a paralyzing anxiety many times over the last month. This does not have to do with my parents (well everything is related to them – so that is not true). What I mean to say is this anxiety has been related to our major life decision of: should we move or stay here.
As you know, over the last few months, my husband and I have given a lot of thought to relocating. This has been for a variety of reasons including, a different type of life, climate, new job opportunities, etc. Given that we are both physicians, the career aspect is key. At the beginning of this month, we were dead set on relocating to California. (we live on the east coast). This is a location I have wanted to move my entire life. Weather is a huge thing for me, as I love to spend time outdoors, and I am sensitive to the mood changes that come with cold long winters. I have some great friends out there, and overall, I have always felt I “belonged there.”
I was able to find a career opportunity for myself out there which is pretty good: stable, good long term potential to grow, and decent salary. Southern California is a very desirable place for relocation, so the job market is worse than perhaps anywhere in the country for doctors. On the flip side, my husband, who is a surgeon, did not find an employment position – but instead another surgeon he would collaborate with. What this would mean is that he would be going out there and starting his own private practice. In theory this could be great, but like any other business, you start from nothing and build your way up. It takes time to get known in the community, and build a reputation. It requires the sacrifice of time and money of course.This is not wrong, but of course quite scary.
So in contrast here, where we live now. I have a job that is fine. My husband has been working with 2 other surgeons, who have recently asked him to become a partner in their group. This means that he would be able to continue to work here with them in an established practice. In contrast to California, he has a career here – he does not have to build one.
Now if I were you, and reading this. I would think – well pick whats best for you overall. All factors come in to play, the state, the environment, the jobs, the people, etc, etc. Yes – this is true.
However, over the last week one thing has been hitting both my husband and I the most: we want to start living.
After training for over 12 years, after all the stress of the wedding, after all the horrendous stress of my parents, after the horrific recent months with their constant intrusion into our marriage – we want to breathe, and live, and focus on US.
In this case all fingers point to: then stop seeking the hustle – appreciate what you have and begin to live. No need to run to California and start all over. Here you have something great in front of you.
Interestingly all week we have been feeling as though we were not able to appreciate what we have in front of us here. How could we? We moved here 2 years ago, at the peak of my parent’s insanity. Every moment of last summer was full of issues (as you know). We could be in Bali, or the slums, or in Malibu – it wouldn’t matter. Our quality of life was crap because my parents terrorized every moment of it. Therefore, we didn’t know if we were unhappy -period, or unhappy here. I see now that we aren’t unhappy here. In fact we live in a great community, and there truly isn’t anything “wrong.” Now that we have a chance to live here in a more normal way, we appreciate it.. We were at the park the other day and felt, this is great! Here we can move forward. buy a house, think about the next steps in life. In many ways relocating, may halt some of that as you are starting fresh (especially given that he will have to put a huge investment into starting a practice out there)
Moreover, my husband’s parents live locally. We have been spending more time with them, and I have truly grown to appreciate it. I notice that over the last 2 years I didn’t pay much attention to that. I was so brainwashed and consumed by my parents, I didn’t even think much about my in laws. Now that I am able to enjoy time with them without the poison of my parents. (without my mother calling the day after and saying things like oh you went there, yes theyre going to try to be fake to you to win you over…or god knows what) -I notice our time with them is just simple good quality time. It is quite refreshing to have that with family.
Lastly, we do want a family one day. And that one day will be sooner than later I am sure. I have started thinking about how it would be nice to have his parents nearby during that time. NOT because I am sad my parents aren’t in the picture. No. But simply because his parents are good people, and it would be great if they had a bigger role in our future children’s life.
I am glad to share all of the above with you. It is different than many of our conversations before. I like that I can explain this important time to you.
I know we will figure it out. We will be making the decision over the next 2 weeks. I haven’t ruled out California from my mind, as I know the right decision will come to us. Yet, I know given all the above we are leaning a certain way…
it feels to me that I read it as: you don’t always have to seek – sometimes you can stay…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
thank you for wording this so clearly. “lose the nostalgia.”
I am beginning to see this. It is not that I look back at an old moment and feel angry, or feel that “wow that was all a lie!” It is more that I see the whole scenario.
With my feeling in the car, I saw myself a an adolescent having an enjoyable summer. I also saw that during this time my parents weren’t “attacking” me in the same way as there was nothing I was doing to threaten them. I was a young girl living in their home.
I was not threatening their idea of self worth by meeting a man who has a much better set of parents. I wasn’t “leaving” home by getting married and “abandoning them.” IN that moment that summer they were the same as they are now, flawed and terrible. YET it just had not manifested in the way it did years later, at present. The truth is all there – it is just a matter of what we see at the time.
Cali ChicaParticipantGood morning Anita,
Food for thought today. I have been quite introspective since early this morning. Perhaps that is the benefit of a good night of sleep finally.
I had a long drive to work today; while I was driving I heard an old song that brought up fond memories. I found myself thinking back to that time when I was an adolescent, and many positive memories enveloped me. I thought to myself, if I focused on only this – it would be difficult to understand the issues I am dealing with at present. It occurred to me the following: many people must have difficulty grasping the present, when they positive memories of the past. It made me ask something out loud:
If in reality there were positive events and associations in the past, were they false – given what is happening now?
The important statement is the following: the past positive is not false, but more importantly, the present negativity is true. Simply put, the fact that things are “bad” now does not negate the “good” in the past – moreover, the focus is that the current is “bad” period. And that is enough.
The present is key. The past does not justify the present, the future does not justify the present. The present is just that, it is now.
A classic more tangible example is a woman going through a divorce. She may look back at their time during dating and recall fond memories. They were by all means true. She looks now at her husband’s infidelity and is astonished it could be the same person. Was the past all fake? Perhaps not. Perhaps he changed. However, if she goes by above she will not beat herself up over finding this answer about whether the past is real or not. Often we are so caught up in this question that we spend all of our energy THERE and not HERE.
The past was real, and her memories are true. This does not negate the present state of distress and discomfort due to this individual’s actions. They are both real, they are both true. Life is now, and based on now, she must limit her distress, and free herself from the inciting agent.
WE are not responsible for deciphering the past and whether all accounts are reality. As you said to me over a year ago, this is more the job of a jury in the court of law – not that of a daughter, sister, wife, etc. We are not in the court of law, we are in our own life.
We must be the protectors of our own life. If not us, then who? No one, including our own self, should be the judge of this. What we feel in the present is the truth. We are entitled to the truth now and always.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, I will make it a weekend project to print all of them out, and bind them. What a treat it would be to read in the future, or during times where I may need some motivation.
I still find myself astonished at how “simple” things can be. Like in my previous post, it is almost strange, and will take practice. For example today, my focus can be on what I want to make for dinner, and looking forward to my yoga class. That’s it! It does not have to be speckled with worry about calling someone back. It doesn’t have to be being glued to the phone from one place to the other, not even realizing how I got there. It does not have to be all about someone else (thinking I have to end this activity just to get on the phone to make sure X person is okay). No it does not. I am allowed for it to be simple. It will take practice to embrace simplicity. It will take practice to ENJOY simplicity. It will take practice for simplicity to become second nature. The practice can begin now.
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