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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
Need to switch your loyalty from your sister/ mother and their values- to your husband and the values that you choose!
Healing, proceeding in the journey, is about you determining the values that will guide you in your life, no longer following someone else’s values.
And so you put your energy where you see value. Your mother’s value was the-people-over-there, the big family in Disney World, or the happy stranger walking by…and so, you proceeded to value the (almost) strangers moving to Florida, or the people walking by on that walk recently. Abandon her values and adopt your own.
Perhaps Anita, I haven’t developed what I want my own values to be.
Perhaps this is my homework…?
Cali ChicaParticipantBefore I submitted, I wanted to add:
I thought about how empathy, justice, etc all require one thing – ATTENTION
One can not have empathy for someone unless their attention is directed towards that human. One can not harness energy (frenzied energy) towards a person unless Attention is directed there.
Perhaps it is not that different from a child with ADD/ADHD – that has to do ONE task at a time, as multi-tasking creates frenzy and distress – and low outcome/productivity.
Perhaps I must see myself as such – someone who truly has to focus attention on one thing (person) at a time. Perhaps Anita, for the time being, I need to see myself as an ADHD patient who needs to focus on treatment by harnessing energy onto one thing at a time. One person.
I will make a plan on how to approach this – with upcoming social events – as it is during this time that I think the balance is disrupted, and remains disrupted. If I could stay in a cocoon, it would be much easier to work on being a patient and doing this “homework.”
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I will reply to your post by parts – as a student.
1) I am beginning to feel small inkling of true empathy for my husband. This may sound ridiculous to an outside person. But to someone who has been numb, frenzied, and in many ways self-oriented on my own path, it makes sense. Yesterday was in fact a night where I felt true empathy for him, the beginning of it.
About my sister,
you asked how does she help me? And I pondered it out loud (on paper to you), and I thought about how she is helpful – but in fact it is that she and I can relate, that we have a strong bond, and that we have fun together. Especially now that I have worked on some of those boundaries.
But the answer is NO she is not helpful. It isn’t someone i need to harness immense empathy for (which I have my whole life )
Instead, it is my husband I need to help, and harness empathy and “help” for. I notice for so long how my mother and sister took his place in this. It was like not being married at all – or being married to my mother/sister.
So back to the justice…
I am going to re-read the first part and think more while I await your reply.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Interesting point you brought up, you never have. And yes to all of the above, he does all that and more.
The issue is, we enjoy being social – how to be social but not “be” with those people? How to enjoy others company in small selected portions, but not “be” anywhere else. We are quite social (on weekends) but in small selected doses. Often have people visiting, events, large circle of people, etc. etc
My sister is someone I enjoy time with, in small selected portions. She has been helpful in the sense that she understands me and the background – but that isn’t really helpful – it is RELATABILITY.
you are right, no one has been helpful, no one truly cares in that way. you are right. no one else is important.
selectively redirect. I have the power to redirect, I have achieved so much in a short amount of time in this past, so therefore, I too can redirect this energy.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I re-read my last post, and realize how so much of it is a repeat from the past, repeat themes. I suppose that makes sense as what is “right” for us must be repeated over and over before it becomes more natural, before it becomes “our way.”
I thought a lot about the term we speak about “baseline distress” – this term means more to me than anxiety even. As it pinpoints how on certain days, we (I) can feel distressed for no apparent reason at all.
I notice it is on those days where this mind chatter/outer chatter is worst of all. And, it is on those days that this feeling of needing to “escape” and focus on the lives of others – may essentially be a trained response to numb my distress.
I spent a lot of today morning thinking back to my 20s, a time in which I did not have much self-love, and hardly any self-care. I think of it as a time of frenzy, running from event to event, school, friend to friend, frenzied idea of what dating is, frenzied idea of what being single is. This is when I developed many of the habits of ONLY focusing on others. This was a time in which baseline distress was truly the baseline, day in and day out, rain or shine.
Although I may not feel as distressed and frenzied at every single moment of my life now. I can’t say I feel entirely different – and I attribute that to what you and I spoke about yesterday. I attribute it to:
not being programmed to sit with myself, and emotions. not naturally knowing how to process/and release distress
being a natural seeker, and not a sitter
It is all of this that will make my next step in my journey, it is all this that is on my mind.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Absolutely it is better to create a new life experience.
I feel, I am at a standstill again, not unlike a few months ago when I was stuck, with my sister scenario. Now although I can not say that is “fixed” of course, my increased awareness from our conversations was monumental. You helped me see that my first major hurdle, was removing my parents. And that now it was onto number 2, inevitably, learning how to approach the relationship with my sister.
I see now that those are 2 very very important life changing objectives.
But here today, I approached you with something a little different, it is something that is not in the present tense, but entirely tethered to the past. As you wrote, it is a core belief that is stuck in my brain, that I can not unearth.
In a way, this is a task much greater than removing my parents, are redefining the relationship with my sister – as it involves reprogramming my BRAIN.
It is this that will change my life. I know it. I know in my heart that when I can make progress with this, that is when life will feel different finally. No mother, sister, or lack of etc etc – can lead to the same amount of relief/change/awakening/enlighteenment as my changing that core belief. In a way I think I have been waiting for that, and have not found it. Of course not, I am still stuck. On the path, but still stuck.
Yes my life has changed tremendously from the decisions I have made. But for me to feel differently, approach the world truly differently, treat my husband honestly differently, and myself. This core belief has to slowly mold away.
I am an excellent student, and yet, this feels like a flurry. And yet, it is only today that I am seeing how incredibly difficult a task it is to diminish that mental chatter, to not escape to the lives of others to avoid my “inferior” life, and so on.
So like any student, a well conditioned one, I will do what I know works – start from the basics, and build.
I must simplify this arduous task, this subliminal way of my mind. Clearly what I have been doing thus far has not been working, its time to take on a different approach. I will outline a stream of ideas/concepts relevant. And as we speak tomorrow, I will polish and make more sense of my approach/understanding..
- I know that involving myself with too many people clearly does not work. Mind chatter only gets worse when, of course, I chat more! When I over communicate with too many people in a day, it is that much harder for me to shut off my brain and focus on “you and yours” – on mine. I like that term, focusing on mine. I will use it.
- So lets say today I communicated with people at work, yoga, my husband, small talks here and there groceriees etc – that is much different than texting a friend or 3, or responding to a friends question about how my weekend was, or her next trip, etc. when I communicate in this way on a daily basis – my mind only goes there
- it quickly and naturally moves away entirely from sinking and savoring my OWN life. this is a fact
- So lets say today I communicated with people at work, yoga, my husband, small talks here and there groceriees etc – that is much different than texting a friend or 3, or responding to a friends question about how my weekend was, or her next trip, etc. when I communicate in this way on a daily basis – my mind only goes there
- I know that even if I am by myself, however, this occcurs. So in this case I can’t say it was because I was distracted because I was on the phone with someone, out with someone, on my phone etc. I was with my own self
- I see this as habit. About a year ago or so, I remember telling you about an example, with a neighbor J.
- I said something along the lines of how I would automatically text her to meet so our dogs could play, even on days when I didn’t feel myself, or even my dog needed that social interaction.
- You mentioned something excellent, that my action(s) were a compulsion to reduce distress. Obsessive thought occurs, compulsive action follows to “reduce distress.”
- obsess – act
- I see in order to break this cycle it will have to be different
- obsess – analyze – then choose
- in fact, I know the answer will be to not act, to simply do nothing, say nothing at all. but when it comes to the mind, chatter, and such – it is much more difficult than turning off an ACTION.
- obsess – analyze – then choose
- I see in order to break this cycle it will have to be different
- obsess – act
- You mentioned something excellent, that my action(s) were a compulsion to reduce distress. Obsessive thought occurs, compulsive action follows to “reduce distress.”
- I said something along the lines of how I would automatically text her to meet so our dogs could play, even on days when I didn’t feel myself, or even my dog needed that social interaction.
- I see this as habit. About a year ago or so, I remember telling you about an example, with a neighbor J.
- this brings me to a point that, this is perhaps the greatest feat thus far, as it is not a tangible action: cut someone out, stop going there, stop attending to this, etc. This is truly the first attempt to have control over the mind. To then re-wire. To manage my thoughts. To unearth core beliefs
- to summarize this evening, thus far, I know for sure what does not work. It is so very obvious based on my life and observations. It does not work when I am overly social, and overly involved in others. Okay, I am already working onthat. The next step, I will look at like in yoga.. My stamina has increased tremendously in just 2 months. Look at what I am capable of. Perhaps I can increase mental stamina just one step this week/weeks. I wonder what that step should be…
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It has only been about an hour, but I have pondered this, albeit while at work and not only thinking about this. But I have pondered it.
It is an interesting concept. I don’t find myself to be particularly insecure, low self-esteem, low confidence – yet at the core, at the true core is the reality – the false belief, the delusion that:
I believe that my life is inferior.
And that is the point, it doesn’t matter what the outside may show or the overall may show, it is those deep-rooted core beliefs that dictate how we truly feel, interact in the world, and what goes on in our minds daily.
But it is true, and there is not mystery as to why – I was fed this information my entire life from my mother.
I recall some time ago reading about a famous star, singer or such, mentioning that he/she never felt adequate even when she rose the ranks, as she was made to feel inferior her whole life.
I didn’t feel I related to this entirely. But today I see it, that I do not believe my ownself as inferior to others, in fact I think positively of my own personality, capabilities and skills – but in contrast the core belief is there —
And thus I distract, I talk about others, I focus on others, I escape my own life. It is true. I notice it.
It feels I am incapable of relaxing and focusing into my own life. I instead gravitate naturally to commenting on others, uplifting others, obsessing over details in their life, sometimes helping them, sometimes helping no one, but staying occupied. Staying occupied, escaping from my own life.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
“constant focus on the lives of others” is a way for you to escape your experience of your own life, the allegedly inferior life
I will let this sink in, and reply back in a few hours. I know you may be on your walk at this time (so enjoy that!) regardless, we will speak more when you are available. Thank you for your insight and wisdom today – and always.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
That is great advice, and I remember, on vacation (over the fall when we were away for a whole month) I practiced this. And i was ssuccessful. The difference is I was not around much “distraction.” I didn’t have constant fodder from friends updating me what they’re doing, etc. I didn’t have as much “to report” so my brain was slightly quieter, and as a result my chatter.
I do have a question about the prior post:
You wrote:
– the motivation of the young Cali Chica in you going on and on to the friends is to get them to take you with them to Florida?
I replied:
-Take me away from my INFERIOR life, I wish I could have a SUPERIOR one like you.
Do you believe this is also related to the constant mind chatter/chatter. I do in a way, the constant focus on the lives of others, which in essence does give them more “power”/importance, and my own life – less of a priority.
To answer your question, sleep:
It is improved NOW – 10000% percent because of my yoga practice. To the point that this practice is not my “cure” but a necessity for me now.
No I do not take anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medications. I try to limit caffeine and alcohol. I try to eat well. But the biggest difference in my life is from yoga. It is truly what has helped me sleep, by allowing the tensions in my body to dissipate (somewhat) and for my mind to reach new depths.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
After we discuss the above, when you would like – I wanted to add something else…
To add about the portion that is “compulsive mind chatter” it is almost like an “obsession with others”
an example would be, if you are on a nice walk with your husband enjoying the sunlight, the sounds, the people everywhere, walking, running, biking – a beautiful environment. Why would you constantly talk? Talk about this and that. “oh S and her boyfriend are going away finally, she is happy he finally booked the trip.” “oh that lady at work was saying how the center is going to get busier in the summer.” “oh I saw the neighbor earlier and she mentioned there’s an open house she went to upstairs, but it was an old unit.”
Can’t just stay in the present. Talking about this and that. This is similar to the above scenario (couple moving to florida) but also different in the sense of it is “talking just to talk” having focus on the Lives of others, being preoccupied with what they are doing (not finding it superior per se in this scenario) but just being consumed by it.
my mother used to do this ALL THE TIME – almost like a “let’s see who and what we can talk about now to fill the time, beyond gossip, compulsive mind chatter/spoken chatter”
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
The motivation of young Cali Chica to say: look at how great your life is, and your set up – I want that too!
Take me away from my INFERIOR life, I wish I could have a SUPERIOR one like you.
But in all reality let’s say I snapped my finger and switched scenarios – I wouldn’t find that one superior at all. Nope. I would say “wow you get to live in NYC, the best city in the world – how lucky YOU are..”
and so forth…
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, I do. As I have mentioned before, I do not have that many vivid memories from childhood (or the thoughts from childhood). But I can say I remember a vague sense of this.
For example, my mother and I – our family, we would go visit someone (my cousin) who was living in a lower-middle class apartment complex, kids outside, people walking around, perhaps more urban. She would say “what’s the point of living in a nice big house like ours and be lonely, it is so much better to be here – around people.” So I would manifest this. As I played outside with my cousins, and all her friends (as there were so many apartments and so many children) I wouldn’t want to leave. I thought “this was happiness” and going back to my lonely big house was sad.
So yes, that is one example. I can think of others.
Therefore, I do remember as a child thinking I wanted to be in the superior scenarios (and mine were inferior).
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
exactly. exactly.
it is about viewing others as superior to you, superior to you-and-your-husband
your husband cannot get himself out of that inferior lock he is in
It sounds like even the “compulsive note taking” and “over observation” falls under this. It does.
hmm..where to go from here?
to add: (edited after submitted)
my mother spent a great deal of energy and grief “hating” this about her self. “wishing” she was someone who could focus on “you and yours” but instead couldn’t. but she would wax and wane between feeling she had nothing to appreciate and so of course worshipped others – to the other extreme of “oh I have so much, but look we spend our time on other people, how wasteful” of course never having true awareness or the depth of this “dysfunction”
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
To add, I will look at last Friday. We were out to dinner with 2 other couple, close friends of mine, and now ours. A great time.
My husband and I spoke about this yesterday (same conversation as that including our walk). The concept that I “over-emphasize” and over appreciate what others do/are doing/are. AT the dinner I made it a huge point that my friends were moving to Florida and they got great jobs. I went on and on about it. To the friends it probably seemed normal, Cali Chica being nice and supportive. I went on and on about it on the way home too to my husband, emphasizing how great it is for them…and looking back it was “compulsive/obsessive”
See Anita, if it was my husband and I who were making this move (which ironically we just made a move) I would by no means be as “appreciative/amazed/happy” about it.
Second, and most importantly, my husband stated how this has always been so hard for him, and now become a sore spot – because it is as though no matter what I will appreciate that of others, and undermine all that he does for me. All the love and support. I forgot how he said it exactly but something along the lines of. They can have 1% but you give it 1000% appreciation and amazement, but i do 1000x that, and I get 1% appreciation/acknowledgement.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Wow that sounds like a nice spring, it isn’t quite that warm here just yet- but soon – I hope!
I apologize as I did not explain my scenario in detail, I did feel that I wanted to get the general concept out first, and then backtrack to details. In a way understanding the overall situation of what I do, and then dissect.
To answer your question it is EXACTLY mind chatter taking notes in a compulsive way. Also of course it does sometimes include opinions, “oh what a nice dress” “oh weird hair” – but that isn’t quite as problematic as the first “over observation” Does that make sense? so I would say it is both, but my primary issue is the first and foremost compulsive observation, like being unable to turn that off. this came up because my husband brought it up. And we were talking about how now I am aware of it, but it continues, and that it takes away from our OWN relaxed experience. As I don’t just have the mind chatter, I speak about it out loud. Some of which can be within normal – “oh look at the sweet baby,” But as my first post referenced, it is excessive. Constant mind chatter, constant observation. And also with it does come anecdotes, “oh look at that picnic, maybe we should do that next weekend..” and in my head — why didn’t we do that today, should we have?
compulsive/habitual mind chatter, but with also a component of anecdotes
- I know that involving myself with too many people clearly does not work. Mind chatter only gets worse when, of course, I chat more! When I over communicate with too many people in a day, it is that much harder for me to shut off my brain and focus on “you and yours” – on mine. I like that term, focusing on mine. I will use it.
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