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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
Good morning, thank you for your reply.
I would like you to elaborate more on this:
your mother pushed you, or invested her energy performing her shows for the short term return on investment that was an emotional relief, on her part, a joy of sorts for having punished you, a Win-Lose interaction, she wins the relief and joy, you lose. When you push next, or invest your energy, (continue to) aim at the long term return on investment in Win-Win interactions and relationships. This way you will be sensibly strong
Cali ChicaParticipant“When you love someone, the best thing you can offer is your presence. How can you love if you are not there?” ~Thich Nhat Hanh
Dear Anita,
I read a lot yesterday, I felt – glimmers – more than usual. Yes, indeed, the hormonal “feeling” is of benefit, and yes, I’ll take it.
This quote above – it is everything. Absolutely everything.
How can I love if I am not there? I have not been there. I was with my mother, when in her womb, when outside her womb, when living in her home, when living outside her home, when single, when married. I was with HER. So how, oh how can I love.
But NOW I am working on being here, just here, with me, and with my husband.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Not judging ourselves for not feeling it any longer, how true. In fact every single time I feel a glimmer of some feeling, I remind myself, it is good I felt something, I don’t have to grasp onto tightly to it. By the nature of feeling it, that in and of it self is progress. By grasping onto it and trying to recall it, I don’t make the growth any stronger. Let it ebb and flow as nature intended. The healing is happening whether I direct or not. The emotions will come as the process continues.
The concept of my mother being a strong being, feigning weakness is very important. It is a new topic of hours this week, and it has very big consequences. It teaches me that her entire act of being weak brought out weakness in me, in the context of my relationship with my mother, only I suffered. So she may have suffered in the context of her relationships with other people. But for my journey, the only thing that matters is that in that relationship with myself, it was only I who suffered.
Are used to spend a lot of time thinking about what made my mom this way, did all of the horrible things that happened to her make her into an abusive person. Did it hardened her so much that it made her cold and mean, and made her project her burdens onto us? But the more I progress the more I realize it doesn’t matter. Not everyone chooses to act the way that she did to her own children. If everyone did, we would have a world of serial killers and terrible people. The point is, my focus has to be the effect it had on me. If she feigned weakness throughout her entire life with me, but did feel weak often throughout her entire life. That means nothing in the context of my relationship with her. I suffered. I was given this role of being super based on a lie. I was told to be the strong one because she was weak. But the truth is she was never truly weak. She made me weak, and never gave me the time to recharge, but made this battered person fight a battle daily. A battered human being being sent to war daily.
I think about what it means to actually sit with somebody. Actually sit with somebody and talk. This never happened. I was always being talked to that. I was never being talked with. If I had the floor, and I was able to talk as much as I wanted to, I was being scrutinized and Judged. I was entertaining her I wanted to run home with good news to make her happy, this weak little thing, look how much strength can help you, uplift you. Look how my abilities can make it all better for you. As you said earlier Anita,, look how my dedication to you can bring you the revenge that you always deserve. Watch me go out there and fight your battles for you, don’t you worry. I am super – and I am strong. Or so I thought. I was told. Yes I was told I had the strength to persevere and keep pushing. Fighting battles I was never supposed to.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Seems like we humans cannot be happy unless we are soft. That softness makes it possible for us to engage in life so much that we forget to (over) think and resist emotions, we let them be, come and go, no longer resisting, no longer tense, no longer afraid of the experience of emotions.
Yes, happiness = softness. Which = reality.
We must feel reality, for what it is. The good, the bad, the ugly. Feel it for what it is – the real stuff.
If and when we feel, we can find joy, and happiness.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
the more we talk about this topic, the more that comes up – so I apologize in advance for my continuous stream of consciousness – today I am able to “talk” write here, for the next few hours, which I am happy about.
Softness: It requires observation. Not the mind chatter observation I usually have (oh look at his shirt, thats nice, did I bring that sort of shirt on vacation? etc etc) NO, real observation. Observation often that is based on love and affection.
It is the noticing of your husband’s face when he is thinking out something difficult. It is noticing the tendency a loved one has when they are hungry. It is picking up on patterns, it is appreciating quirks. It is seeing that this “tic” of your husband often happens when he is stressed, but isn’t aware of his stress. It is often realizing something about someone before they do for their own self.
You know Anita, my husband is excellent at this. My friend used to always use the word thoughtful. What a nice word – and beyond that, always observant, thoughtful, aware of my needs before I am aware of them.
Yes he is a quite special and unique man. But, I too can practice some of those qualities. and this comes with focus, and softness.
Softness doesn’t come when we are frenzied. For example, you mentioned how you had a smile when you read my post, and wrote..”Sure…” – you smiled at my stream of consciousness..my characteristic way of speaking. You wouldn’t have done this if you were at the same time reading 3 other emails, or on the phone. You wouldn’t have done this if you were fixated on what to write to me, instead of listening to me. no you wouldn’t have. And at this time you may wonder why perhaps, you didn’t feel softness – lets pretend. Well “you” didn’t set yourself up for it did you?
Setting yourself up for softness…I will ponder this.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I feel for you when I read that you decided to “undo” and not feel this softness.
For me, I did not know i did that, but of course I did, but it was subconscious.
Regardless I did too – and I felt a glimmer of sadness for both of us, that we undid this, how sad for us – us wonderful beings.
I am glad to hear that you feeling this “stirring of life” sensation. What is that like? It is new to me – I don’t think I have ever felt a true awakening like this. Well, I don’t expect it – I am focused right now on feeling anything at ALL, (such as my PMS induced emotions last night!).
your concept of the leg falling asleep, there is a medical term for it, the pain after the blood flow comes back. What an excellent analogy. How intuitive and intelligent you are. As you have seen, I do love a good analogy, it is quite satisfying.
Have to start somewhere right?
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
This softness that you speak of. I recognize it too! The affection- oh how I love how you used that term. I know that feeling recognizing a mannerism of someone you like or love and smiling. Appreciating this personal trait about them or this endearing personal trait. Seeing them as they are, they’re innate self thinking out loud. It is nice to to recognize it, and nice to feel this softness.
I’ll give you an example then too. I noticed last week I mentioned there was that day I prepared to be a good listener to my husband. Well he came home with that old enthusiasm in his voice. Excited about the store he has just gone to or someone he had met. I hadn’t heard it in forever- and I used to hear it all the time. It was a pleasant feeling to hear this and also feel that softness. If only momentarily.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, ironically this time there is a benefit to the “unease” – it led to some feeling. Well whether distressed or not, to feel something is more important – and I’ll take it!
We rejected softness early on didn’t we. Yes
Tell me, Anita – what was one of your first ways to start uncovering that softness – or moving through the hardness?
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
What a powerful post. So much truth, about the dishonesty that is.
You and I have that in common, we became hardened, strong as in tenderness-avoidant, as in, no, I will never be like her (the mother), soft, only we misunderstood, she wasn’t soft
No, we were tricked weren’t we. we were.
It is the pretense, the dishonesty, the lie we should have rejected if we only understood then, if only we were capable of understanding a mother’s show vs a mother’s heart.
We should have, but we didn’t know. And when we did find out, it was too late in many ways – as our brains and hearts were already formed under this pretense. So what we have is a set up for undoing that, for life.
It is important to always remind ourselves that any role we had was based on dishonestly. Soon I will begin to feel more and more, don’t you think Anita?
As a joke I will say, I am glad for PMS this month, the “emotionality” has helped me feel at least something!!
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I mentioned to you a few months back, feeling extra distressed – being aware that the week before that “time of the month” I felt especially emotionally up and down and suffered.
Well that time has arrived again. And this time around, as much as it is not pleasant – I found something.
I felt a lot yesterday. Sure, some of it is the “hormones” feeling extra emotional – but I felt it – didn’t I? It was me who felt it, not someone else.
I felt a tenderness for my husband yesterday – let me tell you the story:
My friend S, a very good friend, I have mentioned her before. Sweet, kind, straightforward. Not very emotionally “deep” in the sense of she hasn’t experienced much in her life to bring her there – nor does she approach life this way. Regardless – great friend from college, and an optimist.
She is dating someone seriously now after a very long time, and as such, really really appreciates it, and him. It is nice to see this. And I often think about how I never felt this way when first meeting my husband. Happy yes, but not the sense of respect, admiration and appreciation – because of course the mother voice.
Well they are going on a vacation to Italy this week, and I was asking her if she is excited. She mentioned she is, but she may have to do some of the activities alone. I asked why? As this was odd to me, their first big vacation together!
She said, “he’s the type to need his rest, and so maybe won’t be up to so much back to back.”
I thought to myself – interesting. I would never be okay with that. I would have pushed my poor husband out of bed and said, here drink some coffee time to go! But he also baseline isn’t the type to sit back and not engage or do just like me – when it comes to travel etc.
I mention to my friend that it is good of her to be so understanding.
To which she replies: Yeah, well I do prefer him to be happy and well rested. What’s the point of pushing and creating a fight anyway.
I was taken aback. I was surprised at this: she prefers him to be in the baseline state that is comfortable for him. She accepts him, she doesn’t push and prod.
Of course I am taking this small conversation to a larger extent
but I felt tenderness for my dear husband. never allowing him to rest and be, always pulling and pushing, a visual of poking him over and over when he’s resting, a visual of pulling his hair and slapping hima round. and when he rests yelling and saying get up. if he tries to do his best to go up the mountain, my screaming faster! don’t you know what I like!!
This visual of me as a NOT understanding person, unlike the example above. This understanding that I am not understanding. And that mother voice or not, I did treat him this way. I thought about how much suffering and trauma that makes a person go through. And I felt the first glimpse of it. Not much Anita, but something.
I felt tenderness, that wow, how and why would I do such a thing to him. And also – that I do hope I never do anymore.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for navigating my verbose and confused post. You are right in that it must have been distressing to write this, as my frenzied nature was reflected in the grammar of the post. Thank you for your patience. You have many key points that I will highlight here and comment on.
The result was your genuine weakness.
Yes, my GENUINE weakness, brought out by her FAKE weakness. Like a talented actress/manipulator evoking the true emotions of a sweet innocent being, using her acting technique to purge this authentic quality.
the role of being the strong one is connected to that outward focus and it drains you. Worse of all, it is based on a lie, a pretense of weakness.
The role of being the strong one is draining, yes it is. And yes, worst of all, it is all in vain. Just as you used to use this term, all in vain – in regards to all my efforts to reason with my mother 2 years ago. You used to say it is “all in vain” and it stuck with me, and truly helped. Well this is the second portion of the “all in vain.” My taking on the strong role is quite foolish as it is all based on a lie. It is not truly necessary to take on that role, and it was not appointed to me by any sane person for a true reason! Its not like the classic example of the eldest child having to take on the “strong role” because one parent passed away, creating more of a parenting role for that child. It is not like the example in which a teenage pregnant girl had to take on the strong role as she was now a young mother. It wasn’t that my mother was “mentally ill” and hospitalized often and so I had to take on this strong role to help with the household.
No, Anita! my “strong” role was BULLS*** !! strong for what? what is this socalled “strength” – it is just frenzied and draining behavior. No productive strength, just torture, pain, and drain.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I love your analogy about the cake and the slap. This pretty much sums up the last year that I spent speaking with my mother. Actually much longer than that, but as you know in the last year I was more aware of this reality or analogy.
I remember two years ago being at my aunts house, my mother had flooded there, and wouldn’t pick up the phone, this is aunt of mine lives locally next to my parents. We had gotten into some huge fight, and I was heading home close to my parents for an engagement party for my friend, the plan was for me to come to my parents house before the party to get ready although it was majorly inconvenienced for myself. Of course, everything was always on based on how much time I could spend with my parents because of course my sweet dear parents want to see their daughter, how could you not make that a priority. Well long story short, we had gotten into a terrible fight and this was around the time where my mother was going to extremes this was no longer screaming matches but extremes and extremes. So like a mature adult, when I called her all morning she wouldn’t pick up. My father, no better, said to me he’s not sure where my mother is, but just keep trying. Idiots. Knowing that my mother cannot outsmart me and she has the emotional capacity of a two-year-old, I drove home to my parents house, the house was empty, my dad was at work, my mother was in Asylum so to speak giving me the silent treatment. I drive a few minutes away to my aunts house. Lo and behold my mother is there seeking asylum, healing and licking her wounds. I walk in, my aunts mother-in-law’s there, an elderly lady of course in her 80s, and my mother. Everyone else is at work. My mother is there sitting there looking like she had just gone through labor or something, distraught, dark circles under her eyes, hardly able to walk. Putting on this big show of her suffering. She looks at the old lady in a way saying, look at my daughter and what she did to me, I had to run away here to you, who else will take care of me. Elderly lady looks at me with concern, and says something along the lines of, be good to your mother.
The whole thing is a circus. It was one of those moments where I looked at it and said wow is this literally real life, am I the only sane one here? And I realize the answer was yes. But I wasn’t there yet where I was unwilling to reason with this insane person, I was still at that point where I was giving it a few of my last shots. I recall reasoning her to the point that I began to feel as crazy as her. As a victim mise does hurt. As frail and tortured as her. Pretty soon I too felt like I wanted to crawl into this couch, and lay there under a blanket waiting for my Savior as well.
Interesting isn’t it? When we spend time with these kinds of people, they can bring us down to their level. Not just in the obvious way of a motional vampirism. But in the way that they can bring you down to their mental level, infecting your brain, brainwashing you to a primitive way of thinking to an evil way of being even. I look back at this now and I have a visual, my mother sitting on one couch with a blanket meekly over her body staring out into the world looking like she was hit by a tornado. Myself and another couch, and slightly better condition, but terrible nonetheless. My husband walks in and first looks at my mother and then at me. And he sees that it is one and in the same.
and it is.
Doesn’t matter who got their first does it? It doesn’t matter that this was not my condition before I arrived at that house – and was beaten down to this level.
I’ve seen many times in my life where the only way I know how to cope with some thing is to fight and be angry, and then with her away into a meek damaged being. Not unlike the scenario above, but hardly ever this dramatic. I see myself now, and talking about the idea of being good and loving, and how in so many ways it seems so simple. But look above, how much more effort and how much more difficult does it seem to outside or to act like the way it is above. Doesn’t it seem so much more simple to be loving. But of course life doesn’t work like that. I have only seen dysfunction. I have only seen a human adult, a mother nonetheless, Cope in the way as seen above.
On another note but related as well. Yesterday I was at a get together, we threw a going away party for my good friend who is moving. It was a very pleasant day, with many different friends from different parts of life. I woke up today thinking about how I was so relaxed at the entire event. I was there, it was mostly my friends, my husband arrive later, it was good in all aspects. I thought about how I didn’t have anyone there that was extremely close to me, not my sister, no best girlfriend, nothing of that sort. I had two very close colleagues of mine, and besides that many of the people were more like acquaintances. I thought about how This was relaxing to me. I am easily distracted when someone close to me somewhere, quite fixated on what they are doing or what they want. Especially if it is my sister. But this wasn’t the case. Oh by the way the friend that is moving is the one that is moving to Florida, I have brought up this couple before. He is an amazing person and and I was glad to be able to celebrate one of his last days in NYC. I was there for many hours, and I began to observe at some point, I thought about the concept of glitter. I also thought about the concept of everything that is good is over there, if it is here it is by nature not good. The Disney world example. I thought about how slowly I am learning to undo that. I observed some people who were there, and I noticed positive things about their life whatever they were. But I also noticed things about their life that were different than mine. I wasn’t doing this to compare I was simply observing. I didn’t find it any point that I was seeing anyone of their lives are circumstances asBetter or more positive. On the other hand I didn’t observe as anyone circumstances her life as inferior or more negative. I just let it be. I noticed that my mothers entire life was to observe and judge other people. If she was at this party her entire goal would be to sit there and judge and make it known how everyone there was a worse than her and she was better. Or if anyone of them had eight an objectively betterI’m stance, she would make it a point to talk all night how their life is not as good as it seemed. I noticed how exhausting this is, and how it has been very difficult for me to enjoy so many events as this mother voice carries with me. Instead of enjoying the company of others or being in the moment, his mother voice does not allow me to stop seeing things beyond the surface. I didn’t think that this was something that was controllable, and of course I didn’t realize that the mother voice is not actually my voice per se. So yesterday was one of the first times at a public event that I was able to engage with other people without getting sucked in. I was able to engage with other people without being out ward the whole night. This is important. I will also say that it was nice that I was not really there with anyone that close to me outside of my husband. This helped, my energy was not distracted and focused on everyone else but me, or my bhsband,it was just a simple good time.
Another thing that I noticed which I have known in my head for a very long time, but have not really acted on it in real life is that I am very sensitive to the energy of other people. I know this, and it is obvious. I can be like a sponge for the energy around me, making it difficult to protect my own spirit. But I noticed a few different examples yesterday in which a simple conversation would say one or another person left me feeling a little strange for a microsecond. I remembered to check in with myself and I ask myself why. One of the examples is that I was talking to a girl that was dating our friend, she is at least 10 years younger than him, so the conversation was a bit odd. I reminded myself that I am not talking to a peer, I’m talking to almost an adolescent, and so what I am sensing has nothing to do with me.
I observed this again today. The wife of one of my husbands friends, who I am pretty friendly with over the years, sent me a text message to ask me a question. She’s not someone I conversed with regularly, only at events or get-togethers. But she asked me a question about a wedding that is coming up in our front circle. I found myself wanting to extend the conversation more, out of the normal habit of mine. But I didn’t, I answered your question I asked her how she was and back-and-forth. And that was it. I didn’t have to become something it wasn’t. It is OK to just keep things as they are, I don’t know if I want to use the term on the surface, but this is the term that is working for me right now so I will say it. I know it doesn’t actually mean the surface but you get my gist. It is OK to keep things on the surface, to go with the flow, to let it be easy. Everything doesn’t have to be a deep diving emotional journey, doesn’t have to be deeply engaged always, it could just be whatever it is. My mother always explain to us that those people who keep things at the service, are often fake. They don’t actually care about your life and so they don’t get deeper into questioning. I now see as an adult with more social tact that this is untrue. There is a time and place for deep conversations with certain people but you don’t have to extend a friendly ear an open heart to those who haven’t even asked for it!
Anyway, all in all I noticed that first of all, it is not necessary to get too involved with people. It is not necessary to get to involved with people. There may be times in which we are asked to go out and golf with people when there are specific scenarios. But on a regular basis, it is a nice way to be. This leaves much more energy to be involved with your own self and your own family.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you I look forward to speaking with you further tomorrow in the morning as well. In fact, tomorrow around 9 AM is one of the first times that I don’t have any plans to be away, and so I look forward to sipping my tea and reading your response and writing back to you in real time, those moments when we are able to do that are very precious. Of course no pressure as always.
The more I write to you as always the more I think. I submitted my last post and laid on the couch thinking about what I wanted to watch on television. I scrolled through some titles and of course – There are an array of different genres, heartbreak, grief, murder mystery, silly comedy at Cetera. But so much of TV is based on the concept of love. So much of Hollywood is based on this concept, so much of our radio songs are, in fact almost everything in the entertainment world does revolve around the concept of romantic love to a certain point. It is the strongest driving factor for a human being to do many things so it seems based on what we watch and hear. There is also the love between a mother and child, which is not always portrayed as dramatically on the television, as it is always understood. It is simply understood often, of course the love between a mother and child is amazing and wonderful and a bond that cannot be broken, and of course it is not taking advantage of as often romantic love is. This is quite common, and the case for most human beings.
As I was browsing through some channels mindlessly, not really focused are committed to March, I realize something, if all of this is focused on adult love, romantic relationships, it is based on the premise that the person learn to love already based on the interaction with their first love, the love with their mother.
Of course I am on able to love as an adult appropriately as the love with my mother was way beyond screwed up, as an understatement!
Sometimes when I humble myself by realizing things like this, and saying them out loud, I am more gentle with myself. And my work with you over the last few months has taught me that no progress comes from self cruelty or self hatred, and being gentle with yourself is not the same as being to wax or having a weakness. It is actually quite the contrary it is actually loving. To be gentle with myself doesn’t mean that I am giving myself a pass. In the world of my mother where everything is win win or lose lose it may seem this way, to be gentle means that you didn’t learn the lesson, or you didn’t receive your punishment. But back to what I said, I am on able to love appropriately now as an adult given so many of these factors, so if I allow myself to learn it as a student from fresh- if I allow myself that time and respect – I can begin somewhere.
I want to generalize when I make the following comments so bear with me. Most people by the time they reach teenage years or adulthood, entering their first romantic relationships in high school, college, and beyond, already have a strong foundation of what it means to love someone. It is not because they have studied this actively, but they have possibly and subconsciously been taught these things by what may seem is appropriate parenting. And these don’t have to be amazing parents, parents of the year, parents who will do anything and everything. They simply have to be non-abusive. It really is that simple and away. I didn’t think of this before I thought that my parents were amazing because they sacrificed their life for us so to speak. Oh my. But all it takes to have a healthy understanding of love, is a parent that is simply not abusive. A gross over simplification I know.
The exercises that we have done over the last month or so have shown the both of us that all I heard as a young girl was my mothers roaring voice, her lion roar constantly day in and day out, if she made me upset I may run off, she may run to me, out of her own guild, to get her own needs met. She never asked me how I felt, she never cared about how I felt, how she made me feel was never of concern to her, but only if it made her feel bad inside about herself, everything she did was to escape any distress in her own self, whether that meant to lash out at myself or my father or whether it meant To lay screaming on the floor acting like a victim from an earthquake.
To be good as to be loving. Where did I see anyone who is truly loving? Let’s fast-forward from my childhood to my adulthood. If they were so loving when they were young, when I was young, turn off or what, to create a bank? We spent 30 years of being loving towards you so now it’s time to pay up. You have a crude a lot of interest with our actions, so how dare you not do as we say. Pay up, do you think this is all for free? You foolish stupid girl, look at you how useless you are you deserve a slap in the face with how ungrateful you are, pay up. Look at you, just taking from us your whole life, and now this amazing wedding and all of that, you just want to drain our bank dry don’t you putting us in the negatives, we paid so to speak our whole life to you, and now you just want to suck us dry leave us poor and homeless out on the street don’t you. Look at you you have nothing to pay us do you?!??
So Nyra, no I do not know what it means to be good – if to be good is to be loving. In the most simple way.
I know everything in the more complex way, I know how to do -I know how to seek to run and lash out
But to be good is to be loving, and listening, and supportive. Nope that is what needs to be worked on
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
This is what it means being good, being a loving person. Once again something that it was read at any other point in my life would have been easily glazed over passed over over, seemingly obvious but not understood it all by myself.
Every single time I see my dog his entire body shakes from wagging his tail so much, because his loving nature overcome the time. This is very similar to infants or toddlers, children. Sometimes we are conditioned to feel that those that are not grown-up, intelligent, or aware are able to be so loving, but when we become sense ENT, sensible, and aware of the reality of the world, we lose this innocence. In a way, this to me sounds like I am saying, that to be loving is to be naïve, and perhaps foolish. As I spoke about in one of my previous posts, the mother of boys would want us to avoid teamwork at all costs, it was always a win-win situation. And in fact, to be loving without getting anything in return, and her eyes would be foolish and a loser situation. Perhaps through all these years of seeing this behavior and being taught such, I have learned that to be loving for just the sake of being loving, to be a good person, isn’t actually good, it is foolish.
Those of us that are intelligent, and aware of the realities of the world are foolish to have such puppy love. As I think about this right now, and throughout the day, somethings come to mind intuitively. Here they are:
What’s the point of being loving? What do you get out of being loving? If people are smart and see what the reality of others are, and they have been hurt many times, maybe they are loving because they are being fake. Those that are loving without issue probably haven’t really experienced much in life, they are naïve, or haven’t really had much bad happen to them. Perhaps they are not very emotionally intelligent and so the world is a happy go lucky face, perhaps developmentally like a child. Of course it is easy for them to be loving, why wouldn’t it be? It is much harder to be loving when you know the truth about people And the world and become disappointed.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
- no teamwork in life
- win at all costs
- always win/lose
I can physically and mentally feel that I am in the process of resurrecting her voice. It is palpable. To the point that like yesterday evening, I noticed I was able to have a palpable shift in attention. And it worked! When my husband did arrive home, he was in a great mood. I learned about his day and didn’t consistently interject (mentally or verbally) with my own mind chatter/personal chatter/nonsense chatter. As you say, it is this practice, and seeing results, and so forth over and over – changing patterns, and in time : neuropathways
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