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Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
I must have said/thought: hmm I guess so – what else can I do?
Now, well – I do feel conflicted about this. In fact I think on a daily basis I struggle of the concept of being positive versus negative/annoyed.
I notice that I know now – that being “real” as my mother would say and simply negative and self pitying leads to nothing at all.
i do often still feel that those that are positive always, often have not had much hardship, and it is easier for them to “float through life” they haven’t been traumatized, stressed and treated poorly like many of us.
but i also know there are incredible people who remain positive in the face of adversity, and that is admirable.
in short, I know the benefit of remaining positive – but it is not innate to me, so it is something I have to actively work on.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good morning to you..
I shall start.
Young/adolescent Cali Chica:
why should we be positive? does it mean something good will happen? no, not necessarily! so then why be positive? why be hopeful – if the outcome will be the same regardless, and maybe a bad one.
mother answer: well of course you have to be positive and hope – what else can you do
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes to first steps. Iâm glad to at least start the conversation!
i was thinking a lot about IT- the empathy. And how often this is missing in my own life. Compassion yes – but truly feeling for another – deeply – feels amiss for many years at least. Â Hidden, hardened – whatever it may be.
I would like to continue the exercise today when you are awake and available – if that also works for you.
Talk soon!
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
as always we are in sync. How funny. I have a phone call with a web developer tomorrow at 5 pm. First step it is! First steps not empires. First steps not Mountains.
Just like healing. Time and small steps. Going down the path.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I notice that being focused to start an endeavor, whatever it may be – based on feelings of feeling stuck, annoyance at others, feeling suffocated by the system – are still all outward feelings.
they take away from the inward ambition/intuition and focus on the external environment. just like always
I will work on honing in on what it is I want to do – to take that first step – for myself, and future patients / outside of the external environment that I may or may not be disgruntled with.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I absolutely agree. And in fact I am working on “not trying to build an empire, but simply take the first step.”
The first step is the hardest. And more than anything, organizing my thoughts and plan.
I also know that my driving force often is things such as that lady at work who can often be rude — the concept of, why should I be an employee of someone like this when I can take a step to lead and build. Start somewhere.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Cali Chica.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
i also thought about how it is work to relax. Actively carving out and maintaining it – not forcing/ but engaging in it – creating the environment and reminding myself that it is important. Not fleeing or escaping into frenzy. Befriending the emotions.
I thought about how in medical school and that time – I would instantly flee. But I also felt a lot of discomfort. I didnât understand.
Sometimes it feels like the mind chatter is important and it tries to tell us something. But when you listen you realize it is circuitous and not productive. Learning how to halt it but also get to the root of it. I am in the process of understanding how much of this is the bird with the back and forth frenzy. And how much is inner fears and anxiety. Perhaps itâs all the same.
Recently my mind chatter and lack of contentment is entirely centered on work. The concept that I have the talent and drive to start something on my own and that I should. It would be better than being an employee (some of which you discussed with your husband) and I would hen ownership of my own self. With the talent, insight, and drive to help people I have – and experience /such as what is seen in our posts as well – it is truly what I want and need to do.
Just feeling stuck on taking that first step.
Then I also feel quite tired from my regular life and balancing it all – so I push it to the side. In a way I often feel right now may be I am exhausted from everything that is going on so I shouldnât push myself too much. But the more I stay away from my âdrive to build and createâ to explore and develop my own self – the more I will feel this way.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
it is pretty cool isnât it. Virtual friend and messages from across the country. There is some benefit to the technology we have!
i do not cook meat for him or have it. However if we are ordering food/take out or delivery he will order it. Or when we dine out.
I thought on the walk yesterday how difficult it feels sometimes just to live a normal day. Not the kind of get out of bed difficult. But more the balance – good habits. Social life. Healing. Healing is not itâs own category but the space for it. The space to relax and sink in. That is the priority.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
the more you relax into it, the faster it will become intuitive.
The more I relax, the more it can sink in. I will say I did a good first step yesterday evening – after I spoke to you. I went to yoga, took a nice shower, and took my time – for once – to make a simple dinner. I was mindful when i cut the vegetables, and I tried to do a good balance of working quickly but still staying present – it was a first step.
We then went for a nice walk in the park, now that it is summer – finally – the sun sets late, and it is such a pleasant atmosphere. I noticed as I walked I thought about what we spoke about. I had space. I had space for our lessons to sink in because I was relaxed.
If the pot is full and boiling over, there is no space for anything else to be added. you keep trying to throw things in , vegetables, spices, more water – but it just boils over – creating messes and burns! burns! gosh why am I getting burned!
and then you take time, let some water evaporate, cool down perhaps. There’s space. You can add – you can take a look at what is needed, do I need more water? spice? vegetables? What do I need?
What is missing? What do I need? There is space, boiling water is not oozing over about to burn..
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I hope you had a pleasant day I assume you may be leaving the computer now for a few hours or al until tomorrow morning. I am going to go to a yoga class, after which I will take a nice shower and return to what we spoke about today. I think it will involve some more reading and sinking in. I will write my thoughts when I am more relaxed into it âlater this evening. I look forward to speaking with you tomorrow morning then.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I smiled when I read:
speeds up the process when you relax again and again
how counterintuitive for SCC. How opposite of how she has been living her life. But how so very true.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
it – is empathy. Absolutely. How aptly put. We have been speaking so much about tenderness and as a result we have been speaking about empathy. But in a way, I overlooked this. Overlooked the fact that my mother did not have empathy for me. She as a human, or more – a mother would/should (hate to use should but here in this case it makes sense) she would have empathy. Â Empathy as in love, concern, softness, tenderness.
But she was saturated – empty of this empathy – empty of it for me. So as a result I was an IT. I burdensome it.
And yes, more so, of course I did not learn to befriend these emotions. I felt very much that – ah look at these emotions look how burdensome they are to my mother and me. Look how foolish and messed up I am. Look at how terrible. Oh woe is me the tragedy.
This did not lead to coping and ways to manage – but instead self loathing and more running frenzy and avoidance of true emotion. Away from tenderness. Towards hardness and frenzy.
So now with this Understanding. It does require my beginning of befriending.
And with our conversation, and exercises and whatever else we do – I see this progress and unraveling is not too far away – and it is possible.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Long time no talk. I was busy over this weekend with some company, but I kept in mind our work, it was nice to take this time to let it sink in and also observe some of the barriers to my possible healing/growth.
I noticed first of all that I am a very busy person, not in the traditional sense that I have a busy job, but my husband and I both have very active social life separately and now together, and we are also very involved with our friends and family to a great degree. I have touched on this before but I noticed that it will require active effort, especially during the summer months in which we are inundated with family events, weddings, etc., for me to carve out time with him, quality time just us, or quality time not doing too much. It is quite easy especially living in a city like New York city to constantly have company and people around, but that downtime just us is quite important.
anyway,
I do agree that this last post was important, because we left off there – it gave me some food for thought as well.
you asked what is IT?
It could be so many things. But overall, I have thought that – IT means suffering.
See, a lot of the stuff that my mother would say would not be a perfect translation into English. But I will try my best. The overall theme was that my mother suffered a terrible life, moving to the United States and suffering one wrong doing after another. As a result she now deserves to relax and enjoy her life. She deserves a life without suffering now. If a family member such as her daughter brings upon suffering to her – by means of: Her own troubles, whether that be the troubles of a child, or otherwise. This is now added suffering to a woman who does not deserve suffering. She does not want to be involved in the ups and downs of other people because she has had to deal with her own, why should she. How dare anyone bring her down to levels in which she must suffer again. Donât they realize what she went through, donât they realize that she needs a much needed respite?
So in the context of that medical school conversation that we always go back to you, on the phone her conversation would go something like, donât bother me with this stuff anymore, Iâve been dealing with issues from you with my whole life.
If you asked me what this meant a month ago it would be different than what I think now. So I am first going to explain to you what I felt at baseline. And then go on to explain my interpretation. You of course can add anything you want there.
So at face value at that age, without the understanding I have now, I took this to mean the following: my mother is tired and burnt out. She has had a lifetime of suffering behind her, the last thing she needs is a burden some daughter, a daughter who canât figure out her own emotions. This is not her burden. By being emotionally volatile or unstable at this moment I am burdening her up. How could someone like her take more anguish? Gosh why do I feel this way? I wish I could better deal with this. I went to my parents because I didnât know what else to do but it just caused them more harm.
And now:
Sure, at that age I did not have appropriate coping mechanisms. I was emotionally volatile. Perhaps emotionally up-and-down. But why? Not because of my own wrongdoing and faults, I was not raised in a very emotionally healthy environment, much of my trauma from my childhood was being manifested with my dating patterns, self sabotage ups and downs, self-doubt, not understanding what I needed and what was healthy for myself, trying to appease my mother but not really understanding what would make me happy. Zero realization of this. So here I am burnt out and strong out, and acting out in a way, very well learned from my mother. Unable to cope with my emotions as an adult, let me project them out to someone else. in a way- I did this, I didnât project them out onto my mother in the same way, but I had a cry for help. Help me help me I am an adult I am sinking but I donât know what to do help bring me up to shore. Sound familiar? Of course. Of course a child no matter what age learns patterns from their mother, especially a mother as overbearing, intrusive, and over arching as mine. The mother voice. The mother OMNIPRESENCE. Â So based on our exercise I see that I as a struggling young adult here unable to understand my emotions well, go to an adult mentor, and mother for some support. However this mentor supporting figure is way beyond her self. Almost like an alcoholic son going to alcoholic dad for help, who has not yet developed coping mechanisms. But yet the dad yells at the younger son and says whatâs wrong with you why do you keep drinking so much. Yet the father has not developed any way to stop drinking, and continues to become worse and worse in his own patterns, no awareness, no coping, and maybe develop self hatred.
It is easy to project out- it is easy to say why do you act like this where did you learn that from. It is easy to say I canât deal with your problems Iâve had enough of my own.
Its not what an appropriate parent does. In fact, letâs say my mom did raise me appropriately, I probably wouldnât have been there sitting there at 25 unable to climb out of my emotions. My emotional instability is stemmed from a lot of trauma of course. But regardless, IT is her inability to deal with issues/suffering. As if the World has given her enough burden, she does not need anymore.
Cali ChicaParticipantdear anita,
I am not sure how to approach this, but I will try my best to approach it as my 20s in medical school, real time when that happened:
my mom gets mad at me because she doesn’t want to see me like that. i dont know whats wrong with me i always get like this. i cant help it. i have problems maybe depression. my mom is so sick of it because she has been through so much in her OWN life, she cant handle doing it again with me.
Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
adolescent CC:
it is always fun to be friends, my mom is such a fun person, and so am I. I have an easy time making friends and we have such a good time together. life is better when shared with others.
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