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Brav3Participant
Dear Anita,
Not much of a name ‘Brave’ if I am not that brave.
Yeah, I would like to the exercise.
Alison, I want you to know that it is not okay for you to say that you are going out with your girlfriends and then looking for guys to buy you drink or flirt with. People in committed relationship don’t do that. It is not about ‘ letting be free in loving rleationship’ but respect for your loving partner.
Alison, it is not okay for you to act flirtatious with every good looking, funny guy you met. Its not me being jealous, your whole body language tells it very clearly. It is disrespectful and demeaning to the love that I have for you.
Alison, its not okay for you to say to ‘ I will do it for you cuz I love you’. It feels like you loving me is a favour rather than expression of your feelings.
Alison, its not okay to go out to tacky parties with your friends such as Halloween whores etc. and saying I am being insecure.
Alison, its not okay for you to lie to me or hide things from me and when I asked say to me that I am being clingy and jealous boyfriend.
Alison, its discourteous and disrespectful to invite guys over and have drinks with them in my house and not bothered to say a word to me. Instead, blaming me for having my poor judgement about your integrity.
Alison, its not okay for your friend to cheat with someone and giving so much pain to her husband and you agreeing that its okay to cheat.
Alison, you value holidays and staying in luxury hotels, you value good time and drugs. You don’t value just being with someone and love. You don’t value me. You said you were different but you exactly what I thought you would be.
You hurt me very badly and I let you do it to me again and again. I won’t forgive you for this
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
One of many emotions that I am going through is shame. Shame of not standing up for myself, for betraying myself and for sacrificing my judgement to value my admiration for my ex. I inflicted wounds on my self esteem for not being assertive for myself and my well being Or the best way to put it is I let her manipulate me.
I understand what you are saying that she had 50% responsibility. But I cannot deny the fact that I avoided confrontation with her because I thought she was just perfect for me. By not accepting my responsibility and not walking away, I stayed and endured. And then cried and begged for her to not leave me, lowest point of my life.
When I look back on it, it gives me the feeling of being weak and pathetic.
Sometimes, like this morning, I get dreams of her, where she is standing with no empathy and saying to me that she is leaving me
and I am begging for her to give me another chance. Again, pathetic and so disempowering.That’s why I am struggling to forgive myself.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantAnita
I am not denying that I brought this upon myself by not taking the self responsibility. I have been reflecting upon this and yes there were times where I should have said something but I didn’t. I should have put more effort in understanding people rather than jumping in.
I want to forgive myself for this which I am struggling with as well.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, and that’s what I thought of her or led to believe, a woman with integrity, honest and committed person before I signed up for the relationship. Then she slowly shifted to something else, very subtle. And I didn’t notice or I did but chose to ignore because I was in….love. Sometimes I feel I brought this all upon myself. Maybe I don’t understand people ( women in particular) very well. And if I don’t, how would I know that next time I won’t be wrong again?
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
There are soooooo many triggers around me. From my workplace to the shopping centres, vegetable market, coffee shops etc. I am struggling with all of them. Sometimes I am not able to do RAIN at all. I get so overwhelmed by emotions/feelings and the aversion mechanism kicks in.
I have always consider myself as a good person who believed in doing the right thing and now I wonder what I did so wrong to deserve this. In my previous breakups, I was okay but not as bad as this. It really hurts and made me question about my believes about loving relationship and integrity of people.
If the whole world is filled with such people who are unfair and have poor integrity, if relationships is all about chasing that initial sparks, if people have no guilt or conscience after behaving poorly then why should I stay the same? I am the one who’s suffering, who couldn’t go to work for weeks, who is seeing counselor, who is whining about life on this forum whereas she is just plain simply cruising. My emotional investment and authenticity to that failed relationship is somewhat the cause of suffering.
I am finding my values to be incompatible with this world. They make me vulnerable, they will make me hurt again and again.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantAzaleaErie
Thanks for the encouraging word. It must be rough for you as well.
My ex used to say to me that I am being insecure and then she would flirt with other guys with every opportunity she got. I valued her opinion and started questioning myself. I never was jealous and insecure person in my previous relationship ever and she convinced me that I was being insecure. Again, some people really have that ability. I saw the red flags and still believed her, fought myself for weeks, thought there was something wrong with me.
Its amazing how one get blinded with love. I do not think it is really that valuable anymore. After reading people’s stories here, I do not think relationships are important anymore.
If people are ready to walk away from their relationship and I am talking about 20 yrs of marriage and all etc etc to chase that spark or temptation, then its not smart to be like me and believe in love and commitment.
I think I am done with the whole relationship thing. Now, I wonder if some new person comes in my life and says to me that they love me and want to be with me, what will I believe?
Brav3ParticipantAnita
Tara Brach explains this in her book True Refuge.
R – Recognize your feelings/ emotins
A- Allow them to be, don’t resist.
I – Investigate with kindness’ in your body.
N – Non identification with thoughts.I am doing few sports at the moment so yoga will be hard to fit in.
What meant by emotional charged situation was, when my ex and I bump into each other. It just doesn’t feel good. Uneasiness, grief etc starts to kick in. Its like I feel I have been betrayed and there’s not a thing in this world I can do about it.
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita
That’s a great way to look at forgiveness. I can make room for forgiveness only once the anger is settled. I think my anger will stay for a while…
I have been reading Tara Brach’s book on RAIN technique. Very similar to what you described about feeling sensations in my body. The problem is sometimes I try hard and still not able to find any feelings in the body. Sometimes, its too hard to follow RAIN because of emotional charge ( She is laughing and happy at work as if I had no value in her life). Although, What I don’t do anymore now is stop my tears. I let it be and say sometimes I accept. Its a work in progress.
My whole life was about striving for success, to get results. However, now I realised that the results aren’t in my hand. There are things that I can’t do anything about. I am just learning to accept and letting it go now. Again, easier said than done.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantAnita
I have been reading about Buddha and started practicing meditation. It is the only the thing that helped me since break up. I am also working on learning to live with difficult emotions, especially anger, grief and loneliness.
I have been saying to myself now that this was meant to happen to awake me up from the dream world. The pain persists and sometimes the rollercoaster of emotions take me for ride. But I am starting to accept it now.
However, forgiveness is really difficult. I know its important but I think I am not ready for it yet.
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
I had the worst 6 weeks of my life. I am definitely not thinking to get back into relationship again.
Although, if I ever did, I will certainly not ignore the facts and red flags. I will not let my feeling delude my gut feelings and my rational thinking.
I let this happen to me by not taking the self responsibility and walking away. There are things I should have said and I didn’t. I was led to believe something that wasn’t true and I took the bait. For weeks I couldn’t understand how can I person change overnight and fully switch off towards you after living 2.5 years under same roof and sharing same bed. She didn’t shed a single tear or displayed any sign off grief of losing something significant, whereas I cried my life out there.
After talking to my counselor, I realized she manipulated me for a long time. There is term they use for that as well. Intermittent reinforcement. I cared for her and she walked all over me.
Brav3ParticipantDear AzaleaErie.
Thanks for sharing your ideas. You said “Lately I have been reflecting on the concept of loving someone and letting them be free, which is hard for me to do”. My ex manipulated me by using this, let them be free. She used to say things like this and then do things like flirting with other guys etc. when she was meant to be in a committed relationship. She took advantage of my vulnerabilities and distorted my perception about this world in terms of right and wrong. It was a miserable time.
And now, she is gone but she hasn’t gone fully. She works at the same place I do. Sometimes I see her laughing and happy as if nothing has happened. As if I had no value in her life. This is the woman I once wanted to marry and have kids.
The most bothering part is I am the one who gave everything to relationship, I am the one who was genuine in love and I am the one who is suffering now, going to counselor, feeling grief, loss and many other things. Whereas, she is cruising with her life.
Nobody deserves this. It is unfair and perhaps there is no god or universe.
Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for the answer. I did ask those question and somehow, I did ignore some of the facts in front of me at that time. Why did I ignore? Because I was led to believe that she was, what I had been looking for. Let’s just say Manipulation at its best.
However, it was also my self responsibility to see the facts that I didn’t. And here I am grieving about something that was partly due to my fault.
Anyway, my thinking about ‘relationship after the spark’ is companionship. However, I see people giving up their marriages and years old relationship to chase the spark. Since I know I am not that type of person who chases spark, should I just not bothered to be in relationship ever again? Apparently, that what rest of the world is doing.
Cheers
Brav3Brav3ParticipantHi FrecklyELLa,
Hang in there bud. I know its hard.
To be honest I don’t think I will come out unscathed from this experience.
Good luck to you to
Brav3ParticipantHere are some questions for you , answer only if you’d like to.
1. When you say you feel like you and your wife are like roommates, is it because you lost that spark that you had earlier with her or is it because she is acting different now?
2. You fallen for a co worker when your relationship with your wife is in turnmoil, is it coincidence ?
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