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Hello TriangleSun,
You have given me an insight to so many wonderful things here. I agree that most people don’t work on relationships anymore. I think most relationships are salvageable and it’s a choice whether or not you want to try. Sometimes we just can’t love the other person anymore, or you drift apart, but that is different from neglecting the relationship. In marriages, I’ve read that most couples have trouble after their children are born (probably because of responsibilities and lack of nurturing of relationship) or when they’ve been married for a long time. I too am surprised to learn about how many people are looking for “the one.” It’s probably because we learn from an early age that our “prince charming” exists. Lots of children’s movies and books have this idea especially in Disney where we’re told we’re princesses and we will find a prince who will take away all our problems – NOT. Ah, the good old love this person, but not in love with them. For me, it just means that the initial chemistry is gone from the relationship whether that’s sexual or the relationship has just become routine. The grass is greener on the other side. LOL. Why do you think people think this? Are they unaware or the “other side” or is their side just not cutting it anymore?
Oh wow, that is a very interesting concept. I have to agree with you, however I think that sometimes we need to feel out other relationships to see what we like and what is good for us. Hmm, maybe that just makes your point even more valid? We may think that leaving the relationship to find something that we like better would be sought after e.g. “the one”. I don’t like to date, but it’s so difficult to really get to know someone without it. So far, i’ve jumped into relationships head first and they have all failed, but I am still young (early 20s).
One of those friends had once told me “Any two people can make a marriage work. It all depends on how much they both want it.” – THIS! I think people just stop wanting the relationship if it doesn’t give them chemical stimulation or whatever it is that they want/ think they want. Yes for the emotional baggage. I have learned, but I think i’m finally dealing with this relationship loss and past relationships. Of course, I have lots of fear built up, but that’s the next thing I will work on. I think our parents/ grandparents were good at it because they married young and didn’t have the option of divorce such as the financial means, societal support, etc. Today, most of your friends would actually encourage divorce contrary to what some people think. I think culture plays a large role in that. Women also have more access to education and money, which makes it easier for us to fight for our needs. Love the ideas, keep them coming and thanks for responding with so much detail. My goal is to learn the basics of a good relationship as I never had a solid foundation, but we live and we learn.
AnnieParticipantHi TriangleSun, I think we’re both still immature too. Yeah, I hear you about the mental torture. I try not to think of the time when I hear about him dating someone else. Thanks for your advice. I’m starting to look down on relationships as a whole. I have seen good parts of a relationship as well as the bad. The good parts are okay/nice, but the bad part eventually comes because we’re all human.
AnnieParticipantHey Inky, thanks so much for responding. You are correct that abuse is much worse. I was very much a doormat for the majority of the relationship. I think I felt bad up until I spoke to him and realized he is very selfish. For a very long time I was understanding and initiating all conversations asking how things we going, but he doesn’t seem to care. I saw that there was a huge difference between the way that we spoke. He is not compassionate and I don’t want someone like that. While I kept his feelings in consideration, he says whatever he wants and wants things done on his terms i.e. we can only be friends if you accept that we’ll never be together again. I thought that was kind of mean, even though I am aware that there has been a lot of damage and I don’t imagine myself going back even if I still want him. I realized he was still treating me like a doormat. I think it’s time for me to be selfish and ask myself why I allowed myself to be treated that way. I told him not to write to me for a while and felt very good about it. I want to begin moving on completely, just have to get over seeing him at work.
- This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by Annie.
AnnieParticipantThank you Inky, I will try to remember that. I think you are right that I will stay away from him. I don’t know if I can even be there in that room with him. Do you mind responding to my new question? It would mean a lot to me, thank you.
AnnieParticipant—- I also want to add that I tried becoming friends with him after we broke up. I told him to let me know if he felt uncomfortable and wanted more space, but he would’t say anything to that. I feel badly. Did I do something wrong in trying to communicate with him?
AnnieParticipantHello David,
It could be that she is just stringing you a long. When someone likes you they will do anything to spend time with you. It could also be that she enjoyed the playfulness in the moment, but then realized that’s not what she wanted to act on. A really good top on understanding someone is to look at their actions rather than their words. It’s so easy to spit out words – practically free. However, spending time with someone requires more effort. For the male, he usually pays or does the initiating and sets time aside. For the female, she has to follow through, get ready and spend time. When you like someone you will automatically jump at the idea of spending time with them because it is most likely an enjoyable experience. It could also be that something else is going on in her life. However, because you have already asked to hang out on multiple occasions and she has ignored it – just stop. I suggest to Let things be how they are and don’t ask again unless she gives a valid reason for avoiding the question. I think a mature and serious individual who does not play games will be forwards in accepting or declining an invitation. To be honest people lead others on for their own thrill. Just leg things be and she if she asks you out or brings it up. Either give it sometime to see if things change or just ask her why she avoids the question and whether she is interested. That way you can get on with your life rather than play detective. When somebody isn’t playing games you won’t have to play detective or figure them out, they will be clear with their intentions. Best of luck to you.
Annie
AnnieParticipantCan someone have this post deleted as there is an updated one with more information? thanks
AnnieParticipantHello Anita,
How can I find my real fears? I tell myself that I will find someone else and I really do believe it. Maybe I believe I have to look a certain way for people to like me?
AnnieParticipantHello Anita,
I guess my question is..how can I treat my body better? I can’t seem to quit the weight loss pills because I’m afraid i’ll gain weight and i’m too physically tired to exercise. How do I stop putting so much emphasis on my physical appearence?
AnnieParticipantHello HaveLipsWillSmile,
I think you are doing a wonderful thing asking what you can do to support your partner. It seems as if you deeply care about him. Have you expressed these feelings to him? Usually, in these situations when a person is insecure,jealous, and self-critical they have been hurt a lot in the past. Maybe they had abusive parents or siblings or another figure in his life.
Personally, I don’t think you should jump around the topic and try to cover it up. What i’ve learned is that covering up the real issue can lead to miscommunication and even greater issues. For example, you try to tell him you weren’t being condescending and he feels like he’s the one who can’t do anything right. He may feel victimized or even attacked. If you care about someone and are willing to work on the relationship, then you have to give them constructive criticism. Instead of getting worked up time and time again and eventually becoming tired, you should let him know the truth. Tell him how you feel you are afraid of the way he will react when you speak and that you feel he is acting insecurely. It seems as if you’ve done your fair share of work to not let negative comments get to you, maybe you can share your experience. Usually, when people behave insecurely, out of jealously, or are overly self-critical they aren’t even aware that they are doing it. Their entire livelihood is spent being the helpless victim so how could they see a difference in what they’re doing? Ask your partner what it is that you can do to help him feel more supported, secure, and appreciated? What do you think?
On the opposite side, try not to make it your goal to “fix him” or get rid of his moodiness. Bring up the issue and there is work that he has to do on his own. What is this “knowledge” you wish to teach him?
Annie
AnnieParticipantHello again lifejourney,
I’m glad you have come to the realization that you have done as much as you can to support the relationship. Sometimes we feel like there’s one more thing we should try before moving on, but deep down we know that nothing will change and that we are just hanging on to hope. There’s a great article on tinybuddha about losing hope. Here is the article: http://dev.tinybuddha.com/blog/how-losing-all-hope-can-be-freedom/
Feel free to return if your “calmness” or “patience” is endangered again and you need outside support. Good luck.
AnnieParticipantHello ajlewis,
I can relate to the sense of hopelessness that you may be feeling. If i’m not mistaken, you are saying that you’ve done everything correct in terms of remaining authentic, well polished, and open minded and yet nobody wants to be with you. Instead of asking what you have to offer, have you ever thought what others may be able to offer as a change? I’m sure you have a lot of wonderful things to offer, but different people have different needs. By “offer,” I don’t necessarily mean material things, but rather emotional support, respect, kindness, loyalty, and love. You say that nobody has an answer, but what is the real meaning of your question? Are you asking why you can’t find a partner because you have done X and Y? or are you saying I’ve done X and Y, so why doesn’t anyone want to be with me? or Are my X and Y good enough for anyone to want?
You feel like you’re stuck with a disease that you can’t get rid of and nobody seems to understand. You’re being over looked and passed by. It must be so difficult to live with these thoughts. I agree, being on the outside looking in we think that others have it easier than us or they easily get whatever they want. Although this is true for some people, most people are dealing with problems of their own whether that’s financial, family related, work related, etc..etc. Besides, one of the most valuable lessons in life for me has been to not compare myself to others. If we compare ourselves to others, we will always be disappointed and continue our negative thinking patterns. To compare Taylor Swift to a cashier is wrong. Taylor Swift may have worked really hard to get where she is, but she still had some luck and support from others. Whereas a cashier may not have has the same opportunities present that we present to Taylor Swift. For example, I can be sad that i’m not a model, but in all honesty being a model is out of my control because I would have to be born with a slim figure, beautiful hair, eyes, and alluring features. I would have to be discovered, otherwise I would have to be photogenic and go from shoot to shoot to make money. That being said, sometimes people like Taylor Swift and Oprah just get lucky, but if there were so many of us like them then they wouldn’t be “different” anymore. We are all unique and have different experiences, therefore we get to different places in our lives at different times.
You said “you’ve done everything right, followed all the “rules”, did everything you’re suppose to do, kept your act clean, kept your conscience clear and ended up with NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.” Sorry to say, but there are NO rules for life. There is no right way to do it, no way to be perfect because life doesn’t come with a manual. The types of “right things” to do are merely set by society and vary from place to place. Trying to improve things over and over and over again is exhausting. Especially when you feel like you aren’t making any progress. Can I ask what you are trying to improve?
It must be so difficult to deal with life when we think it should be a certain way but isn’t going the way we think it should be going. I’m sure you’ve figured out that we can’t control the world around us. People, places, life, and everything else in the world is changing. Nothing is ever the same from one moment to another. What we can do is learn how to deal with the world when it’s changing on the outside. To have expectations is good, but we should learn not to get defeated when they are not met. Try to spend some time alone and figure out what the good things are about yourself. We may think others have it better than we do, but we can’t see their struggles. What do you think?
Annie
AnnieParticipantHello again b192,
If someone hurts themselves then it isn’t your fault. He may be afraid of being alone, genuinely care about you, or just be dealing with depression. None of those are your fault. I love what others have said here. How you go about the break up makes a huge difference. Sit down and be assertive and let him know how you feel. You mentioned some things such as not feeling in love, wanting to discover new things, feelings of unhappiness..etc. People always think the duper is a terrible person, but that’s not always true as it seems you care about him deeply. Don’t leave any sense of doubt that you will not follow through with the break up. If you really think he will commit suicide, then can you talk to a member of his family who you are close to? Let them know that you are genuinely worried about them. I’m not sure what your relationship with them is like and if you can trust them. If that is out of the question, then get in touch with emergency personnel such as EMS or police. First, figure out what you want. This figuring out has to do more than the break up. Think about whether the relationship is still serving your needs, is it making you happy, do you see yourself together in the future, is there respect and kindness, and is there rapport? He says he will change, but it seems as if you have already given him a chance to change (6 years is a long time). To some degree all relationships need compromise, however you should never compromise your happiness or respect for another person.
You are still young and so am I. I’ve been on both ends of the table as the dumper or dumpee, so I know how difficult both of them can be. I believe there are other people who may be better suited for you and for him. Just because we leave a relationship does not mean we have failed the other person or that we HAVE to make it work. Because you haven’t been in many other relationships, you should know that the first break up is always difficult. When someone breaks up with you it’s even worse. He may beg or plead for you to take him back. However, human beings are very resilient and we can deal with most things. Time will make everything less painful. Hopefully you can rediscover yourself and find things that make you feel happy. Everyone comes into our life to teach us a lesson. We aren’t meant to be with every single partner we have. It takes a while and learning before we can get into a relationship that truly makes us happy in giving and receiving. Don’t be afraid, but act out of friendly love for the other person. Be kind, but assertive and leave right after. If someone really loves you then they will want whatever will make you happy. If leaving is what you need to rediscover yourself and be happy, then that is what must be done. Not everyone will always understand, but that’s life. Maybe after your trip when everything has settled down and when all of the feelings are gone you guys can become friends. Good luck.
AnnieParticipantHello b192,
You said were 15 when you began dating. Of course, we change so much through our teen years and even as young adults. We change throughout our entire lives, but our “young adult” years are where most of the change occurs because of college, education, family, level of thinking, environment, etc..etc. I do not believe there is “the one,” but we certainly have a choice in who we want as our partner. You said you feel empty, lost, and numb and lack purpose. This may have to do more than your relationship (your relationship is just a part of it). It seems as if you need to re-discover yourself.
To threaten suicide is abusive behavior. It’s controlling and manipulative to keep someone from leaving. You mentioned wanting a break because you have been together for so long, so, that may be a short term solution to figure out what you really want. It also seems as if you have lost yourself in the relationship because you don’t have any friends of your own. Staying in a relationship because you’re afraid to leave is worse than leaving. It’s also unfair to your boyfriend because he can go on and meet someone else who is a better match for him. Some relationships end abruptly and others drift apart over time. What do you think?
Annie
AnnieParticipantHello lifejourney,
You seem like a very kind and caring person. It really seems like you’ve done the best you can to try to make her happy. The fact that you even asked what you could do to make her feel more secure and happy shows that you are mature and deeply care about her. It seems as if she hasn’t been able to separate her relationships from the past. The fact that she thinks you may cheat on her as well. She is only 23 and may not be ready for an adult relationship. Since you have been together for 2 years, she must have been 21 or 22 when you guys met.
The relationships seems very co-dependent and it seems as if neither of you can properly move on from each other. You have reassured her on and on again and even let go of the fact that she has looked through your personal messages. To ask why your child’s mother is in a photo is absurd. You two obviously have a child together and she doesn’t seem to understand that connection. Because you have children with another woman, your partner will have to accept that she will be in your life to some degree. You said, “she is being tough outside and stubborn but i know she misses me.” She has clearly told you that she can not go back. However, I can see why you would be confused. One minute she wants to be with you and the next she wants to leave you. To block someone only to unblock them and block them again seems very immature. Your children may be confused and even harmed because of this relationship if they form some type of bond with her.
She still has a lot of growing up to do. The longer you stay in her life, the more control she will have over you. She will continue to behave this way as long as you allow her to. For the sake of your children, leave this girl. I know it’s difficult to move on because you feel like you’ve invested a lot into your relationship. This relationship is not making you happy and she is confused or intentionally manipulating you to keep control. Stop responding to her and cut all ties. Do things that make you happy. I promise there are other people in the world who may be better suited for you.
Annie
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