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July 21, 2015 at 11:07 am #80177HappizerParticipant
Having grown up in an abusive family… much distance, time and self-reflection (and love from a very pure, loving husband) has allowed me to heal and start to become a happy-hearted individual at the age of 27.
In my seeking of happiness in life – with every aspect – I made a whole-hearted effort to forgive my abusive, older sister. It started with phone calls and texts, to partial planning her “perfect 30th birthday”. Before visiting her in person (after years of not seeing her), the texts and phone calls that made it seem like she had changed, were overwritten by her extreme abusive behavior toward me. Everything I did was wrong. And I got yelled at, as did others at her party.
I do forgive her, as I realize she probably couldn’t help becoming who she has become.
However, besides what seemed like PTSD that I experienced (extreme anxiety and feelings of utter self-worthlessness all like my entire first 20 years of life, which I have not experienced for many, many years), I am so happy that she did not emotionally affect me the way she did for so long. I was able to know that what she was doing was wrong, and I did everything I could to just be a loving sister.
With this and self-reflection, I am growing more happy and confident with the idea of having her completely out of my life. I think it is okay to accept that she is a very toxic person, it is not my job to fix her, and having her in my life is a very negative influence.
Thank you for your time in reading this. I was hoping to reach out for any suggestions on the best way to end the relationship. Just be vague and avoid? I don’t like this. My gut wants me to write her a letter and be clear that I forgive her, but that I cannot be a part of her life.
July 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm #80179SaiishaParticipantMy heart goes out to you for being brought up in an abusive family! But there’s something in us that prompts us to be kind, even in difficult situations. However, if the other person doesn’t recognize your kindness, then is there any good in showing them kindness and forgiveness? Yes, there is – because it makes an impact on you! If you can continue to be kind without looking for an acknowledgment / approval / validation from the other person, then you’re making yourself free of the situations and people around you!
Here’s a good book that can help you clarify within yourself what you want out of this situation, and if cutting off ties is what you want to do, there are some powerful exercises to (virtually) cut off those ties. “Cutting the Ties that Bind”, by Phyllis Krystal. You should be able to find it on Amazon.
Much luck in your spiritual journey! Do let me know how you make out with the book and the exercises ๐
Namaste, SaiishaJuly 21, 2015 at 12:37 pm #80182AnonymousGuestDear Happizer:
You asked for suggestion on how to end your relationship with your sister. First congratulations for having arrived at what appears to me the right/ healthy decision for you. (Saiisha above wrote: “if cutting off ties is what you want to do”- this annoys me, Saiisha, because it makes me wonder if you did not read in Happizer’s post that she is not asking IF she should cut her sister off her life, but HOW- and it makes me wonder, Saiisha, if you are suggesting by your wording that Happizer should re-consider?)
You wrote: “My gut wants me to write her a letter and be clear that I forgive her, but that I cannot be a part of her life.” Your sister thinks, as I understand that YOU are the wrong doer, so you should ask for her forgiveness, according to her, isn’t it so? In her world then, when you tell her that you forgive her… what does it mean to her? Is it that you think that she knows that she had hurt you?
I have learned from cutting off all contact with my own mother and wanting along the way, again and again to write another letter to her… rehearsing endless communications with her… I learned that all that thinking on my part were based on my still existing desire to positively connect with my mother, to make her understand that she hurt me so very much. I kept wanting her to SEE me, to love me.
Now, in my healing journey, two years after ending contact, I realize that there is a GAP as long and as far as teh universe between me and my mother, and it doesn’t matter what I do, what I ever wrote to her…. nothing could make her see me and love me. The attachment and longing to her have been very intense even when I didn’t realize it was so. The urge to reach out to her still has been intense. Even as I was cutting contact, way after I cut contact… so my suggestion is- just stop all communication with no efforts to communicate with her anything at all, and not only with her- but as you cut contact with her, my suggestion is not to communicate about her and your decision with any family member. Need not defend your position, ask for forgiveness or gi8ve forgiveness. Just make it END.
You see, my mother did not SEE my love for her in my face when I was a little girl, looking up to her, dependent on her, being 100% committed to love and be loved by her- she didn’t see my love for her then when I was five. She wouldn’t see my love for her now as I am 54. I believed I could MAKE her love me= I believed she can love me. She can not or will not. End of story. Finally.
anita
July 22, 2015 at 5:13 am #80217SaiishaParticipantDear Anita – I don’t mind that something annoys you – they’re your thoughts, your reactions, you’re welcome to be annoyed ๐
I did read Happizer’s note and provided guidance according to my thoughts and reactions. Most, if not all, of our earthly connections are pacts or agreements made by our souls prior to taking on our births; especially our close blood relationships – to learn lessons, grow and evolve from these kinds of situations. Once we learn these lessons, the toxic energy dissolves on its own. If we try to cut off relationships too soon without doing the inner work first, the toxic energy continues to haunt us. That’s why I advised Happizer to make that decision with caution; and also provided recommendation on how to cut these ties that bind with the right intention.
Just my two cents.
Namaste!July 22, 2015 at 9:21 am #80236AnonymousGuestDear Saiisha:
Thank you for your response to me- I greatly appreciate it. I did feel annoyed when I wrote the comment to you yesterday. I wanted to cut off contact with my mother for decades before I finally did and was angry at anyone who suggested I should not “because she is your MOTHER.” and so forth. Hency that anger was triggered. As I read your note, it gives me your point of view, your perspective. It gives me information on where you are coming from. You did not state that you think a daughter is wrong or bad for cutting contact with her mother (the message I heard) but that you believe that there is past life information, that is that I lived before I was born THIS TIME, in another body, another place, another life and that my relationship with my mother carries information, a lesson to be learned about that past life, a lesson that can help me in my next life. Is it what you meant? Did I understand you correctly?
And thank you for welcoming me being annoyed- ah, to be accepted when annoyed and angry (while not abusive)- what a gift, what a relief.
anita
July 22, 2015 at 10:35 am #80244HappizerParticipantDearest Salisha and Anita,
I am really grateful and excited for your replies. Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out.
Both of your advice(s) were very good. As far as the two different types of advice – what I think happened is this:
~Salisha: you wrote such sweet, pure advice based on the little information I gave you.I will definitely look into the book you mentioned. I have a strong feeling that you are at a more firm part of happiness in your life, it seems to resonate from your insightful words. I’m proud of you for that.
~Anita: even without much information, somehow you were able to know my sister quite well. You made inferences that were quite spot on…”Your sister thinks, as I understand that YOU are the wrong doer, so you should ask for her forgiveness, according to her, isnโt it so?”. I also think that the feeling of annoyance comes because after years and years of abuse and feeling of wrongdoing, it is difficult to recover. Sometimes it takes putting on blinders to whatever people have to say in order for you to convince yourself that you deserve happiness in life. Just that. Happiness. Even slight nuances that bring you back to the thought of having to return to a very hard part of your life – that, at the time – you didn’t realize was so hard, is terrifying. And the defenses come up. Perhaps this may be the case?Of course, I could be totally wrong. All that matters is that you are good people, reaching out to help.
Salisha, I think what I need to clarify is that I have spent 7 years trying to recover from my families’ abuse. I think it was only in the last half of that (or less), that I started to realize more and more that my sister was the worse of it for me. Sexually, emotionally, and physically abusive. I was her lackey. Even the weekly rage we all got from my father does not outdo the way she treated me.
Before her 30th birthday, I made it very clear to her that I spent years – after every hurt she did, laying bricks onto a wall. The bigger the hurt, the larger the wall became, such that the last few years I barely spoke to her. I explained that I apologize for the distance, and I am breaking down the walls. I realize she could not help who she had been to me, and I only hoped she could change. She didn’t ever remember being mean to me and required specific instances. The 30th birthday was a miserable experience. What is sad to me is that she has a fiance now, who she told everyone she wanted him to “be a wife to her” that she treats so poorly. Just like she treated me. It is oddly reflective of how my father treated my mother.
A lot of my wanting to include her in my happy-seeking life, like Anita suggests, is based on societal suggestions along the lines of “you can’t choose your family members”. So maybe if I couldn’t, I would try to include them on a loving journey.
But I think a better quote I read on tiny buddha, is this, “Friends are the family we choose for ourselves.โ ~Edna Buchanan.
I am not sure if either of you have read or had experience with narcissistic abuse, but I am very fortunate my abused mother (of my father) discovered that he was an extreme narcissist. Education helps heal for me. He too, I forgive. He could not help becoming this way. My brother and I, I think, were the scapegoat children of my father. Only recently, I’ve had a “holy smokes” realization that I was also the “child to a narcissistic mother” — my sister. She used to tell me “mom was always too out of it to raise you, so I really did”. She didn’t. And my mother is a beautiful person. She follows good in her life. Unfortunately, although she is very aware of the abuse, for some reason, she will not allow herself to cut it off. She thinks she can fix it. Her hands bleed with anxiety.
Anita, I really like your suggestion of no communication. What do you think – with the letter, I was just trying to give her the perfect reason, the most understanding reason for an out. But let’s face it, nothing will be perfect. Even the letter, I imagine, will not resonate with her.
You are also absolutely right about not wanting her in my life at all – not even hearing about her. Unfortunately, my mom has builded/fed her my whole life through comparisons with me…”her waist is just so skinny, boobs so big…” etc. My mom wants her daughters to get along so she has always encouraged me to forgive my sister. I did talk with my mom about not wanting her in my life, and explained all my reasons, and she just loved back and completely understood. She didn’t realize a lot going on, but we cannot live in the past. The fact that she understands and wants me to be happy is a beautiful thing.
Anyway, I could go on and on. For now, I am so happy for you Anita for cutting your mother off. My mom, too, had an abusive upbringing and it has taken until the age of 60 to start to realize how hard it was. She finally put pictures of her parents in the drawer.
Thank you both, lead your lives with love, be good people.
~Happizer
July 22, 2015 at 2:31 pm #80262AnonymousGuestDear Happizer:
You wrote to me: “Even slight nuances that bring you back to the thought of having to return to a very hard part of your life… is terrifying. And the defenses come up. Perhaps this may be the case?” Yes, this as you stated here is indeed the case. Thank you for your insight. It is very much so. It is the threat that part of me is feeling, the threat of going back because someone, anyone has just (maybe) suggested I am a “bad girl” for… abandoning my own poor mother…
You wrote: “A lot of my wanting to include her in my happy-seeking life, like Anita suggests, is based on societal suggestions along the lines of ‘you canโt choose your family members’. I too suffered a LOT from the societal attitude about family and mothers, in particular. If you check history, I read that it used to be perfectly legal or at least not illegal, for parents to kill their children for whatever reason they had. No explanation needed. Society evolved some and now it is illegal to do so. But we as a society are not evolved enough because lots and lots of people, some even psychotherapists, believe that you should always remain in contact with a parent no matter what that parent did. Some will give you a pass to not have contact if they still physically abuse you, but not if they ‘only” abuse you otherwise.
Very easily people and psychotherapists will give you the advice of leaving an abusive boyfriend/ husband, even it is “only” verbal or emotional abuse. But if it is the mother who does the same abuse, or worse, the advice is: set limits, try to change your perception so it doesn’t hurt that much. Why the difference? Why not give an abused woman the advice: just set limits with your abusive boyfriend.
It is not that you or I are doing something wrong cutting contact with a mother/ sister, it is that society, a whole lot of society is wrong… a bit less … wrong maybe than allowing murder of children by parents, but still very wrong.
Regarding narcisstic abuse: my mother was a combination of what appears in the DSM of narcissitc, histrionic and borderline personality disorders, a potent combination.
You wrote: “What do you think โ with the letter, I was just trying to give her the perfect reason, the most understanding reason for an out.” I think it doesn’t matter whatsoever what is in the letter. It may be a good exercise for you writing it. But regarding anticipating her reading it and what it would mean to her- might as well give her a blank paper, a paper with a jumble of letters and words, a letter in some other language she cannot understand. It is like you trying to communicate with… a tree, writing and reading a letter to the tree. You can IMAGINE the tree is hearing you. you can even (falsely) believe the tree is hearing, understanding and even agreeing to your letter… but it would be … all in your head. How do you feel about writing a letter to a tree? Giving the letter a lot of thought, trying to be very clear and perfectly express yourself … to the tree? The tree will only take water from you, or in your sister’s case, she will only take your blood, your soul. She has no use for your letter.
l didn’t understand the part about your mother, if you are saying she is against you cutting contact with your sister?
About “you can’t choose your family members”- true, you can’t choose who you are born to but you can choose who you are in contact with and who you are not in contact with. You can choose to cut contact with any abusive person, no matter their relation to you. If it is your sister that sticks a knife into your heart, does it bleed less than if a total stranger does the same? Do you die… less when she pulls the knife out of your ruptured heart…?
anita
July 23, 2015 at 9:25 am #80308SaiishaParticipantHello Anita – how you interpreted my response is accurate in what I intended to mean. I’m happy that it makes sense to you this time around!
And Happizer – oh boy, where do I even begin? I had no idea what you meant when you mentioned “family abuse.” You are brave to be even talking about forgiveness! And yet, as always, it’s ourselves we forgive for who we were, it’s you who will benefit from forgiveness. But forgiveness doesn’t mean letting your sister walk over you. In fact, you can cut off your relationship and still forgive.
Anita is so right! Any gesture you make of making contact, writing a letter, showing understanding, sounds like a waste of time at this point. Your sister is simply not ready to receive your kindness. You don’t owe any explanations to anyone for your choices, as long as your intentions are true and authentic to your deepest soul.
You don’t have to make an “official” cut off, which would only add to the drama, but you can slowly start distancing yourself right away. Again, no need to explain anything to anyone. My advice would be to be to keep it low on the drama, so you can be gentle with yourself. Take extreme self-care of yourself first – because there’s no one else who will.
When you transform within yourself, the outer transformation will happen on its own. Maybe someday your sister will come to you on her own asking for your forgiveness ๐
July 26, 2015 at 8:12 am #80471HappizerParticipantThank you both for your insightful responses!
Salisha, I love this…”as long as your intentions are true and authentic to your deepest soul.” It nails what I have been trying to do – weed out the first, second and all the other initial reactions our bodies can move us to. The ones the can be hurtful, passive aggresive, etc.
With this, I really thing not having a relationship with my sister is the best for both of us. It is something I struggled with for years – but time I am away allows me to become a more wholesome, good person. I hope my sister can grow to love and be loved in a very pure way. It is even possible being around me may make her weaker as well.
I also liked the idea of the “no drama” cut off. That is what I am proceeding with and it seems to feel like the good thing to do.
Cheers to you both!
July 26, 2015 at 2:40 pm #80522SaiishaParticipantHappizer, good to hear you’ve figured out a way to proceed! May you walk your path with Peace, Presence and Purpose!
October 18, 2018 at 9:32 am #231675BrittanyParticipantAfter nearly three decades of emotional tormenting from my own sister, Iโm now at the point that I, too, need to sever ties. Do you have suggestions?
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