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  • #67056
    Matt
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    I see that even my summary itself was too long to read. Therefore, here is something much more brief:

    Any personal meanings we create in life are all neutral as they all come from the exact same functions of our brains that create nothing but neutral words, sounds, images, etc. For example, create any sound, letter, image, etc. in your mind that provokes no emotional response and is bland to you. Therefore, all other meanings we create in life are the same in that sense because, again, they are all the same functioning in our brains. So that makes our own created meanings all neutral as well. These created meanings are no different than the creation of neutral words, sounds, images, etc. because there is no difference between any personal meanings we create in life as opposed to neutral words, sounds, images, etc. because they are the exact same things. Our personal meanings we create in life may make us do good things in life, but they are all still neutral anyway. Only our pleasure itself that arises from any personal meanings we create in life is good (positive) and is the only thing that makes our lives good and worth living and you would be delusional to somehow think that, without your ability to experience pleasure, that your life is still somehow good and worth living.

    #67068
    Matt
    Participant

    There is just one more very important thing I would like to add in conclusion which is that even everything else in life and even your own attitude is neutral and you are free to harm and take advantage of others as long as it gives you the most pleasure in life. However, I would never harm others despite my own personal beliefs because this is not who I am at all. Also, you are not in the minds of other people anyway. So it’s only your own pleasure in life that makes your life good and worth living. Not you helping others and giving them pleasure despite your own absence of pleasure.

    #67086
    Snails
    Participant

    Dear Matt,

    I understand what you are explaining, and how you have described, how frustrating life must feel when you have depression and anhedonia.
    I can not help you overcome depression and anhedonia, and don’t know how having no pleasure must feel, over an extended period.

    When I lived in the largest city in my country I did go through a stage when I felt like a ‘zombie’, spaced out and unable to enjoy life. I had developed multi sensitivities, at it’s height even to electricity, too an extent that I had to turn off/on power switches with a wooden spoon. Today I ‘have’ too live a very quiet life, on a small farm, with little outside interacting with the world (except ‘natural’ low populated areas), my health has improved greatly over time since the move. Though I am still very restricted to where I can go and what my body will tolerate. There’s no need to go into it too much but I do actively try to ‘enjoy’ my days and try to find as much pleasure and goodness as I can. So perhaps I can talk about this?

    You talk about a comparison between feeling like a robot vs human feelings. I don’t live like a robot but sometimes I feel that I live like an animal. This is to say I try to find contentment and joy in the most simplest things (the sunshine on the feathers of a bird hovering close by, how the wings of a butterfly in flight move across my yard, such things now bring contentment because I have practiced watching for beauty and opening up to the littlest bit of pleasure I can find) so I spend a lot of time watching, observing and interacting with nature and animals and try to use all my 5 senses

    Animals find as much joy in their days as they can gather..the warm sun of there sides as they lay beneath the sky resting, the wind as they run through it, each other’s company …
    Animals know they live in a world of flesh and blood, they accept that their lives are not all about pleasure (indeed there would be no evolution if the world was only ‘pleasure’ and we’d all be the ‘slime’ that lives at the side of the pond). They accept pain, but if they are injured they take no pleasure in it and to their whole ability try their best to push past any pain and go about their day as best as they can while they regain their health.

    An exception to this is when some animals are forced to live in an unnatural environment of captivity, when they aren’t living as they want to… you might say they are given a life of ‘only pleasure’- they have as much drink and food as they wont, they never have to worry about watching out for predators, kept warm in winter etc. But many animals, especially the ones that evolved greater cognitive abilities may feel so ‘trapped and bored’ that they develop habits of thinking and acting out, that are counter productive to their health both mental and physical.

    Life is not only about pleasure it’s complex and is often messy but perhaps what I felt most in your letter is the wish that you could ‘feel pleasure’ and would like suggestions?

    I don’t know where to start but with questions…
    Did you have a ‘nice’ childhood ? or has something else along the way hurt you emotionally that you now hide your pleasure and happiness to protect yourself from disappointment and pain?
    Have you ever felt pleasure by wholesome ways ? If so perhaps open yourself up to the idea that ‘maybe I will be able to feel pleasure again’
    If you are able to feel anger and frustration ? would not the opposite emotion be somewhere deep inside you as well?
    Have you a loved one or pet? How do you feel about them?

    Perhaps try to live a life that is gentle to yourself, and all the creatures big and small
    *Have a good night sleep
    *Eat a good healthy ‘Balanced’ diet – deficiencies can impact greatly
    *And just as an animal shouldn’t be locked up all day and night indoors nor should we be. Exercise and spend time outdoors in the sunshine (try to do this everyday) Vit D and several vital hormones are regulated by it.
    * Perhaps read up on electromagnetic radiation and it’s effects on Serotonin, dopamine
    * Practice using your 5 senses when outdoors – maybe one of them is more open to feeling pleasure? People tend to not be as aware of smell unless something is very strong, I like sitting with my eyes closed and just breath it all in.
    * Explore
    *Try to have at least a few close friends that treat you with respect and are good for you – Even cows and chickens have best buddies they hang out with
    *Seek help if you have scars from the past (great that you’ve opened up here, but maybe 1:1 with someone who’s better trained then someone like me C: )

    And Matt I’ve read several of your helpful advice you’ve given others before I wrote this, and I want you to know that the ones that I read were very well written, insightful and helpful – thank you.

    Warmest wishes on your path

    #67088
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    To be honest, I only skimmed the content of this thread, but would it be safe to say that a better summary of the argument has already come from our friend William Shakespeare?

    “There is nothing either good or
    bad, but thinking makes it so.”

    – Hamlet

    🙂

    #67109
    Tir
    Participant

    Snails, that was my line of thinking also and so much better written than I could have hoped to do. Pleasure is a word of degrees and I have found that other people’s pleasure isn’t necessarily my own and people who are inundated with it do not necessarily appreciate it so it isn’t really pleasurable anymore but an expectation or entitlement. I find most pleasure in nature and basic things as you described. Thank you for sharing.

    #67130
    Snails
    Participant

    Dear Tir, Thank you for your kind words, my fellow nature lover.
    I suppose though, you can only truly call something well written if it somehow assists the individual in need – if it reaches through to them because the words offered to them ring true, as in they feel it is good advice. But just as important the person is ready to hear those words.

    When I re-read what I wrote I can see I could of written a lot of things differently, and perhaps Matt was only hoping someone simply said ‘wow you can ‘t feel anything, no pleasure?? – that must be sooo horrid’ but personally I’m more a ‘OK, I’ll put aside a bit of time and look that up and see if I we can come up with some ideas that may help’, and don’t particularly like sympathy given to myself.

    So Matt – I can truly say that having depression and anhedonia over an extended period of time must be truly horrible but there’s Heaps of information on the internet and people can and do regain their feeling again, so stick in there and gather as much information as you can ok.

    There’s blogs with other people with anhedonia talking about what helped some of them.
    google key words like
    ‘Andrenal gland exhaustion’
    ‘Dopamin, Serotonin, Anhedonia’
    and then perhaps add words like ‘herbs’ ‘diet’ to the above
    ‘serotonin, Dopamine, electromagnetic radiation’

    Some people said having licorice root extract helped tremendiously (google ‘licorice root extract adrenal fatigue’, ‘licorice root extract anhedonia’) I didn’t know this one when I had my ‘brain fog / zombie’ stage but funny enough, I did have massive licorice cravings (the natural kind found in health shops) as I did feel slightly better even at those low ‘lolly’ doses. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, too much sugar etc etc I’ll stop now <:

    Anyway I still stand by my previous suggestions – when your body obviously isn’t functioning well it’s always good to try to be kind to yourself and live more like animals and humans were designed to do. And no, you don’t ‘need’ to go out and watch butterflies and birds flying if you don’t want too xD – that was my was of saying our brains are wonderful things that you can train in thoughts. But try to do things that seem to calm your mind. Minimize stressful things, get outdoors! and also know that a lot of people experience anhedonia at one stage of their lives.

    Be strong, best wishes

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