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  • #414719
    Anonymous
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    Hi Lorn

    Hang tight! I know the perfect person to ask for advice about this. They’ve overcome their issues with desires. I’m sure they’ll be able to give some feedback tomorrow.

    It sounds like the habit is pretty engrained and deeply associated with sleep. It would probably take a lot of time and effort to adapt to a new bedtime routine. Please be patient with yourself.

    I would suggest reading some information about sleep hygiene and developing a routine that suits you.

    Anxiety was a problem for me at bedtime. Over the years I’ve used different techniques.

    Meditation might be better used at night once you’re more confident in your practice. It might be an idea to meditate during the day while developing the skill.

    Non-repetitive music and melatonin (careful not to overdo this one though) helped me during periods of insomnia. Eventually, I developed an anxiety reducing routine. Lighting a scented candle, music on, grab a soft toy to cuddle. But anything that helps you relax and / or reduces anxiety could be helpful in a sleep hygiene routine. Nowadays, I do progressive muscle relaxation, a gratitude journal and meditation. For difficult nights, I find audiobooks helpful.

    #414726
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Lorn

    Their advice is that dating makes it easier to stop these habits. Is that something that you would like to pursue?

    #414736
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Lorm

    Thoughts are a happening. The more you try or will yourself not to engage some thought the longer it lingers. Frustrating as from the point of view of the mind trying our not trying to engage with a though is the same thing. In both cases your holding on to it and blocking flow.

    As Helcat mentioned Meditation techniques could help. “Oh here is that fantasy again”, engage or don’t engage, whatever you choose do so without judgment as it the judgment that clings to such things and prevents flow.

    You might notice that when you don’t apply judgments to having the fantasy you might go a step further and examine the judgments your making about the fantasies your having, the desire for relationship. In the fantasy what are you labeling as good, bad, if only, shoulds…  At that point you might make such judgements conscious and being conscious allow them to inform you vice block you.

    A fantasy becomes unskillful when it becomes a trick used to hide away from life rather then engaging with life. In a fantasy world one appears to a have more control so it may ‘feel’ safer, and being safer can become a pleasant trap.  My owe experience with getting stuck in fantasy has been linked to a desire of the ego for control (both illusions). Something one can address in meditation.

    #414738
    Anonymous
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    Dear lorn:

    I try to understand such pain, why it happens, and I think it’s because I haven’t satisfied such desire, and that I blame myself for not doing so, and I feel guilty about that, I have this blame & guilt issue“- if you peel the blame and guilt issue off the mental act of fantasizing, you may be able to sleep better.

    Try to have empathy for yourself instead of judging yourself as Guilty. Your desire for a relationship, if it is for a healthy, loving relationship-  is a natural desire, nothing to feel guilty about, is it?

    anita

    #414756
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    hi antina.

     

     if you peel the blame and guilt issue off the mental act of fantasizing, you may be able to sleep better

    i wish i dont feel gulity, its not a conscious effort by my side, i know why im doing it and where it come from, i have no problem with the act itself, my feelings arent aline with my thinking, i just feel like there is a healthier way to deal with this.

     

     

     

     

    #414757
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear lorn:

    “I just feel like there is a healthier way to deal with this“- by this, you mean your desire for a relationship (what you referred to as “primary desire” in the title of your thread). Fantasizing about a relationship, although it relieves your anxiety and makes it possible for you to sleep at nights, it otherwise increases your desire for a relationship. You tried to substitute meditation and distractions for the fantasy, but the result has been insomnia. Having a relationship is not possible for you now, and not for a long time.

    I am just about to go for my daily walk and will think about your dilemma. When I return, I will post again.

    anita

    #414765
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear lorn:

    On my walk, I remembered what came to my mind when I first read your original post: it was a very short question and answer that I heard or read a long time ago, it went something like this: a man is imprisoned in a jail cell. How does he get out? 

    Answer: he stops wanting out.

    The man can be free if he stops desiring to be free. Back to you: how can you be free from the desire to have a relationship?

    My suggested answer, perhaps: desire freedom more than you desire a relationship. Freedom is a need too, freedom from the desire for a relationship can be stronger than the desire for a relationship. What do you think?

    anita

    #414776
    Suji
    Participant

    Hi Lorn,

    Before sharing my thoughts about this matter, let me briefly introduce myself. I have been meditating for over 10 years and was able to transform my life through personal growth. Along the way, I had to deal with many issues including sleep issues, and overcame most of them through my practice.

    What I have realized is that our thoughts and desires that pop up on the surface level are rooted in our subconscious minds’ beliefs. So, if we can get rid of those beliefs from our subconscious minds, we can naturally let go of surface-level thoughts and fantasies.

    From my experience, I noticed that if we do something unconsciously, reacting, it normally intensifies. You mentioned that “I tried to replace it with another habit, for example meditate and try to think of something else, i just couldn’t” this might be the reason, I am just thinking. There may be another reason for it.

    I know that meditation works. Because you are interested in meditation, what I suggest is instead of using meditation to replace it, you may find a time that you feel energized and have fewer distractions to meditate. And as you continue your practice, you’ll naturally raise your consciousness by letting go of your surface-level thoughts around different areas of your life.

    And you can then use this consciousness to let go of the things that are bothering you.

    Because everyone’s situation is different, this may not be a perfect answer for your situation. But I thought that my knowledge might help you to achieve what you are trying to achieve. If you need anything to be clarified or any resource for this, please let me know, I would love to share my knowledge with you.

    #414909
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    hi, ive read all of what you said, and ive gained a better understanding of the situation, im satisfied with the answers, thank you for your replies

    #414911
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome, lorn, and thank you for the note!

    anita

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