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June 28, 2021 at 10:49 am #382074
Sarah Jeanne Browne
Participanthi Lindzee,
I’ve been on a unique journey with my beliefs. I started as conservative Christian then feminism changed then. I was briefly an atheist and it was the angriest time of my life. I returned to Christianity but a more liberal progressive type. I began having spiritual experiences such as this- the name Meekah kept coming to my head. I was like, “Who’s Meekah?” It turned out to be a little girl at a daycare I helped turn around. Well…I had this name in my head long before I ever saw the roster or started that job. It was a premonition. I have more experiences but I’m not sharing them publicly at this time. Anyways, I started to dabble in new age (reiki has done wonders for me) and became this- I’m a mix of New Age, Christian and Buddhist but none as they are. I do believe in hell. I read Neal Donald Walsh say even Hitler goes to heaven because there’s no hell and every fiber of my being fought this idea. I knew that there was more to this life. I knew that there was a hell because there should be one. But I do not believe we are sent there for just anything. I believe we experience spiritual experiences whether we believe or not. Ever fall in love? Make someone happy? Help a stranger? But there’s no one way to just being with God. You’re right about that. It’s about who you ARE. Belief helps but it doesn’t determine if God loves you. In fact there is nothing you can do to earn God’s love and forgiveness.
Those are my views. I would say that the bible is very inaccurate but I always felt moved by Jesus. I think there’s a lot we don’t know so we have to stay open. I wouldn’t shut down completely from God if I were you. But I wouldn’t hold the same views as my father or upbringing if they felt wrong for me.
Hope that helps!
Sarah
June 28, 2021 at 12:08 pm #382075Anonymous
GuestDear Lindzee:
You wrote: “I have (as of a month ago) ‘left the Faith’ because of a number of issues. It’s fear mongering.. I’m fearful of Hell.”.
The concepts of heaven and hell were invented and promoted by humans who are in some position of power, for the purpose of manipulating the behavior of people who are subjected to their power, encouraging approved-of behaviors by offering heaven, and discouraging disapproved-of behaviors by threatening hell.
Imagine this scenario: a parent disapproves of his/ her child’s behavior. To discourage the child from repeating the disapproved-of behavior, the parent may (but shouldn’t!) yell at the child, or physically punish the child (giving the child a bit of hell). To encourage the child to behave in approved-of ways, the parent may reward the child with candy (giving the child a taste of heaven).
But the parent cannot always be present to witness the child’s behavior, and reward or punish it, and so, the parent figures: if I tell the child that someone is always watching her.. an invisible entity, a god that is always there, and that this god will reward or punish her, depending on her behavior- then I have power over my child’s behavior even if I am not present!
The idea may have been born in the context of parenting and extended to the bigger context of the church.
“Another thing is that in the Bible, when we sin we have our punishment on earth. In the duration of me leaving Christianity, I’ve lost my part time job, I’ve crashed my car, and got in trouble with my parents for lying to them” – these things happen a lot, to many teenagers who did not leave Christianity (because of various reasons, ex., losing one’s job because of the pandemic).
There is no entity watching. Our actions affect others in many ways, some of our actions/ behaviors are helpful (ex., a: being kind to others, b: minimizing the use of plastic), some are harmful (ex., a: being rude to others, b: using lots of plastic). When we harm others and the planet, we make the world a worse place, and long-term, we will suffer from the harm we do to others/ the planet (the world is getting hellishly hot because of human misbehaviors, particularly politicians, isn’t it?)
We suffer and will continue to suffer for the harm we do, not because there is an entity watching, taking notes, but because of the law of cause and effect: our actions/ behaviors have consequences.
I hope to read more from you!
anita
June 28, 2021 at 5:31 pm #382101Lindzee
ParticipantThank you guys a lot for your responses! This really helped, and I actually met two people at my new job today who are spiritual, so it’s really encouraging. I appreciate your lengthy answers. Cheers!
June 28, 2021 at 7:46 pm #382104Anonymous
GuestDear Lindzee:
You are very welcome. I read your new thread about astral projections, chakras and vibrational stages- terms about which I know little to nothing. I hope that other members will reply to your new thread. Otherwise, you are welcome to post more on this thread, on your new thread, and/or start more threads on other topics.
anita
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