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April 21, 2020 at 2:59 pm #350956
Peter
ParticipantAs you said everyone journey is unique… well it should be – As in the Arthurian quest each Knight enters the woods where no one else has entered before.
In the task of Individuation often involves coming to terms with our mother/father complexes. Often influenced by our relationships with our parents however the idea is to learn how create healthy boundaries with regards to how we nurture (mother archetype) and discipline (father archetype) ourselves. You might say take on the responsibly of parenting ourselves. Many people are uncomfortable with such exploring as ‘blaming’ ones parents how ever the task involves seeing ones parents as unique individuals who like all people sometimes succeeded and failed. its not about blame but becoming conscious of the lessons learned and the sorting out what you wish to keep and what you need to work on. You appear to have started this process.
Though I was never a ‘player’ I suspect there is much you learned about yourself through them. Perhaps the beginning of defining Love – What Loving and being loved might mean at a deeper level. You use the word crush interchangeable with the word love begging the question where the experiences of a crush a experience of love? How deep did such experiences go?
I would challenge you with the concept of ‘Self Love’. Many people use the words without defining what ‘Self Love’ might look like for them. Perhaps they have a vague imagining of loving oneself might feel like but nothing with regards to what it might look like. What would loving your self look like? How would you know when you got their? If you did Love your self how would that influence your relating to others? What is the connection? Answering these questions and the questions they create will lead to a deeper relationship with the concept of Love.
The statement Love your neighbor as your self was not a command its a statement of fact. We can learn much about ourselves and how we Love ourselves in the ways in which we love others.
We forget that the words we use are not the territory. In your journey time and time again you will be ask to look past the words to what they point to.
April 21, 2020 at 5:10 pm #350968siickkunt
ParticipantThanks a lot for your reply and for reading my post Peter. I used the term “player” for lack of a better term but I never saw myself as a player. I was always honest in my connections and never lied to a woman, I was always open about having multiple partners at the time. It sure did teach me a lot to go on that journey.
where the experiences of a crush a experience of love?
Great question, I guess I didn’t use these words consciously. When I think about it, a crush for me was a type of obsessive attachment which was not usually not mutual, while love is the act of loving? The experience of crush didn’t go that deep, it was always a type of need for validation, wanting to get it back from that person which I want to be validated by. The love however was mutual in my relationship before things went south. We broke up a few days ago by the way. She said she loved me but she wasn’t in love anymore.
What would loving your self look like? How would you know when you got their? If you did Love your self how would that influence your relating to others? What is the connection?
I guess loving myself would be caring about myself enough to leave when the relationship got abusive. But I just stood there taking it, sometimes not even saying anything because of some fear that she might leave me if I did (sounds unreasonable but it’s how I often felt). I was always very careful that her needs were being met, but she wasn’t as careful of mine. Even when I verbally expressed my boundaries, she wouldn’t be careful to not cross them. I reinforced those boundaries, we had several fights about that where I put my foot down. She would respect them for a few days or weeks, but would eventually cross the same boundaries again. Also I would sometimes ignore my own needs because I thought it might hurt her feelings. Co-dependence at it’s finest.
If I loved myself I would relate to others more like an equal I guess. Can you elaborate what you mean with the last question “what is the connection”?
April 21, 2020 at 5:19 pm #350974siickkunt
ParticipantI also want to clarify that my relationship started off as loving, at which point it was very good. Then over time it started to feel like crushing and attachment. That’s the transition that I was talking about, and when that happened I felt like my “old self” was resurfacing.
April 22, 2020 at 8:43 am #351068Peter
ParticipantYou appear to have done a lot of work trying to understand how your experiences have influenced your relationship to love and relationships. That’s a great place to start.
I know that the terminology of individuation and the task of addressing the Father/Mother complex can be confusing.
The goal as we examine our experiences is that we learn to parent ourselves in a positive way. We learn how to nurture ourselves and discipline ourselves. This can feel to many to be a paradox of loving oneself unconditionally and conditionally (exactly the experience of growing up in a balanced up bringing.) One learns to nurture ourselves and hold ourselves accountable and responsible – it is all Love. (unconditional/conditional love is the experience of loving and being loved.) This is how we learn and learning better the call is to do better. In this way we learn how to create healthy boundaries that are accepting of ourselves as we are (unconditional) while working to do better (conditional/measured) . This creates the space for becoming and that IMO is a healthy self love.
When we fail to do better, and we will, we don’t beat ourselves up (abusive self parenting) but look at the experience honestly, learn what we can, take responsibility of what belongs to us, and move forward. Any labeling of oneself no longer necessary.
The Paradox of Freedom is that it is not exercised in a unconditional allowing but exercised in the setting of healthy boundaries.. Balance between a ‘freedom from’ and a ‘freedom to”. Like unconditional and conditional love these experiences are not opposites but intimately connected.
Maybe that dons’t make sense, words tend to get in the way, that said I think your on the right path and which you well in your journy
April 22, 2020 at 3:22 pm #351136siickkunt
ParticipantThanks a lot, your answers gave me some new insights and I appreciate that.
All the best.
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