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  • #344158
    Anonymous
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    Dear Reader:

    March 19 updated numbers (numbers continue to be updated, so the following is not true to a later time) from www. worldometers. info/ coronavirus/ country (no spaces):

    Coronavirus cases world-wide: 236,921.  Total deaths worldwide: 9,829. Total numbered of recovered cases: 86,675.

    In the list of countries provided in the website, I counted over 100 countries with no number of deaths listed, and about 50 countries with a single digit of deaths. I do understand that the counting of cases and deaths is not accurate, as testing is not adequate. It is expected that the numbers of cases will rise dramatically as testing for Coronavirus becomes more available in all countries. The expected increased numbers of cases does not mean that the pandemic is getting worse, but that testing has increased!

    The following are numbers for a few of the countries listed, in order listed: first number is the number of total coronavirus cases; the second number, in parenthesis, is number of deaths (For a list of all countries, see the website above): China: 80,928,  (3,245), Italy: 41,036 (3,405),  Iran: 18,407 (1,284), Spain: 17,395 (803), Germany: 14,544 (43), USA 11,355 (171), … UK: 2,692 (137). 50 countries -single digit deaths.

    Back to the numbers in boldface: 236,921 total global cases and 9,829 total global deaths. Some comparison: there were 8,098 total cases and 774 deaths in the Nov 2002-July 2003 SARS outbreak. Another comparison I am making is between the numbers in bold and global influenza cases and deaths (Medscape. com): “The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths.

    The total Coronavirus cases in the US: 11,355, and total deaths: 171. Here is a comparison with the flu (same website as above): “US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that flu-associated deaths in the US ranged from about 3000 to 49,000 annually between 1976 and 2006.”

    www. cdc. gov/flu: “CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 36,000,000-51,000,000 flu illnesses, 17,000,000-24,000,000 flu medical visits, 370,000-670,000 flu hospitalizations, 22,000-55,000 flu deaths”

    My comparison note: in about a comparable length of time, in the U.S.,there have been 36 million-51 million cases of the flu and 11,355 cases of Coronavirus; 22 thousands-55 thousands flu deaths, and 171 Coronavirus deaths.

    anita

    #344396
    Anonymous
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    Dear Reader:

    Updated numbers: yesterday there were 236,921 cases of infection, today: 271,675; yesterday there were 9,829 total deaths, today: 11,299, yesterday there were 86,675 recovered cases, today: 90,618.

    Yesterday there 41,036 cases of infection in Italy and 3,405 deaths; today 47,021 cases and 4,032 deaths

    The virus responsible for the current pandemic is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2, aconym: SARS-Cov-2 This is what Wikipedia says about it: “SARS-CoV-2 belongs to the broad family of viruses known as coronaviruses. It is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus. Other coronaviruses are capable of causing illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)….

    It is the seventh known coronavirus to  infect people, after 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1, MERS-CoV, and the original SARS-CoV.”

    The significance of it being an RNA virus vs a DNA virus, is this: “RNA viruses generally have very high mutation rates compared to DNA viruses” (Wiki, on RNA viruses).

    Back to the wiki entry on the virus: “Based upon the low variability exhibited among known SARS-Cov-2 genomic sequences, the strain is thought to have been detected by health authorities within weeks of its emergence among human population in late 2019”, the earliest case of infection thought to have been on Nov 17, 2019 in China, spread to more than 100 countries, then, on Jan 11, 2020 WHO designated it as a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern”, and on March 11, 2020, WHO declared it a pandemic.

    “The basic reproduction number of the virus has been estimated to be between 1.4 and 3.9. This means that each infection from the virus is expected to result in 1.4 to 3.9 new infections when no members of the community are immune and no preventative measures are taken”.

    Regarding “basic reproduction number”, wikipedia: “In epidemiology, the basic reproduction number of an infection can be thought of as the expected number of cases directly generated by one case in a population where all individuals are susceptible to infection..(where there is) absence of ‘any deliberate intervention in disease transmission”.

    My comment, best of my understanding at this point: the thing about viruses, and RNA viruses more than DNA viruses, is that they don’t stay the same, they keep mutating. One virus shows up in one form, infects an animal let’s say, and mutates/ changes, infect another,  mutates further, crosses species to a human, mutates some more, infects another human, mutates even more. Scientists cannot predict mutations. So even though the current SARS-Cov2 has killed way less people than the flue did, in a comparable period of time, no  one can tell if the SARS-Cov2 will become much more deadly as it continues to infect more and more people and mutate each time. This is why it is so important to isolate people/ social distance, so to severely stop the spread of infection and the mutation of the virus that accompanies such a spread.

    Regarding the flu, there is a vaccine that cover a lot of the cases, none exists for the current disease; there are viral treatments approved for the flu, none for the current. But viruses responsible for the flu, they too are RNA viruses that keep mutating, and once in a while there are outbreaks of the flu, so all viral infections have to be monitored and followed at all times by heath authorities in every country and internationally.

    More later.

    anita

    #344460
    Anonymous
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    Dear Reader:

    Somewhat better numbers today, from worldometers. info/ coronavirus:

    236,921 global cases March 19, 271,675 global cases March 20, and 286,402 cases today, March 21- a smaller increase from yesterday to today than the increase from day before yesterday to yesterday.

    Also a smaller increase in the number of global deaths between yesterday and today vs yesterday and the day before: March 19: 9,829 total deaths, March 20: 11,299, March 21, 11,885

    Also, better news here: of the current 105,471 closed global cases, 93,586 recovered, which is 89% (11,885 died, which is 11%). Also better news, of the current open/ active global cases, 96% of patients are in Mild Condition (4% are in Serious or Critical condition).

    Also—  No New coronavirus cases or deaths from coronavirus in Italy today !!!

    With regret and empathy for all people who are sick today, sick from any kind of disease, and people who lost people they loved to death for any reason, from any cause, I am happy today for these better numbers. I feel ecstatic at this time, I so very, very much want this pandemic to end. I will write more later, but I want this out just in case anyone reads this, just in case. (As I submit this, I didn’t listen to any reports out there, nor interpretations of the numbers, all I’ve seen were the numbers I pointed to in this post, so I received no validation to my optimism this morning).

    anita (7:29 am, Saturday, my time)

    #344466
    Anonymous
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    Dear Reader:

    The virus that is causing the current pandemic is SARS-Cov-2 (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2). SARS is not a new occurrence, it didn’t appear for the first time in Dec 2019. It already happened in November 2003. There was an outbreak that soon earned the title epidemic (not a pandemic) 17 years ago, an epidemic that was caused by the virus SARS-Cov  (SARS Coronavirus).

    Let’s look at what happened then, Wikipedia (bold face feature is added by me): “Between November 2002 and July 2003, an outbreak of SARS in Southern China caused an eventual 8,098 cases resulting in 774 deaths  in 17 countries .. 9.6% fatality rate  with the majority of cases in mainland China and Hong Kong… No cases of SARS have been reported worldwide since 2004. However, the related virus SARS-Cov-2 is the cause of the ongoing 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic”..

    “at the end of the epidemic in June 2003, the incidence was 8,422 cases with a case fatality rate of 11% … The viral outbreak can be genetically traces to a colony of cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in China’s Yunnan province. The SARS epidemic appears to have started in Guangdong Province, China, in November 2002 where the first case was reported that same month… Despite taking some action to control it, Chinese government officials did not inform the World Health Organization of the outbreak until February 2003… China has since officially apologized for early slowness in dealing with the SARS epidemic…By the time the WHO took action, over 500 deaths an and an additional 2,000 cases had already occurred worldwide.”

    * My question: Following the Chinese governemnt apology regarding being three months late to report the outbreak to WHO, did the Chinese governemnt report the current outbreak turned pandemic to WHO immediately???

    Back to wiki: “In late February 2003, Italian doctor Carlo Urbani was called into The French Hospital of Hanoi to look at Johnny Chen, an American businessman who had fallen ill with what doctors thought was a bad case of influenza. Urbani realized that Chen’s ailment was probably a new and highly contagious disease. He immediately notified the WHO. He also persuaded the Vietnamese Health Ministry to begin isolating patients and screening travelers, thus slowing the early pace of the epidemic. He subsequently contracted the disease himself, and died in March 2003.”

    The CDC and Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory identified the SARS genome in April 2003… In late may 2003, studies were conducted.. The results found that the SARS coronavirus could  be isolated from masked palm civets.. and more than 10,000 masked palm civets were killed in Guangdong province. The virus was also later found in racoon dogs, ferret badgers, and domestic cats. In 2005, two studies identified a number of SARS- like coronaviruses in Chinese bats. Phylogenic analysis of these viruses indicated a high probability that SARS coronavirus originated in bats and spread to humans either directly or through animals held in Chinese markets.. the disease had jumped across species… In December 2017.. researchers  reported .. that they had found a remote cave in Yunnan province, which is home to the horseshoe bats that carry a strain of a particular virus known as a coronavirus.. that triggered the global outbreak of SARS in 2002′ The research was performed by Shi Zheng-Li, Cui Jie and coworkers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China and published in PLOS Pathogens. The authors are quoted as stating that ‘another deadly outbreak of SARS could emerge at any time. As they point out, the cave where they discovered their strain is only a kilometer from the nearest village.”

    “The World Health Organization declared severe acute respiratory syndrome contained on 5 July 2003. In the following years, four SARS cases were reported in China between December 2003 and January 2004“.

    Regarding Treatment: “As SARS is a viral disease, antibiotics do not have direct effect, but may be used against bacterial secondary infection… Antiviral medications are used as well as high doses of steroids to reduce swelling in the lungs. People with SARS must be isolated.. As of 2020, there is no cure or protective vaccine for SARS that has been shown to be both safe and effective in humans. According to research papers published in 2005 and 2006, the identification and development of novel vaccines and medicines to treat SARS is a priority for governments and public health agencies around the world. In early 2004, an early clinical trial on volunteers was planned”.

    * My questions:

    1.What happened to that clinical trial, what happened to that high priority of looking for a vaccine in the last 15 years???

    2. If a vaccine for the a SARS virus wasn’t found in 15 years, can one be found any time soon for SARS viruses?

    Will the fact that the current outbreak is a pandemic affecting the developed world greatly (vs the original outbreak that was an epidemic that didn’t affect the developed world greatly) lead to way greater resources being urgently invested into finding a vaccine and viral treatments for the SARS viruses (similar to the vaccine and viral treatments that were found for the influenza viruses and which are currently in use)?

    anita

    #344474
    Brandy
    Participant

    Hi anita!

    I appreciate this thread very much. I find myself doing what you are doing, self-educating to make sense of what’s happening. It’s nice to be able to post our thoughts and feelings about this situation.

    You wrote in your 4th post that there were no new coronavirus cases and deaths in Italy today (Sat 3/21; it’s evening in Italy right now). I found this (posted by The Guardian about 1 hour ago): In the past 24 hours the coronavirus death toll in Lombardy, Italy’s worst-affected region, has risen by more than by 546 to 3,095, according to official figures. 

    Not sure which report is accurate but I thought I’d put it out there anyway. My information may be wrong. Also, it’s not my intention to create fear; just searching for facts. Going to read your 5th post later today.

    Hope you’re doing well, anita.

    B

    (10:23am Saturday my time)

    #344478
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Regarding my first post today: unfortunately, seems that Italy is not doing better at all. The numbers were not updated earlier this morning when I checked the website (worldometers). Now updated,  there has been an increase in cases and in deaths today: 53,578,4,825 total cases and 4,825 total deaths today, which is up from 47,021 total cases  and 4,032 total deaths when I checked yesterday.

    Also, global cases 297,426, deaths 12,775 (up from 286,402 and 11,885 from this morning).

    The better numbers are still better: 88% of patients that were infected with the virus and tested positive for the virus have recovered, and 96% of patients still suffering from the virus show mild symptoms/ are in mild condition.

    —I am going to be more cautious regarding the numbers, I understand now that no number in the data table in the website doesn’t mean zero, but it may very well mean that a number was not yet entered into the data table.

    anita

     

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