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    Anonymous
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    Dear Jose Luis:

    I want to understand your position regarding the Neil-Abbie story, therefore I ask: if you were Abbie, and you just found out that your spouse has been having a year long affair, what would you have done?

    anita

    #320991
    Jose Luis
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    Anita–

    if i found out that my spouse had been having a year long affair i would have left them.  no questions asked because i don’t tolerate cheating.  see, i believe that humans being aren’t inherently monogamous.  and the reason i believe this to be true occurred when i posed this question to myself:  when i was in a relationship, was i ever attracted to somebody else?  and the answer was yes.  this is when i realized that monogamy is a choice.  now, whenever i get into another relationship, i will have a conversation with my girlfriend about monogamy, and if we both agree to treat our relationship as such then it is our responsibility to hold ourselves accountable and to respect the choice we made as a couple.  if it is broken, then i don’t see any reason to continue being with that person.  so the answer to your question is, “it depends.”  it depends on how mature the individual is when faced with infidelity.  it depends on their values and beliefs because those dictate our actions.

    so now i return the question over to you.  what would you have done? …

    #321093
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jose Luis:

    If I was Abbie, married to Neil who “works in the advertisement business and seamlessly closes the most sought after deals”, and who was having a “year-long affair with a secretary from work who is his superior’s wife “, I would immediately move out of the common bedroom shared with Neil and secure my own, private bedroom in the house. Then as soon as possible I would  seek the  best divorce attorney in the area and hire that person to represent me, follow that attorney’s guidance and proceed with a divorce.

    anita

    #321121
    Jose Luis
    Participant

    Anita–

    yours was an interesting response.  i may be wrong ,but i sensed punitive measures taken against your theoretical husband.  would you elaborate on your reasons for taking that course of action?

    jose luis paez …

    #321135
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jose Luis:

    Do you mean that moving away from a shared bedroom with a husband who is having an affair with another woman is punitive, as in unfair, or … unkind?

    anita

    #321157
    Jose Luis
    Participant

    anita–

    it was your referencing to the line i wrote “works in the advertisement business and seamlessly closes the most sought after deals” linked to your statement of hiring “best divorce attorney in the area and hire that person to represent me” that made me consider that action as having punitive measures.  the three words “best divorce attorney” makes me think highly expensive and since your theoretical husband was unfaithful, in a court of law he would have to foot the bill for not only his attorney, but also yours.  most women i’ve spoken to who were cheated on stated that they felt they were slighted by their husband’s infidelity and reacted and acted in kind.

    jose luis paez …

    #321167
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jose Luis:

    I want to think more about your question to me, or challenge, I should say, and answer when I am back to the computer in about 17 hours from now.

    anita

    #321383
    Peter
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     ‘How do we walk around in a world full of shadow traps?’  As the individuals we were created to be.  Every being on this planet was born out of love.  That is who we are.  Gandhi is right.  Once we change ourselves the tendencies in the world will also change.

     

    Love, one of those words we think we ‘know’. I suspect that if our expectation of love is that we never experience pain, as the song goes, we don’t know love at all. Perhaps then, the shadow traps are not so much traps but gateways to a better relationship to Love ‘as it is’ the pain and the joy. A love transparent to the transcendent blossoming when we are it.

    There is a character in the TV show ‘A Million Little Things’ whose Husband had/has a drinking problem, cheated on her with one of their best friends which resulted in a child and has chosen to stay in relationship with her husband, family and friends.

    The expectation as we watch is for the drama of divorce and separation. She has been betrayed. We learn that over the last few years she wasn’t fully engaged in the marriage however that is no excuse for the betrayal.  She/we deserve better, society expects/demands it, justice demands it, the cost of betrayal is separation, everyone knows that.

    We watch puzzled, the character is determined to respond and make a real choice that comes from within, who she is. There have been no ultimatums, no demands or for that matter any talk of forgiveness.  Only Space. Is this a unrealistic character on tv or is it possible… We watch, She’s done something….

    The character has chosen to choose over ego.  This is not a sacrificing of love for love, but Love coming from loving herself. The experience of betrayal opening her up to herself, she is choosing… and has made herself more. She is expanded.

    There is a hermetic riddle. As above so below, as below so above. We are influenced yet in the same moment we influence. That is not a paradox. We are part of the whole, inseparable, smaller then small and bigger then big… we are the change we see.

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