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January 4, 2018 at 2:29 pm #185089LilyParticipant
Hi all,
I have recently separated from (yet another!) partner after realising that I had very little respect for him. After considering why this seems to be a pattern for me, I’ve come to realise that I had little respect for my own Father and would often behave towards him in the same condescending and contemptuous way that I now treat my partners at times.
Obviously, this is something that I would like to work on as I am aware that it is an issue and I’m not proud of my feelings and subsequent behaviours. I also know that my chances of managing a successful relationship whilst this is an ongoing issue are very slim, and deeply unfair to a potential partner. I’m wondering is anyone can offer any insight into this or any ways that I can start to change my capacity for maintaining respect?
With thanks,
Lily
January 4, 2018 at 3:26 pm #185095noahParticipantHi Lily,
Could you perhaps expand on what you mean by respect? What exactly did your partner do to trigger your realisation? If it’s the case of the man not actually deserving your respect my only advice would be to pick your partners more carefully, however if you are suggesting that you lose respect for your partner(s) without any real justification, I think I’d need some more details to fully understand the situation – only if you’re comfortable with sharing them of course.
Thanks,
Noah
January 4, 2018 at 4:13 pm #185099LilyParticipantHi Noah,
I don’t mind sharing, I need all the help I can get! In this particular relationship, there were a few instances where I felt he behaved in quite an entitled manner, which I guess I found embarrassing and is not something that I find attractive, or would do myself. Interestingly, my lack of respect for him does make it seem like I do have a sense of superiority though surely? Thinking aloud here!
The biggest issues I had were his conflict resolution, which was very poor and consisted of the silent treatment, lots of huffing and puffing and facial expressions, and ultimately the response ‘whatever’; I felt that he was behaving like a spoiled child (he’s 42 and works in business management). I’ve had my own issues with poor conflict resolution in the past and now try really hard to be calm, reasonable and rationale so perhaps I was triggered more because of this in these situations.
My other main issue was that I guess I felt that he needed to ‘man up.’ He treated me really well, and was very generous, although I had an underlying sense that he needed recognition for these things from myself as well as others. He also wasn’t what I would call ‘tough’ I guess; I’m the sort of person who doesn’t obsess about their health etc but he would be quite dramatic in this regard. We both work out, but he would frequently complain that he couldn’t do this or that for whatever reason and I would get frustrated as he would state that he wished to lose weight and yet this didn’t seem to materialize (I’ve had my own weight/eating issues so there could be some projection there from me).
Our relationship ultimately ended after I met his friends for the first time at a party and I spent the entire time watching them treat him like a slave and screeching at him to get them this, that and the other and openly belittling him. One of them even spent the evening telling me that he was ‘pompous’, a ‘mummy’s boy’ and that he had ‘daddy issues’ and was ‘older than his age.’
I can appreciate that overall it probably wasn’t a good match in terms of personality types but I have had issues previously where guys have been really good to me but ultimately I have no respect for them. As a child, my Dad would spoil me much to the disgust of my Mum, and in my later years I really held very little respect for my Dad…I guess I’m just wondering if there is a link there and whether it is possible to tease it apart.
Perhaps I need therapy!
Lily
January 4, 2018 at 5:54 pm #185109ElianaParticipantHi Lily,
When you say “respect” I’m afraid I’m a little confused. You say you give the “silent treatment” this Can be something learned from Childhood, if we did not get what we want. Passive aggressive behavior Can be worked out with a good Psychotherapist. You mentioned him “manning up” because he won’t lose weight. Can you join a gym together? Go for walks together? We really can’t fix it change another person, only ourselves. This also could be coming from a critical caretaker from your past, and carried it into adulthood. Can you provide more details? Are you saying you are mean? Use curse words? Put downs? Thanks for any clarification. x
January 5, 2018 at 1:12 am #185147noahParticipantHi Lily,
Firstly, thanks for sharing. In this particular situation with your partner it seems that he wasn’t all that mature – so I can see why you lost respect for him. As well as this, the fact that he willingly chose to be around people who treated him like their errand boy tells me that he is probably clinging onto what friends he has left! It may be the case of them being higher-ups at his job, which would partially excuse his behavior – however it still seems he is undeniably “beta”, so to speak, so I can empathise with you.
With regard to your previous partners who have been good to you, perhaps you unknowingly search for flaws in each partner to criticise? In my opinion, this does sound quite like a superiority complex – I’m not exactly sure how to go about this other than recommending therapy, like you suggested, however I will say this: next time you find something about someone you don’t like or wish they would change, spend some time reflecting on yourself and where you fall short and could improve. To be cliche, nobody’s perfect. And instead of keeping your partner in the dark about these things, discuss them with him despite how confrontational it may seem, as it will be one of the few ways things could change.
Wishing you luck,
Noah
January 5, 2018 at 3:13 am #185153LilyParticipantThank you for your considerate responses; I shall think on them and decide on my next course of action:-)
January 5, 2018 at 3:45 am #185159AnonymousGuestDear Lily:
You wrote that as a child you had very little respect for your father. You thought negative thoughts about him. It is difficult for a child to think negatively of her parent. You wrote that he spoiled you a lot.
I am thinking that as a child you felt guilty for thinking poorly of him.
Regarding the men in your life, reads to me that the issue with your father is interfering with your ability to make a clear enough evaluation of a man as a potential partner. It might be that the man’s imperfections trigger that guilt, that extra distress in you that make a clear, objective enough viewing of the man impossible and the continuation of the relationship too painful.
Your thoughts?
anita
January 5, 2018 at 5:44 am #185175AnonymousGuestDear Lily:
More thoughts:
You wrote: “I’ve come to realise that I had little respect for my own Father and would often behave towards him in the same condescending and contemptuous way that I now treat my partners at times… As a child my Dad would spoil me much to the disgust of my Mum… I’m just wondering if there is a link”-
Here is a possible link that I see as likely: you disrespected your father not because he spoiled you. You disrespected him because your mother disrespected him.
You took on your mother’s disrespect of your father, empathized with her, tried to please her, to be liked by her, to be in her corner… so you disrespected him too.
But your mother didn’t disrespect him in isolation. She disrespected him spoiling you. So you took on her feelings, and disrespected not only the one doing the spoiling but the one being spoiled, yourself.
This is why, possibly, you disrespected your boyfriend for acting in an entitled way (like a child being spoiled, entitled to a special treatment). You wrote: “he was behaving like a spoiled child”-
You were that spoiled child and your mother- and consequently you- disapproved of being spoiled. His spoiled child behavior triggered your disapproval of yourself having been a spoiled child.
… Thoughts and feelings?
anita
January 6, 2018 at 1:35 am #185309LilyParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for the insight. I think you may have made some very good points! I certainly try to avoid being spoiled, for my birthday this year I was treated to a lot of stuff by this particular man and I felt deeply uncomfortable; I suppose I make a conscious effort to avoid the possibility of being accused of being spoiled because I don’t feel that I am, even my Mother would say that I was…I did have a lot of nice things but really would have preferred a more loving upbringing.
These days I won’t take anything from anyone, including my Mother who offers me large sums of money. I work hard and out of principle, would never ask or accept that.
Seems like a huge mess to me; I’ll give my old psych a call next week and see if I can get a session to talk it out. I suppose I’m learning all the time which is a positive!
Thanks again,
Lily
January 6, 2018 at 8:07 am #185345AnonymousGuestDear Lily:
You are welcome. You wrote: “I did have a lot of nice things but really would have preferred a more loving upbringing”. I can relate to this and lots of people can. We live at a time where things are abundant, material goods are affordable and accessible to many, many millions all over the world. And yet, what is scarce is love, a loving upbringing.
It is easier to buy things and present those things to a person than it is to love that person. The first is done all the time, buying goods, we know how to do it. But love, we have less practice, I suppose.
anita
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