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  • #169200
    Honour
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    Hello all,

    I was hoping to find some support and/or suggestions on deal with a spouse who has depression. First: we have seen a doctor and have a low dose of generic Zoloft prescription. I believe a higher dose would be better, if not a new medication. My spouse overall agrees, but doesn’t want to “waste time sitting around a doctors office just to go and talk to a stranger about our problems.” This mindset is why therapy has been out of the question.

    A little background: my spouse had a very tough childhood. She has 6 older siblings who were bullies, a father who disappeared, and a mother who also bullied and abused her. Due to the unloving environment and the trauma she faced as a child, I suspect she may actually have BPD, but I cannot get into diagnosing that with her yet (with a professional, I mean.) She has severe anxiety and almost immediately closes up in public. This makes grocery shopping very stressful and we almost always argue. She also does not get up until after 12pm most days. She doesn’t clean up/do chores around the house. She DOES feed the animals. I know she WANTS to do more, and she even has said things along those lines. However, she says often “it’s the depression. I don’t even want to get up and do anything.” I try to stay patient and not demand things or even ask, but I fear I’ve just created this contentment bubble that she won’t leave now. Almost every discussion ends with the depression or how her mother treated her as a child. (ex: she rationalized not wanting to clean because her mother would make her clean as punishment, so now she sees it as torture. Our house is a mess no  matter how much I do. She will also become angry with me for cleaning saying “you’re not spending time with me” or something similar.)

    On top of all of this, she has outbursts of anger (lots of yelling), she forgets nearly everything (not just conversations, but things a few seconds after having them), and she won’t give up drinking (family history of alcoholism, too). As I pay the bills, I’m able to curb the drinking a little, but there’s always some kind of guilt trip at play. I know drinking with Zoloft is a very bad idea, but it doesn’t stop her. I’ve come home at about 4:30pm after she has woken at 12pm to find her already drinking.

    I don’t know how to talk to her about this. Bringing things up (especially therapy or help) only causes a bigger fight. I don’t want to fight, but I don’t want to leave. I just want to be able to work WITH my spouse to figure this out. It seems like I’m dealing with a teenager instead of an adult though. Our arguments go around and around, usually losing the point that started it all. She will say hurtful things, and when I defend myself or ask for an apology, she has some kind of defense or excuse. I feel like we’re drifting apart and it’s heartbreaking. We used to be so happy and awesome. We were always on the same page, but now I don’t even know if we’re in the right book.

    Sorry for the lengthy post. I would greatly appreciate any advice or to hear from someone in a similar situation.

    -Honour A.

    #169212
    Anonymous
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    Dear Honour A.:

    My first thought was that assuming there are no children in this marriage (you didn’t mention any), that I hope there will not be children in it, not before there is heavy duty healing taking place for her. Her expressions of anger  will greatly harm a child.

    My advice to you: put more of a daily routine into your shared life, same things happening every day, for example: the two of you sharing coffee at …10 am (if you are home, daily, or on the weekends) and discussing the events of the day to come. The two of you having dinner at the same time and in a certain way. Perhaps a walk outside at about the same time every evening. Routine will calm her.

    She told you that she doesn’t want to “waste time sitting around a doctors office just to go and talk to a stranger about our problems”-

    How about she talks to you, her husband,  about her problems during the sharing-coffee time? You can discuss ground rules for such times, so to avoid arguing and evaluate the effectiveness of such discussions periodically.

    anita

    #169220
    Honour
    Participant

    Anita,

    No, there are no children yet. We want children but cannot afford the proper process or adoption at this time. It’s very difficult for same-sex couples. I see this as if a sign from the universe, though. Once we’re ready we’ll be able to afford and plan like pros.

    I have changed up our routine (which currently involves watching TV as soon as I get off work and that’s about it) but it was met with suspicion and distaste. She said she didn’t like when I don’t tell her things or try to surprise her with something new. It makes her insecure like I would leave her just as quickly as I would change up our nightly routine. I would rather be able to have a loosely dedicated time to discuss things rather than scattered arguments throughout the day that make no sense. I would love to be able to have 10am coffee, but I go to work at 6:45am and don’t return until 4:30pm. Again, I want to be able to talk and discuss things regularly but our discussions almost always end in arguments. There is so much attitude, too many assumptions, defensiveness and frustration. Sometimes it happens almost immediately. And I will admit that I add those things as well. I never mean to, but sometimes my patience isn’t there or I feel defensive and like it’s justified.

    I have tried to establish ground rules. (ex: not using ‘infinites’ like “you NEVER listen”) When I become panicked I break them myself though, which is usually not forgiven or forgotten for some time. It’s just so strange to see my spouse go from being a loving, fun, determined person into a grouchy, rude, lazy person. I feel guilty for that judgement though, because I believe that happier person is still there somewhere.

    #169230
    i_like_advice
    Participant

    Hi Honour,

    There’s definitely a lot going on in your life, and that situation sounds very difficult and almost heartbreaking–I’m imagining you watching your loved one deteriorate over time. It doesn’t sound like there’s the possibility of couples’ counseling, but could you go to individual? It could help you deal with the stress and perhaps help you find other ways of communicating.

    #169254
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Honour:

    I read your last post and thoroughly re-read your first. At one point you experienced a loving relationship with your spouse. That was in the past and no longer is the situation. The situation is that her sickness has taken over and is ruling her life and your life. It is in charge.

    These are the ways it is in charge: refusing to see a doctor for medication change or adjustment, refusing psychotherapy, will not get her out of bed before noon on most days, will not get her to clean the house or do chores other than feed the animals, complains when you clean the house instead of spending time with her, yells at you, says hurtful things to you, ends all your efforts of discussions with arguments, treats your efforts to help her and the relationship with suspicion and distaste, and blames you.

    You wrote: “I don’t want to fight, but I don’t want to leave. I just want to be able to work WITH my spouse to figure this out… It’s just so strange to see my spouse go from being a loving, fun, determined person into a grouchy, rude, lazy person. I feel guilty for that judgement though, because I believe that happier person is still there somewhere.”

    My input: unfortunately you cannot work with your spouse because she is not available for that work. You have no one to work with. That “loving, fun, determined person” is gone and you have no control as to if and when she is back. Reading about her from your posts, it was a temporary break from her sickness that allowed that loving, fun and determined person to resurface.

    It just occurred to me to ask you: what were the circumstances, or the change of circumstances that led her to change from loving-fun-determined to sick again?

    anita

     

     

     

    #169413
    Amy
    Participant

    Honour,

    I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I too, am in a same-sex marriage and my partner is angry with me, but unwilling to do any work right now towards repairing our relationship, even though they say they want to give it a shot. Our situations are similar. I myself struggle with childhood trauma. I realized a year ago, that I could not rely on a partner to do all of the emotional work needed to recover from that past damage. I agree with Anita that it seems like her sickness is in control. It is such a hard situation. Is she in therapy at all? It’s very difficult to work with a partner who isn’t also willing to work with you, and in this situation, it seems like if she won’t talk with you about working towards a solution of health, no matter how slowly, your situation won’t change, but may get worse as you reach your limits.I hope you’re able to have a healthy conversation about what you both need to move forward in health.

    A

    #169417
    Amy
    Participant

    H-

    apologies, just reread your original post and saw the bit about therapy. I’m sorry to hear it’s out of the question.

    A

    #169583
    Honour
    Participant

    A,

    I’m sorry you’re going through this as well. I think it’s still workable for myself, and I hope it is for you as well. Currently things are looking up a little. I’m not completely sure why, but I hope this momentum continues. I might be able to talk about therapy even– eventually of course.

    – Honour

    #169587
    Honour
    Participant

    Anita,

    I’m not sure what the situation/circumstances are that caused the change. It seemed mostly slow, except for recently. I asked her once and there was no answer. I’ve always known she has depression but she seems to have fallen into a pit of darkness much deeper than anything before. I wondered if it has to due with 1: staying at home alone all day and 2: a family situation that’s very stressful regarding her brother. The last couple of days have been better, but I’m a little weary to bring anything up still. In about a month, I will be able to take a day off and I am hoping we can see about adjusting her medication. I think that the sickness doesn’t always take over, but lately she has had less fight against it, maybe. I hope the adjustment will help as well as my continuing prescience.

    -Honour

    #169613
    Eliana
    Participant

    Hi Honour,

    I guess you have to envision your future. Do you really want to live, waiting, fighting, maybe having a few “good days”, wondering, doubting, walking on eggshells? Her not wanting to go to therapy, getting up an noon. You want a partner, not to raise a child..which is what is happening now and shows no signs of really improving? Do you really want to live this way? Unhappy? Uncertain?

    #169679
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Honour:

    The fact that she is “at home alone all day” is definitely not good for her, not congruent with healing or with effectively managing her anxiety and depression. A stressful situation regarding her brother probably added to her distress.

    If she could get into some kind of daily routine, and keep it over time, that is likely to be so helpful. Incorporating aerobic exercise into a daily routine, such as a daily brisk walk can be so helpful. Perhaps a yoga class he can attend, to be around people.

    anita

     

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