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September 14, 2016 at 12:44 am #115097LBNLParticipant
Hi everyone. Sorry if this drags on too long. For context I’m 23 and female.
A year ago I was obese and very depressed. I’m not sure what sparked it but I suddenly felt the motivation to lose weight. I dropped about 100 pounds in 6 months, from 210 to 110. I’m physically unrecognizable. Of course I’m happy about it, but somehow I feel as though everything backfired and went wrong. I haven’t been this slim since early childhood and although I look much better and healthier, it feels like there’s a stranger looking back at me in the mirror. And it’s not just my appearance that changed. My interests and tastes in music are completely different now and I don’t know why. I’ve also become more socially confident and I speak differently. All these changes should be positive but for the past few weeks I’ve felt so disconnected from myself. Last year I was someone else. I looked, felt, and thought differently. What difference is that to dying? I feel as though the real depressed me was abandoned and replaced by a better looking, more confident fake me. I guess this is some sort of spiritual, identity, or existential crisis. I feel like my soul is floating outside my body, watching my life from the outside. Nothing feels real. Life feels trivial and meaningless, and I fear the death of my parents. They are the only things left in my life that I feel are the same, the one thing connecting me to my old self. Everything else has changed.
On top of that, I have done terrible things in the past. When I was a teenager I hit my dog several times. He hasn’t trusted me ever since, even though I haven’t hit him in years. I was so immature and apathetic back then that I felt no empathy. Now I am so horrified by those actions that I can barely stand it. I wish I could earn his trust but that wouldn’t erase what I did. I can’t imagine being forgiven for doing something like this. I’m a different person now but that was still me, despite how disconnected I feel from my old self.
I want to atone for what I did to my dog several years ago but I don’t know how to forgive myself, even if God forgives me. Plus I almost want to gain the weight back just to feel like me again. Sometimes I literally panic when I find myself scrambling for some sense of familiarity. I never imagined I would be so lost after achieving my weight loss goal.
September 14, 2016 at 2:11 pm #115163AnonymousGuestDear LBNL:
Congratulations for losing all that weight.
You suggested that your current feelings, post your huge weight loss are due to : “some sort of spiritual, identity, or existential crisis.” I don’t see it that way.
I see your feeling “like my soul is floating outside my body, watching my life from the outside. Nothing feels real..” as depersonalization, a way the brain protects itself against anxiety, overwhelming, ongoing fear. The fact that your fear latched on to the thought of your parents dying makes it quite clear to me that you are experiencing significant anxiety.
I am supposing your eating habits changed drastically and that is how you lost the weight and kept it off so far. This in itself is a big change in behavior. It may be that overeating was associated in your brain with the temporary relief of your anxiety (not a cure of your anxiety, but associated with the sense of temporary relief). Without this temporary relief, and following the “high” of the weight-loss-mission-accomplished, you are left without that temporary relief (overeating) and without the high of mission-accomplished.
There might be other factors, but these may be two.
What I would do if I was you would be to attend competent psychotherapy as soon as possible. If I was you, I wouldn’t want to undo the weight loss. Not only will I not want to undo that, but your current anxiety is an opportunity for you to start healing the core issue: anxiety, anxiety predating your weight loss as well as predating your weight gain— all the way back to that little girl that you were.
Hope you post again. I am very interested in communicating with you as this is a crucial time for you, I believe; time for serious work with a competent, empathetic psychotherapist.
anita
September 14, 2016 at 2:55 pm #115171LBNLParticipantThank you for your response, it actually helped me understand this quite a bit. It’s true that my eating habits changed a lot. I usually eat healthy food and I no longer eat huge portions, but I definitely used food as a crutch back then. It was the thing I looked forward to the most after school or work, and every social or solitary event revolved around food. Maybe I simply don’t know what to focus on anymore. I can’t come home to a pint of ice cream every night. I just do other things instead.
I know I’m very dependent on my parents. I’m an only child and I was pretty outgoing and active as a kid. When I was 10 our family moved to another part of the country where we knew nobody, and I suddenly became a lot more introverted and shy. Friendships just happened when I was little, but they take more effort as you get older. I have a few close friends who I still see regularly and care about these days, but my parents are the most important people in my life. Our family of 3 is very tight-knit and loving so maybe I just never prioritized other types of relationships. It scares me so much that one day my parents won’t be around. I don’t want to be alone but I don’t believe I can forge new relationships to replace them. I’m also incredibly worried about how I’ll support myself without the safety-net my parents provide. I’m finishing college right now and I’ll be working in the dental industry. Rationally I know I should have a bright (or financially stable) future ahead, but I still doubt that I can handle adult life without my parents. I honestly feel like I’m still am immature teen.
…I only started having these thoughts after my weight loss. I’m definitely dealing with anxiety. I almost feel selfish for feeling so bad after doing something a lot of people wish they could do.
What would a psychotherapist be able to help with? I think maybe what I’m needing is more people in my life, but I don’t know how to go about that yet. I’m friendly with everyone and I can be very sociable now, but I never know how to invite people to do things together. I also haven’t had a successful long-term romantic relationship so I have no idea how to approach that. I’ll try talking to someone nonetheless.
September 14, 2016 at 7:52 pm #115203AnonymousGuestDear LBNL:
You asked: “What would a psychotherapist be able to help with?”
I think that the answer may be that a therapist can help you with seeing how your past and present daily interactions with your parents are keeping you dependent on them and anxious at the idea of you living independently.
What are these interactions that are adding to your dependence and keeping you from independence? If you are not aware of these, you can share some of the daily interactions and I may be able to point out how those do what I suggest they do.
anitaSeptember 15, 2016 at 2:18 pm #115290LBNLParticipantThey have always said that different people mature at different times, and I was never encouraged to move out or distance myself. They want me to be independent and successful but they also make it too easy to be lazy at home. They would take care of things for me in the past. It’s only recently that I’ve started taking care of things on my own. I feel like I’m a bit incompetent when it comes to certain things, like filling/finding certain tax forms or figuring out what goes into applying for student loans. I would usually procrastinate, which lead to my mom taking care of it all. I no longer do this but I still don’t feel secure with my own abilities, like I still have the training wheels on. I can figure everything out on my own need be, but if my parents weren’t around I feel like the stress and uncertainty would be overwhelming. My dad is nearly 70 and my grandfather on his side of the family died of a heart attack at 64. I’m terrified of losing him and I worry about what my mom will do once he’s gone. She’s foreign and doesn’t speak English too well, nor does she have friends in this town, so I picture myself taking care of her later on. Yet this isn’t the life I want for myself. Part of me wishes I could live independently but I worry about them too much to leave, plus I rely on their support too much.
September 15, 2016 at 8:42 pm #115303AnonymousGuestDear LBNL:
You described your family as “very tight-knit and loving ” and yet when you were at school you looked forward to go home so to have a pint of ice cream. Why did you not look forward to enjoy that tight-knit loving feeling you suggested there is in your family?
You wrote that back when you were a child you hit your dog because you didn’t have empathy back then. No empathy in the context of a very tight-knit and loving family?
And in the context of that loving family you are anxious, feeling incompetent, unable to imagine an independent life.
I think psychotherapy with a competent therapist will be very helpful to you: to be and become an independent young woman, start your career, develop a loving relationship with a partner and move on and out of your home, which doesn’t read to me so very loving.
anita
September 20, 2016 at 8:33 am #115693TannhauserBlockedI’m going through an existential crisis too. I’m at a crossroads in my life and it is utterly terrifying. It’s something far worse than a ‘mid-life crisis’. The way I see it, I’ll either have to summon up the courage to see a doctor and go through yet more medical tests and procedures, or I’ll kill myself.
My sympathies are with all people suffering such a traumatic event in their lives.
Best wishes.
September 20, 2016 at 8:50 am #115696AnonymousGuest* Dear Tannhauser: if you’d like please start a new thread, your own thread. You have done it before. If you do, let me know if you would like my input (I gave you input in the past, part of which you didn’t like, but I will try better to be helpful to you next time). Please contact a suicide hotline or other trained agency if you consider suicide. And do take best care of yourself.
anita
September 20, 2016 at 9:10 am #115700LBNLParticipantAnita:
I’m not totally sure what caused me to become so unsure of my abilities. My parents and I really care about each other but we definitely had problems in the past. I didn’t didn’t have a lot of close friends while in school and this depressed me, which turned me to food for comfort. The more weight I gained the more my mom would worry. She would often yell, monitor what I ate, or just generally remind me that life is harder while overweight. I ate in hiding most of the time. This is the biggest issue between us, but our relationship is much better now. I created some stronger friendships while in college and at work (not many but enough, I’m a quality over quantity type of person). I found the will to lose weight and get my life together without my mom nagging, and now that I’ve lost weight there’s no tension about food. We get along really well. I honestly feel extremely guilty about making my parents worry so much about me. They were essentially watching me destroy my health for years and couldn’t do anything about it. My mom admits that she was too harsh and went about it the wrong way, and has since apologized, saying she didn’t know how else to express her worry besides with anger. I feel no resentment about it but I do believe it may have had some effect on me. I felt so out of control, depending on food for happiness and feeling guilt for disappointing my parents, that it lead me to hit my dog back then. I still haven’t come to terms with that. I’m interested in talking to a psychotherapist but I’m worried it wont help too much. I had a negative experience with a therapist once a few years ago. She didn’t appear to have any interest in what I was saying, making it extremely hard to open up.
Tannhauser:
I’m so sorry you are going through something like this. I’ve felt suicidal in the past, many times, but I think after all that the one thing I’ve taken away from it is that everyone is constantly evolving. You may feel totally different in just a few months. In just a year or two I’ve become an entirely different person, and I’m struggling to figure out who that is, but it just goes to show things can change. I’m definitely having a very hard time right now and the world feels alien and overwhelming, but I’ve just now realized how fast life can change. Maybe you’re experiencing something a bit like me. I also feel like I’m at a crossroads of some sort. Stay strong.
September 20, 2016 at 9:19 am #115701TannhauserBlockedThanks LBNL,
To be honest, I don’t think I will feel much different in a few months. This experience of mine has been getting progressively worse. I am so sad. I grieve for life as it used to be. I cry every day. I never used to do that. Never. I have been through too much in my life, and I am tired now. If someone offered me euthanasia I would take it. There are family and friend around me yet I feel completely isolated and spaced out. I am questioning my existence all the time. I never did that before. I just want to go to sleep and not wake up again.
Best wishes.
September 20, 2016 at 9:46 am #115706LBNLParticipantTannhauser,
If you don’t mind me asking, what has changed in your life recently? Or if you would rather not discuss it, have YOU changed or did your situation change?
You are grieving for your life as it used to be and I feel that way as well (in a different way, I feel more disconnected from my past than anything). I suffered from severe depression during my mid-teens to early 20s and I often found a strange, sad comfort in the idea that I could one day take my own life if things got bad enough. It was liberating, thinking I had a way out. It gave me the motivation to start over and abandon my old habits, lose weight, and go back to school. Thinking about death like that was probably unhealthy but I’m always learning. This probably wouldn’t work for everyone, but maybe you can find the strength to turn that feeling of loss and grief into the freedom to start over or do something you never had the courage to do before.
Is the experience you’re going through something you feel is internal? Or spiritual and external? I’d like to give more input because I’ve been through years of pain as well. I’m not out of the woods myself, but I can always offer advice.
September 20, 2016 at 9:48 am #115707AnonymousGuestDear LBNL:
Your share is a testimony that expressed anger (as in yelling, using disapproving words etc.) at a person does not motivate the recipient of the anger to do better in life. What motivates is gentleness and patience.
What your mother’s anger did, as she later acknowledged, is hurt you and cause you to turn more to food, the exact opposite of her intent.
And now as you struggle, when you struggle, apply toward yourself the attitude that does work and not the attitude that harms you: be gentle and patient with yourself. Do not expect perfection or a happily-ever-after state of living. Congratulate yourself for your accomplishments, however “small” (there is no such thing as small accomplishment in my view); be gentle with yourself when you are not perfect (no such state of operating for a human either); focus on gradual progress. You will figure things out along the way, no need (or possibility) to figure everything immediately.
anita
September 20, 2016 at 10:09 am #115711LBNLParticipantAnita,
Thank you for your input, I feel like this discussion has honestly helped me look at this from a better perspective.
I think I definitely don’t have enough patience with myself. I’m always seeing something wrong that needs to be improved. I look for flaws. I tend to forget what a huge accomplishment my weight loss was, how much work I put into it. And I did that despite my low self-esteem back then. I should focus on how far I’ve come, not how far I have to go. It’s just so hard to actually do that. I still get caught in thought loops that lead to panic attacks.
I definitely want to put the negative parts of my past (weight, anger from my mom, low self-esteem) behind me, but I feel I need to acknowledge it as well in order to stop feeling so disconnected from my past. I just read something about ‘depersonalization’ and that it can be caused by depression or intense life changes.
I’ll keep all this in mind. I just hope this feeling of not knowing who I am and that the world around me is meaningless and superficial, eventually goes away with time…
September 20, 2016 at 11:38 am #115722AnonymousGuestDear LBNL:
As to your last line: “I just hope this feeling… eventually goes away with time..” It is my experience that nothing much goes away with time except life itself. The feeling of anxiety I experienced 20 minutes ago, today, at 55 is the same feeling I experienced at 5. The past, how we felt then, is imprinted in our brain and we keep feeling much of the same ways as then.
Healing is key, healing through time. And yes, no way to rush it and no intellectual understanding will take the necessary requirement of the work that needs to be done over time.
To know something is true and real you have to feel it- this makes an emotional knowing, a deep knowing. You wrote: ” I’m always seeing something wrong that needs to be improved. I look for flaws. I tend to forget what a huge accomplishment my weight loss was, how much work I put into it… It’s just so hard to actually do that.”-
Your focus on what is wrong, your flaws is based on a core belief that indeed, there is something significantly flawed about you, isn’t it? So even though you intellectually know you lost 100 lbs, and that is a good thing, you still believe- just like before- that there is something significantly flawed about you. The weight changed, but not the core belief.
How can you emotionally know, that you are not flawed (aside from being imperfect, which is what every single human being is: imperfect)?
I was going to attempt and answer my own question. Maybe you would like to?
anita
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