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August 14, 2016 at 3:59 am #112292SalseromarioParticipant
I have been a teacher for more than 20 years, and a certain classroom problem has often cropped up and irritated me severely. However, recently I have a similar case that is literally driving me temporarily insane, and I need some advice or thoughts.
The problem is this: In recent years, as more and more young people appear to have ADD or display symptoms that are on the autism scale, I more and more often have students who for hours on end, twirl pens, making a clicking noise with every twirl, and simultaneously vibrate or jerk one of the legs repeatedly. Sometimes, the students goes totally nuts and is using both legs simultaneously like jackhammers, or like a drummer in a heavy metal band, playing double bass. They seem to totally unaware of what they are doing, and if I tell them to stop, they just start again quite soon.
I have to lecture on and explain really heavy material, which requires very logical and lucid thought, but these repeated actions and noises drive me full-on insane and irritate me to that point that I am constantly a millimeter away from exploding and snapping at a student. I cannot block out these repetitive movements and sounds, even if I try to stay turned to one side of the classroom, which of course looks ridiculous anyway.
As for background on me, I am adapt at meditation and at lowering my brain waves pretty much at will. In any regular class, without this type of student present, I can maintain a Buddha-like calm, no problem, and my classes have a beautiful, relaxing atmosphere.
However, I know from other experiences in life that repeated low-rate sound/motion irritates me severely, for example, a person loudly chewing gum with their mouth open like pig between chews. This summer I have been subjected to a kid like this for 9 hours of class per week, and as of this week, I have officially gone temporarily insane. I lost it on some students, and now I am in trouble at the workplace. I am so distraught that I can only sleep about 2 hours per night. I am just a mental wreck. No teachers I work with seem to get as irritated as I do with this sort of problem; thus, I cannot get any feedback or advice from them.
Does anyone have any advice on how a highly sensitive, and highly attuned person can cope with this type of student behavior? Does anyone else have this sort of sensitivity?
August 14, 2016 at 8:03 am #112298AnonymousGuestDear salseromario:
I have a very high sensitivity to sounds and am very familiar with the feeling of being driven insane by those sounds, people’s sounds. People screaming, the volume of voices.
What I found out about my own sensitivity are the following:
1. When I am already anxious everything sounds louder then when I am not anxious.
So I am thinking, now that you are in your highest anxiety, in trouble at work for exploding at students, sleeping so little, the sounds are likely to be even more bothersome. Do you think?
2. Some sounds bother me more than others because of the intent that I see in the making of the sound. For example nature sounds, birds, don’t bother me. On the other hand, a neighbor raising his voice playing with his kid or calling the dog bother me beause I believe the neighbor is ignoring the suffering he is causing me by being loud, is happy while I am suffering. I think this sensitity has to do with my childhood experiences.
I am wondering if you see an Intent in the students making those sounds, it triggering a childhood experience of some sort?
anita
August 14, 2016 at 2:20 pm #112329Miniature BodhisattvaParticipantHey salseromario!
First off, bless you for being a teacher…it’s truly one of the most difficult and sadly thankless jobs out there. Some of the most influential people in my life were teachers, and some of my best friends are teachers, so I hold profession in high regard.
My friends who are teachers have all told me stories that are similar to yours…and it’s not just students who suffer from ADD. Kids talking, listening to music on their headphones that are so loud everyone can hear, playing games on their smartphones…in short just being rude and inconsiderate.
After talking to them about it, what really bothered them wasn’t the noise, distractions, or even the behavior, but the fact they felt helpless in doing anything about it and unsupported by parents/administrators.
So what I’m trying to say in my round about way (and Anita touched on this a bit) is maybe it isn’t the noise of the clicking pens, etc. but what they represent that’s making you lose your usual centeredness? Are you bitter that you can’t just ask the student to leave? Upset that you feel like you’re doing a poor job because you can’t concentrate? Do these kids remind you of someone you can’t stand? (You get the idea.)
In the meantime getting caught up on your rest is key. I know I snap at people when I’m hungry or tired! Take personal days if you have to.
I’d also check out resources for people that suffer from Misophonia – which is a medical condition of being super sensitive to noises. I have a relative that has the condition and he has been managing it for over two years now, but it did require a lot of life style changes. Don’t be afraid to discuss this with your doctor to see if you might have this.
Best of luck!
August 14, 2016 at 3:15 pm #112332SalseromarioParticipantAnita,
Your #1 below is totally off base, and backwards from what I wrote. The kid “is” the source of my anxiety; it “is” the kid who is driving me insane. I am certain of that, and it should be clear from above. I maintain a Buddha-like calm in classes that he is not in, and I wrote that, so no, “my current anxiety” is not what is causing me to be annoyed. I wrote that I have always been annoyed by these kids with repeated motions; this kid is simply off the charts.
I think your #2 is off base as well. As I wrote, these kids don’t even know what they are doing, so clearly they don’t have on conscience intent towards me or anyone else. Birds vs. human calling – neither one is a repetitive motion or noise. Kids such as those I refer to live in a bubble, and have incontrollable behavior, so I don’t think they are comparable to people who shout outside someone’s window, or who talk loudly on a cell phone around other people.
I will totally ignore you last question, based on everything before it being totally off from what I wrote/described.
(1. When I am already anxious everything sounds louder then when I am not anxious.
So I am thinking, now that you are in your highest anxiety, in trouble at work for exploding at students, sleeping so little, the sounds are likely to be even more bothersome. Do you think?
2. Some sounds bother me more than others because of the intent that I see in the making of the sound. For example nature sounds, birds, don’t bother me. On the other hand, a neighbor raising his voice playing with his kid or calling the dog bother me beause I believe the neighbor is ignoring the suffering he is causing me by being loud, is happy while I am suffering. I think this sensitity has to do with my childhood experiences.
I am wondering if you see an Intent in the students making those sounds, it triggering a childhood experience of some sort?)
August 14, 2016 at 8:47 pm #112352AnonymousGuestDear salseromario:
I will re-read your original post and your latest post first thing tomorrow (Monday) morning with a fresher brain. I would like to see if I can understand better what you are going through. I would like to try. Till tomorrow, take care-
anita
August 15, 2016 at 3:29 am #112390SalseromarioParticipantMB. Thanks for your thoughts. Of course teachers get frustrated about things that administration does or does not do, etc. However, that is not what is responsible for my irritation, and I am not talking about undesirable behavior in general, such as talking at the wrong time or using phones in class. I am talking very specifically about low frequency repeatedly movements or sounds. I am irritated in the same way if I see or hear the same type behavior on a train or in an airport lounge, and there is certainly no sense of “hopelessness” or “powerlessness” in those cases. I think I mentioned people who chew gum like human swine in my first post, and I should clarify that I do not even have to hear these people. They could be on the other side of a class window, or I could be using headphones, and not be able to stand looking at a person who is chewing gum like a pig, with their mouth opening between each chew. Fast moving objects, such as a fan, are not a problem. It is movements or sounds with lower repetition rate: pen twirling, gum chewing, or the ticking of a clock, for example.
Anyway, so far I feel that no one here is really completely identifying with the problem, although your suggestion of misophonia is realistic. That is the kind of thing I am suspecting, rather than these Freudian type analyses that are being thrown around. Nobody in my entire family or child hood, and no person in my 17 years of schooling was guilty of this type of behavior, so I basically reject such theories. I am also irritated when people spend too much time crackling potato chip bags, and that sort of noise in the classroom(students can eat in the classroom at my school). Anyway, as I keep saying, it is not only sounds but movement. Finally, as I already stated in my first post, the problem is worse if I have to be delivery a lecture or explaining something logical. If I am sitting at home on the sofa and someone digs around in a chip bag for a couple of minutes, it isn’t really a problem.
August 15, 2016 at 3:34 am #112391SalseromarioParticipantI just remembered something I found this week online, which does not really tell us much, other than that I may be “normal.” I found a blog/article about the 20 most annoying habits in the workplace, and low and behold, 2 of the 20 were “twirling pens” and “jittering legs” by co-workers while a person is making a presentation. To me, that is basically the same situation as I am in. However, it still leaves the question of why some of us cannot stand it, and for others it is not that big of a deal.
August 15, 2016 at 8:13 am #112397AnonymousGuestDear salseromario:
Repeated low-rate sound/motion (the trigger) enters your brain through your ears/eyes and as the information is processed and identified as repeated low-rate sound/motion, automatically it gets associated with anger. A neuropathway of anger sticks to the trigger like hair on soap.
It is the same process that takes place when some people see a spider (trigger). The sight enters their brain through their eyes, processed there and the instant the information is identified as a spider, a neuropathway of fear gets glued to the trigger … like hair on soap.
Whatever therapy is helpful to spider fearing people – could help you. I think one therapeutic approach is called Exposure Therapy. Something for you to examine with a professional, I hope.
anita
August 16, 2016 at 3:48 am #112468SalseromarioParticipantAnita,
I can for no support for your claims when researching Exposure Therapy. This therapy does not seem to be applicable to my problem. This therapy is for PTSD and phobias that induce anxiety.
August 16, 2016 at 5:36 am #112472Shae03ParticipantHey,
Couldn’t see if you had written the age group of the kids you teach.
Obviously the certain students who are making these noises and wriggling are doing it unintentionally.. Perhaps you could set up a system for them, give them brain breaks when they get to that point of restlessness, a couple of minutes away to refresh themselves so they can come back.
I work in the primary years and this really works for them.. Also, having fidgety objects for them, theres certain types of chairs you can get now specifically made for kids with ADD where they have little balls on the bottom of the legs, so the kids can move around to help them concentrate.
Hope this helped at all!August 16, 2016 at 7:06 am #112474AnonymousGuestDear salseromario:
I think you should take time off work, a long time off, a year off, at the least. And seek professional help during your time off. It is dangerous for you and for the kid/s that irritate you so intensely, that you continue to be in their presence.
You are a very angry man. I expect a third angry response from you, here on this thread, but I am risking that anger directed at me because I want to do my part, here, in suggesting you do take time off work, apply for disability, take a sabbatical, whatever can be done, but stop working and attend therapy.
I will not reply to your thread again. Best wishes for you.
anita
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